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Oh no....no.....no.....no.....no.....no........they are just the giddy limit, they are ABSOLUTELY SUBLIMELY GORRRRGEOUS......wouldn't a choccie roan be just lovely to go with my solid black and blue roan, and then perhaps I could add an orange roan.......aaaaaaah! if only......Lind, they are stunning!!! I just adore cockers! :wink: