Recovery post dental

[Bunny Magoo]

Ok so I'll try and keep this brief. Daisy (mini lop) had her second dental on Friday (for small spurs ). She is only now managing very small amounts of hay/readigrass/plantain. Other than that we've been ticking her over with rabbit recovery (syringing this has been a mission in itself ) however today she has been putting up a huge battle being fed - leaping, digging, biting, she is clearly very stressed with it all as then starts grinding her teeth and doing anything to get away.

I know each bunny's recovery time varies however I'm sure she should be eating by herself by now. Her previous dental (which was much more invasive) was 4 months ago and her recovery was just as bad then and she ended up being admitted several days post op and was put on a drip.

Now her recovery has been bad again I am very worried about the future. Could it be possible that her body does not react well to the anaesthetic?

If this was the case I would've thought it would have been other symptoms she would have shown.

Magoo has been very stressed by it all too and not been eating as much hay as usual. He is very protective of Daisy and very sensitive to how she feels...as I've been writing this message Daisy happy flopped, immediately after so did he!

Back at the vets tomor but wanted to see what people's thoughts on it was?

 

[MightyMax]

Ok so I'll try and keep this brief. Daisy (mini lop) had her second dental on Friday (for small spurs ). She is only now managing very small amounts of hay/readigrass/plantain. Other than that we've been ticking her over with rabbit recovery (syringing this has been a mission in itself ) however today she has been putting up a huge battle being fed - leaping, digging, biting, she is clearly very stressed with it all as then starts grinding her teeth and doing anything to get away.

I know each bunny's recovery time varies however I'm sure she should be eating by herself by now. Her previous dental (which was much more invasive) was 4 months ago and her recovery was just as bad then and she ended up being admitted several days post op and was put on a drip.

Now her recovery has been bad again I am very worried about the future. Could it be possible that her body does not react well to the anaesthetic?

If this was the case I would've thought it would have been other symptoms she would have shown.

Magoo has been very stressed by it all too and not been eating as much hay as usual. He is very protective of Daisy and very sensitive to how she feels...as I've been writing this message Daisy happy flopped, immediately after so did he!

Back at the vets tomor but wanted to see what people's thoughts on it was?

I'm sorry to hear about Daisy .


It could possibly be a combination of things. Yes, the anaesthetic doesn't help recovery, nor does what was possibly a sore mouth post dental. However, I should have expected a greater recovery by four days after a dental, even involving an anaesthetic.

Your vet will need to examine her mouth and see whether he's perhaps 'nicked' her cheek or gums whilst doing the dental. This can cause ongoing pain and also perhaps infection.

Does she have dentals on average every four months? Repeated anaesthetics have the potential to very much weaken a rabbit's immune system.

 

[Bunny Magoo]

Previous dental saga

http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/showthread.php?p=6767057

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[MightyMax]

Previous dental saga

http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/showthread.php?p=6767057

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Really sorry but I'm at work and only just sneaking a peek at the Forum when I can, so I won't be able to digest the whole of the old thread

 

[RedFraggle]

Is she on pain relief? If so how much and what does she weigh?

 

[RedFraggle]

Other thing is how are you holding her to syringe feed? I had the vet nurses show me and they wrapped them in a towel (bunny burrito) and held my rabbit high up on their chest to one side, like you might carry a small dog, and syringe using a 50ml syringe. They also add a spoonful of fruit and oat type powdered baby food. It sweetens it and makes it go through the syringe easier. Our rabbit would also eat recovery food from a shallow dish and you could also try soaking her nuggets.

 

[MightyMax]

Other thing is how are you holding her to syringe feed? I had the vet nurses show me and they wrapped them in a towel (bunny burrito) and held my rabbit high up on their chest to one side, like you might carry a small dog, and syringe using a 50ml syringe. They also add a spoonful of fruit and oat type powdered baby food. It sweetens it and makes it go through the syringe easier. Our rabbit would also eat recovery food from a shallow dish and you could also try soaking her nuggets.

A 50ml syringe? Wow that's absolutely whopping :shock:

I've not managed to feed more than 40 ml at one sitting and I did it with a one ml syringe

 

[Bunny Magoo]

Unfortunately her usual vet was off last week, but seeing the regular one tomor.

