Recovery post dental

[Omi]

Sending lots of vibes for Daisy. I really hope you can get to the bottom of the problem together with some appropriate treatment.

 

[Bunny Magoo]

So the rabbit specialist couldn't really shed any light on things. Good news is her teeth look fine and did a full abdominal examination. He noticed a small amount of bloat and prescribed zantac and cisapride and said to keep on with the metacam.

Magoo is in good health and seems his disinterest in eating is the stress of it all and worrying about Daisy.

He hopes with the medication it will help her gut move more and encourage her to eat.

So just got to get them through this for now.


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[MightyMax]

So the rabbit specialist couldn't really shed any light on things. Good news is her teeth look fine and did a full abdominal examination. He noticed a small amount of bloat and prescribed zantac and cisapride and said to keep on with the metacam.

Magoo is in good health and seems his disinterest in eating is the stress of it all and worrying about Daisy.

He hopes with the medication it will help her gut move more and encourage her to eat.

So just got to get them through this for now.


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I'm glad her teeth look OK

I really hope you can get things to settle down between the two of them. It must be reassuring that nothing untoward was spotted at that consultation

 

[Bunny Magoo]

Reassuring in one way, but to think that the stress and trauma of the op and probably the vets trips could be the cause of their behaviour is so sad to think of and the fact there's nothing that can be done to help that either is worse. unfortunately there isn't a rabbit equivalent of camomile tea or such like that I know of!

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[MightyMax]

Reassuring in one way, but to think that the stress and trauma of the op and probably the vets trips could be the cause of their behaviour is so sad to think of and the fact there's nothing that can be done to help that either is worse. unfortunately there isn't a rabbit equivalent of camomile tea or such like that I know of!

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Yes I know. I thought that too

The equivalent of chamomile tea is just that - you can give it to them. Whether it would soothe them I'm not sure, but it's good for digestion and internal rumblings.

You'll have to rethink your strategy if Daisy needs repeat dentals more frequently perhaps?

 

[Bunny Magoo]

That's my major worry to be honest, as we can't put her and Magoo through this every 3 or 4 months if she requires regular dentals and as she's now seen 2 different vets - one who is ranked 11 in the country by the RWAF I don't know where we go from here...

Once she's back and eating ok I might have to reassess her diet and look at reducing her pellets and moving over to a hay only diet with the hope that she may eat more hay and thus not need dentals. But then I appreciate some bunnies are just dental bunnies.

I do my best I can from them that I can. They have oxbow timothy hay, timothy hay. Co.uk, meadow hay from a local farm, oat hay, readigrass and timothy readigrass. Herbs and veg in small quantities and egg cup of pellets each per day. Fresh water of course, lots of space and attention. Don't know what I'm doing wrong??!??

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[daphnephoebe]

I really don't think you are doing anything wrong.
You're an amazing bunny mum and incredibly dedicated to them.

Would you consider finding a vet who can do conscious dental treatment? Maybe if she can avoid a GA she could recover from it quicker?

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[RedFraggle]

Glad you have confidence in the vet, that's so important. Is there a chance they are picking up on your stress? We coined the phrase "a watched bunny never eats" like they say about pots boiling and try to be completely normal and relaxed when buns are poorly. Scarlet's husbun used to wait for her to eat too and did that for several years. He'd wait and only go to the food bowl when she did.
Scarlet never did eat much hay, if tooth roots are elongated it's just too painful.
Are you familiar with the pulpectomy procedure? That can work for some rabbits with ongoing problems with spurs.

 

[Bunny Magoo]

Thank you.

I'm worried a conscious dental would be just as traumatic (and stressful for her) as she hates being handled and she is a very nervous bunny who will only be stroked if Magoo is with her. The rabbit specialist today mentioned it and said he was very opposed to them, but I have heard there are vets that do them.

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[MightyMax]

That's my major worry to be honest, as we can't put her and Magoo through this every 3 or 4 months if she requires regular dentals and as she's now seen 2 different vets - one who is ranked 11 in the country by the RWAF I don't know where we go from here...

Once she's back and eating ok I might have to reassess her diet and look at reducing her pellets and moving over to a hay only diet with the hope that she may eat more hay and thus not need dentals. But then I appreciate some bunnies are just dental bunnies.

I do my best I can from them that I can. They have oxbow timothy hay, timothy hay. Co.uk, meadow hay from a local farm, oat hay, readigrass and timothy readigrass. Herbs and veg in small quantities and egg cup of pellets each per day. Fresh water of course, lots of space and attention. Don't know what I'm doing wrong??!??

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I think it's worth a trial of cutting out a lot of stuff to make room for lots of hay, readigrass and fresh grass. However, after a trial period of maybe 3 months, I would assess whether it's helped the teeth situation. You must also assess whether it's caused a weight loss in either of them too

Some bunnies' teeth just grow out of alignment and no amount of good feeding on your part will make a difference to that.

It does sound like Magoo picks up on Daisy's stress, and they of course will both pick up on yours. That won't be the cause of the whole problem, but it could make things worse when they've begun. But you are only being human!!

