Jack's-Jane
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Serious Problem! U/D 22nd August / Coccidiosis Confirmed!!!!!
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March Hare
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A lot of that kind of did a 'fly-by' with me, too!
Jack's-Jane
Wise Old Thumper
No, no not at all. But I am wondering if its EB as opposed to EC that is causing the gut problems in Rabbits? As the treatment protocol appears to be the same (Fenbendazole) I am just 'thinking out loud'. After all EC is ENCEPHALITIzoon Cuniculli implying the Brain/CNS is affected. EB is ENTEROCYTOZOON BIENEUSI implying the GI tract is affected
:? :?
Janex
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There seem to be SO many different symptoms of it.....which appear or fail to appear in SO many different combinations! I am hoping SO hard that that isn't what this is!!!
I am hoping SO hard that that isn't what this is!!! There seem to be SO many different symptoms of it.....which appear or fail to appear in SO many different combinations!
Compared with the alternatives I am actually hoping it is EC
Most diseases mutate and evolve so i imagine there is or will eventually be a variety of strains :?
Come on little bunsters X
Whose are the sick adults Louise? Its not the REW boys is it?
Jack's-Jane
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Well whatever has caused the outbreak I am sending stay strong vibes to Louise and healing vibes to the poorly Bunnies
Janex
Janex
I wouldn't rule it out completely, it was the first thing that crossed my mind. Because coccidiosis can affect the liver, it can cause neurological symptoms through 'blood poisoning' as it were. The intestinal cause is apparently quite common in young kits, especially ones who have been through some kind of stress like recent travel.
(Edit: yes read this - it does talk about neurological symptoms and secondary infections in the nervous system) http://www.medirabbit.com/EN/GI_diseases/Protozoal_diseases/coccidiosis_general.PDF
Unfortunately standard disinfectants don't kill the cysts, so if I were you I would try and find out what chemicals are able to kill the cysts (I think boiling water does, but probably not great for your carpets!) and use that as a preventative measure in any event - might as well take a belt & braces approach to trying to stop whatever it is from spreading.
Hope all the other bunnies are ok
Jack's-Jane
Wise Old Thumper
I wouldn't rule it out completely, it was the first thing that crossed my mind. Because coccidiosis can affect the liver, it can cause neurological symptoms through 'blood poisoning' as it were. The intestinal cause is apparently quite common in young kits, especially ones who have been through some kind of stress like recent travel.
(Edit: yes read this - it does talk about neurological symptoms and secondary infections in the nervous system) http://www.medirabbit.com/EN/GI_diseases/Protozoal_diseases/coccidiosis_general.PDF
Unfortunately standard disinfectants don't kill the cysts, so if I were you I would try and find out what chemicals are able to kill the cysts (I think boiling water does, but probably not great for your carpets!) and use that as a preventative measure in any event - might as well take a belt & braces approach to trying to stop whatever it is from spreading.
Hope all the other bunnies are ok
I agree Alison. I dont think Coccidiosis can be ruled out without a PM on the deceased Buns
Janex
You know what this reminds me of? When Phill lost so many rabbits a couple of years back - there was a link to grass sickness, or botulism. Some people think grass sickness isn't caused by botulins, but the thing that does carry botulin toxins is birds faeces. What is used as fertiliser for our veggies often? Guano? I certainly wash a lot of white stuff of my greens. Botulins are also found in badly preserved foodstuffs that's been exposed to birds - Do we really know what's in rabbit pellets? One pellet might be clean and another might have dirt in it. Grass sickness frequently occurs when an animal is stressed after a move too.
Stralachlan
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serious problem u/d vet just gone
louise, im so so sorry for what you are going through im so sorry this has happened i was unaware that travelling bunnies so far would end up with whats happened these babies were not hand reared they were with me for 4 weeks and they had left the nest when i rescued them they were still with mum up untill 10 days before they came to you, my vets advised to take mum away because she was a bag of bones and the babies were draining her i just wish i could shed more light on why they havnt survived if they,d of bn poorly with me i wouldnt of sent them,
im just so sorry !!!!
& for anyone who thinks this is my fault i was in regular contact with ellepotter last week on these babies i have not just dumped them and left her to it ive also said to louise ill cover vet bills i know all to well what its like to take bunnies and then be left with a huge bill at the end of it, i hav,nt started this to start bad feeling im just sick of people slating me when im struggling to try and do a good job like everyone else
louise, im so so sorry for what you are going through im so sorry this has happened i was unaware that travelling bunnies so far would end up with whats happened these babies were not hand reared they were with me for 4 weeks and they had left the nest when i rescued them they were still with mum up untill 10 days before they came to you, my vets advised to take mum away because she was a bag of bones and the babies were draining her i just wish i could shed more light on why they havnt survived if they,d of bn poorly with me i wouldnt of sent them,
im just so sorry !!!!
& for anyone who thinks this is my fault i was in regular contact with ellepotter last week on these babies i have not just dumped them and left her to it ive also said to louise ill cover vet bills i know all to well what its like to take bunnies and then be left with a huge bill at the end of it, i hav,nt started this to start bad feeling im just sick of people slating me when im struggling to try and do a good job like everyone else
louise, im so so sorry for what you are going through im so sorry this has happened i was unaware that travelling bunnies so far would end up with whats happened these babies were not hand reared they were with me for 4 weeks and they had left the nest when i rescued them they were still with mum up untill 10 days before they came to you, my vets advised to take mum away because she was a bag of bones and the babies were draining her i just wish i could shed more light on why they havnt survived if they,d of bn poorly with me i wouldnt of sent them,
im just so sorry !!!!
& for anyone who thinks this is my fault i was in regular contact with ellepotter last week on these babies i have not just dumped them and left her to it ive also said to louise ill cover vet bills i know all to well what its like to take bunnies and then be left with a huge bill at the end of it, i hav,nt started this to start bad feeling im just sick of people slating me when im struggling to try and do a good job like everyone else
I never thought for a minute it was your fault - it's just bunnies being delicate like they are - only the other week Cheryl from Sprowston was having the same problem with babies just dying. When they've had a poor start in life with a weak mother it must make them weak too in many ways.
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