We've had Daisy approx 15 months. Her first dental was in May this year. Then last week she started refusing her pellets and was finding caetotrophs, so signals of needing a dental. At this stage I thought it might become a regular thing. Long term I'm very worried now about her teeth, dentals, anaesthetics etc!

She's managed a small amount of hay,plantain, romaine lettuce and approx 30 pellets this evening, plus a small amount of water.

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[Bunny Magoo]

A 50ml syringe? Wow that's absolutely whopping :shock:

I've not managed to feed more than 40 ml at one sitting and I did it with a one ml syringe

We had the nack of feeding her until today. Either by my husband holding her with her back legs tucked under his arm nd holding her head with the other or similar kind of technique but with her on the futon (so she feels safer as her feet are down) . She certainly has had some strength today and when you put your hand anywhere near her head she was biting! Bunny burrito impossible!

Had been using the one ml syringes, slow but has kept her going!

0.3ml metacam twice a day. She weighs 1.75kg

I'm sorry to hear about Daisy .


It could possibly be a combination of things. Yes, the anaesthetic doesn't help recovery, nor does what was possibly a sore mouth post dental. However, I should have expected a greater recovery by four days after a dental, even involving an anaesthetic.

Your vet will need to examine her mouth and see whether he's perhaps 'nicked' her cheek or gums whilst doing the dental. This can cause ongoing pain and also perhaps infection.

Does she have dentals on average every four months? Repeated anaesthetics have the potential to very much weaken a rabbit's immune system.

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[MightyMax]

Unfortunately her usual vet was off last week, but seeing the regular one tomor.

We've had Daisy approx 15 months. Her first dental was in May this year. Then last week she started refusing her pellets and was finding caetotrophs, so signals of needing a dental. At this stage I thought it might become a regular thing. Long term I'm very worried now about her teeth, dentals, anaesthetics etc!

She's managed a small amount of hay,plantain, romaine lettuce and approx 30 pellets this evening, plus a small amount of water.

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That sounds like a good/appropriate dose of Metacam, Bunny Magoo

I think the vet has to check inside her mouth for sores etc before you can come to any conclusion as to why she's not eating this time.

Yes, you should think about how you wish dentals to proceed with her. Someone here contacted me because their rabbit was having anaesthetics regularly for dentals and it was becoming too much for her.

There again, there are folk dead set against a rabbit having a dental *without* an anaesthetic, so it's definitely something worth thinking about and talking through with your vet

Good luck xx

 

[RedFraggle]

A 50ml syringe? Wow that's absolutely whopping :shock:

I've not managed to feed more than 40 ml at one sitting and I did it with a one ml syringe

For ease of syringing not volume. The nozzle is bigger so doesn't clog and you don't have to keep refilling so it's much easier. Using is the key word MM! Lol

 

[RedFraggle]

Sounds like she's picking up which is good. It can take them a few days to recover each time. I'm totally against conscious dentals based on the restraint and equipment required to get into the back of a rabbits mouth. It's a controversial topic.
Our dental bun had 16 anaesthetics in the 5 years we had her and who knows how many prior to that and was 9 when we lost her so it can be done. She would typically take 1 to 5 days to eat afterwards depending on the dental.
As the problem is spurs hopefully if you can up her hay eating she can keep them at bay.

 

[Jack's-Jane]

Sounds like she's picking up which is good. It can take them a few days to recover each time. I'm totally against conscious dentals based on the restraint and equipment required to get into the back of a rabbits mouth. It's a controversial topic.
Our dental bun had 16 anaesthetics in the 5 years we had her and who knows how many prior to that and was 9 when we lost her so it can be done. She would typically take 1 to 5 days to eat afterwards depending on the dental.
As the problem is spurs hopefully if you can up her hay eating she can keep them at bay.

As well as RF's great advice just to add that it can help recovery if the Rabbit is given supportive fluid therapy after the GA. Perhaps check with the Vet that this is done as a matter of routine. It is likely to be detailed on your invoice so you could check that x

 

[MightyMax]

Sounds like she's picking up which is good. It can take them a few days to recover each time. I'm totally against conscious dentals based on the restraint and equipment required to get into the back of a rabbits mouth. It's a controversial topic.
Our dental bun had 16 anaesthetics in the 5 years we had her and who knows how many prior to that and was 9 when we lost her so it can be done. She would typically take 1 to 5 days to eat afterwards depending on the dental.
As the problem is spurs hopefully if you can up her hay eating she can keep them at bay.

Yes I appreciate it's a divisive topic and you'd rather risk a potentially lethal GA than have your rabbit examined and treated consciously. But I do get asked on a regular basis for vets who do conscious dentals from people who don't want the risk of repeated anaesthetics, so I guess there's many who are prepared to accept that option.

Hay eating/readigrass etc can help enormously to delay the need for dentals *in some cases*.

Good luck Bunny Magoo. How is she doing this morning?

 

[RedFraggle]

Yes I appreciate it's a divisive topic and you'd rather risk a potentially lethal GA than have your rabbit examined and treated consciously. But I do get asked on a regular basis for vets who do conscious dentals from people who don't want the risk of repeated anaesthetics, so I guess there's many who are prepared to accept that option.

Hay eating/readigrass etc can help enormously to delay the need for dentals *in some cases*.

Good luck Bunny Magoo. How is she doing this morning?

I think that's a bit harsh MM and insensitive given you know Scarlet was PTS last week. Any GA is potentially lethal, surgery in any species human included is but to suggest I put her at risk unnecessarily because I don't agree with your opinion is taking it too far.

 

[MightyMax]

I think that's a bit harsh MM and insensitive given you know Scarlet was PTS last week. Any GA is potentially lethal, surgery in any species human included but to suggest I put her at risk unnecessarily because I don't agree with your opinion is taking it too far.

I was not referring to Scarlet when I posted your opinions on the matter - it's a matter of fact as relating to the division of opinions. Anyone who knows me knows I would never be unkind and uncompassionate.

I was simply stating, as you have, that any GA is potentially lethal. I never suggested you put Scarlet at risk at all. I'm afraid you've read into my post something that was never there

 

[Jack's-Jane]

I think that's a bit harsh MM and insensitive given you know Scarlet was PTS last week. Any GA is potentially lethal, surgery in any species human included is but to suggest I put her at risk unnecessarily because I don't agree with your opinion is taking it too far.

You, FHB and the other Vets who treated Scarlet did what was right for her. What anyone else may or may not think is irrelevant

(((((((((((hugs)))))))))))))

 

[RedFraggle]

I was not referring to Scarlet when I posted your opinions on the matter - it's a matter of fact as relating to the division of opinions. Anyone who knows me knows I would never be unkind and uncompassionate.

I was simply stating, as you have, that any GA is potentially lethal. I never suggested you put Scarlet at risk at all. I'm afraid you've read into my post something that was never there

You quoted me and said "you'd rather" so it was very obviously directed at me. I suggest you don't quote posts and use "you'd" if that is the case and you don't intend to aim comments at people.

 

[MightyMax]

You quoted me and said "you'd rather" so it was very obviously directed at me. I suggest you don't quote posts and use "you'd" if that is the case and you don't intend to aim comments at people.

It is your own stated opinion that I quoted.

It was unconnected with Scarlet being pts.

As I said in my PM to you, I don't wish you to be upset and won't continue this discussion further RF

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[Bunny Magoo]

Took them to the vets this morning and they admitted them both so they could monitor Daisy during the day and administer rabbit recovery should she need it. They called my husband earlier and said she has been eating a little hay but they want to keep them over night so they can monitor.

They both hate the vets but we're taking down some of their home comforts to hopefully make them a bit more comfortable.

Magoo is so sensitive though when he went away to be bonded with Daisy he initially refused to eat! Who thought a bunny could get home sick.

Hopefully the vet will be able to advise on the way forward from here. Daisy is normally a good hay eater, they have about 4 different types and readigrass so don't know what else I can do to encourage her to eat more of it.

Do you think it's possible that rabbits can have too much space and therefore get distracted and not eat as much? They have their own room, which is a reasonable sized double bedroom and in the evenings have run of the hallway and lounge too. We keep hay in both rooms but am wondering if there's too many distractions from the hay...

At her last dental they did an xray so will see if I can get a copy and possibly see if there's a rabbit dental specialist who can shed any light on it. I wonder if her teeth are growing at an awkward angle or something...I'm just baffled as for the first year we had her she didn't need a dental!



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