 

[Bunny Magoo]

Glad you have confidence in the vet, that's so important. Is there a chance they are picking up on your stress? We coined the phrase "a watched bunny never eats" like they say about pots boiling and try to be completely normal and relaxed when buns are poorly. Scarlet's husbun used to wait for her to eat too and did that for several years. He'd wait and only go to the food bowl when she did.
Scarlet never did eat much hay, if tooth roots are elongated it's just too painful.
Are you familiar with the pulpectomy procedure? That can work for some rabbits with ongoing problems with spurs.

Haven't heard of a pulpectomy...but a quick Google has brought me up to speed and back to this forum funnily enough!

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[Bunny Magoo]

RedFraggle and Mighty max - I did wonder if they're picking up on my stress too, I suffer with anxiety anyway so this has pushed me to the limit and not getting any answers hasn't helped. I'm trying to stay calm around them and let them get on with things. They're currently in their room so I'm giving them time to calm down from the vets visit rather than encouraging them to join me in the living room...can't hear any nibbling though!

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[MightyMax]

RedFraggle and Mighty max - I did wonder if they're picking up on my stress too, I suffer with anxiety anyway so this has pushed me to the limit and not getting any answers hasn't helped. I'm trying to stay calm around them and let them get on with things. They're currently in their room so I'm giving them time to calm down from the vets visit rather than encouraging them to join me in the living room...can't hear any nibbling though!

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It's a balance, isn't it, between being overly worried about them, and not concerned enough to spot changes in behaviour and eating patterns. I sometimes keep a watchful eye from a distance and don't let my own thoughts intrude. That gives me some perspective on what's going on with these mysterious little creatures

 

[RedFraggle]

I agree MM, and "leaving them to get on with it" is the hardest thing in the world. My husband has aspergers and would be very worried and anxious and I know Scarlet would pick up on it.
We put a spyhole in the shed door fitted for looking in so we could spy without Scarlet knowing. You could do that on the door to their room so you can look in without opening the door. We angled it down in the shed door and could see really well.

 

[MightyMax]

I agree MM, and "leaving them to get on with it" is the hardest thing in the world. My husband has aspergers and would be very worried and anxious and I know Scarlet would pick up on it.
We put a spyhole in the shed door fitted for looking in so we could spy with Scarlet knowing. You could do that on the door to their room so you can look in without opening the door. We angled it down in the shed door and could see really well.

That's a really good idea

My bunnies are indoors, so I have to casually walk past whichever room they are in and pretend not to be looking. When your back is turned they very often begin scoffing.

I'm sorry to hear about your husband. Rabbits seem to 'hold their breath' sometimes when we look at them with consternation x

 

[RedFraggle]

It was really really useful on many occasion. Particularly with such a madamy rabbit who was always suspicious! We could see the whole shed.

 

[Bunny Magoo]

So we reached the 9 day post op mark yesterday and finally saw some real progress (same time period as last dental recovery ). Some pellets and hay eaten before I went to bed last night, overnight a reasonable amount of poo produced and hay eaten. This morning we had excitement from both at pellet time!

I'm starting to wonder if it is the trauma/anxiety/stress of the vets and surgery. Daisy came from a rescue where it was believed she'd been mistreated previously and heavily used for breeding. She is very nervous by nature do I am wondering if her sad background has had lasting effects.

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[Omi]

So we reached the 9 day post op mark yesterday and finally saw some real progress (same time period as last dental recovery ). Some pellets and hay eaten before I went to bed last night, overnight a reasonable amount of poo produced and hay eaten. This morning we had excitement from both at pellet time!

I'm starting to wonder if it is the trauma/anxiety/stress of the vets and surgery. Daisy came from a rescue where it was believed she'd been mistreated previously and heavily used for breeding. She is very nervous by nature do I am wondering if her sad background has had lasting effects.

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Poor Daisy I'm really pleased that she has started to pick up though. I bet Magoo's pleased too.

 

[MightyMax]

So we reached the 9 day post op mark yesterday and finally saw some real progress (same time period as last dental recovery ). Some pellets and hay eaten before I went to bed last night, overnight a reasonable amount of poo produced and hay eaten. This morning we had excitement from both at pellet time!

I'm starting to wonder if it is the trauma/anxiety/stress of the vets and surgery. Daisy came from a rescue where it was believed she'd been mistreated previously and heavily used for breeding. She is very nervous by nature do I am wondering if her sad background has had lasting effects.

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Sometimes it's the physiological make up of the rabbit which means they react less well to anaesthetic. In my long experience of hundreds of rescue rabbits, I feel this is more likely than the traumatic effects of her previous life.

As I mentioned earlier, I guess you'll have to devise a way forward for you both, knowing as you do the length of her recovery period. It must be really draining ..

 

[Bunny Magoo]

Sometimes it's the physiological make up of the rabbit which means they react less well to anaesthetic. In my long experience of hundreds of rescue rabbits, I feel this is more likely than the traumatic effects of her previous life.

As I mentioned earlier, I guess you'll have to devise a way forward for you both, knowing as you do the length of her recovery period. It must be really draining ..

Very draining and so unfair on both Daisy and Magoo. Think I'll look into reducing her pellets to try and encourage the hay eating in the hope this will prevent her needing future dentals...but she might just be a dental bunny in which case I just don't know what we'll do.

The only thing I haven't tried is fresh grass which I know I'll have to introduce it slowly.

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