Rosie Snoring - video with sound - snoring or not ??

[nickybunny1]

Hope this link works but just after taking this video of Rosie's snoring. It is quite loud. When I posted the video 2 weeks ago it she wasn't make this noise anywhere near as much. So is this snoring or respiratory do u think. She has had her 3rd dose of septrin and bisovlon but to be honest now I actually don't think there is any change yet. Think I was imagining it


https://youtu.be/MtoTnFzMUBo

 

[Jack's-Jane]

Hope this link works but just after taking this video of Rosie's snoring. It is quite loud. When I posted the video 2 weeks ago it she wasn't make this noise anywhere near as much. So is this snoring or respiratory do u think. She has had her 3rd dose of septrin and bisovlon but to be honest now I actually don't think there is any change yet. Think I was imagining it


https://youtu.be/MtoTnFzMUBo

It is more of a respiratory 'whistle' than a snore. She also has some very slight nasal flaring and increased respiratory effort. All these can occur if there is some sort of problem in the chest cavity. 'Whistle' sounds can also occur if there is some tracheitis (inflammation of the trachea).

Rosie is also listing to her right in her sleep, is this something new ?

Aswell as her Septrin and Bisolvon is she also on a non steroidal anti-inflammatory eg Metacam ? If there is inflammation in the respiratory tract then an NSAID may help.

 

[nickybunny1]

Morning Jane. Thank u soo much for looking at the video . I had myself in such a state last night worrying about her. The listing does appear to be a new thing but I am not sure if it's just a one off so will monitor that to see. No she isn't on any metacam. I will give her some this morning to see if that helps. I am also waiting on the echinacia to arrive. If things don't improve would u be inclined to change antibiotics after her 16 day course or proceed to xray?? Jane how bad does she sound ?? Would infection cause imflamation of trachea? ? She was whistling most of the night. She is still in good form in all other aspects.

 

[Jack's-Jane]

Morning Jane. Thank u soo much for looking at the video . I had myself in such a state last night worrying about her. The listing does appear to be a new thing but I am not sure if it's just a one off so will monitor that to see. No she isn't on any metacam. I will give her some this morning to see if that helps. I am also waiting on the echinacia to arrive. If things don't improve would u be inclined to change antibiotics after her 16 day course or proceed to xray?? Jane how bad does she sound ?? Would infection cause imflamation of trachea? ? She was whistling most of the night. She is still in good form in all other aspects.

Do call the Vet before administering Metacam if he/she has not actually prescribed it at the moment. It is a Prescription only medication which can only be given under Veterinary supervision.

Personally I would want Xrays done whilst Rosie remained well within herself. Endoscopic examination of her trachea may also be an option, but your Vet may need to refer you to a Specialist for that. Yes, infection can cause inflammation in the trachea.

If there were no real improvement after this course of abx I would want the diagnostics done then. But as I said, that is just my personal and unqualified opinion

 

[nickybunny1]

Thanks Jane. Will ring vet about metacam. Hopefully she will improve. Thank u sooo much again for ur advice xxx

 

[Zoobec]

Sending lots of vibes for Rosie xx

 

[MightyMax]

Hope this link works but just after taking this video of Rosie's snoring. It is quite loud. When I posted the video 2 weeks ago it she wasn't make this noise anywhere near as much. So is this snoring or respiratory do u think. She has had her 3rd dose of septrin and bisovlon but to be honest now I actually don't think there is any change yet. Think I was imagining it


https://youtu.be/MtoTnFzMUBo

Hi Nicky

Just managed to see this video of your dear Rosie snoring.

To me (living with a snoring bun!) it sounds quite loud and laboured. However, the fact that you describe her being so well within herself at other times is an incredibly good sign. From my experience, I would say that there is *definitely* something respiratory going on and I would think eventually you will find an antibiotic to address the issue.

The bisolven will also help. Are you able to nebulise her?

I had the discussion about my snoring bun when he had a GA recently. We didn't do an X-ray as my vet wasn't convinced it would show up anything useful. So long as Rosie will do well under GA (your vet will advise) then it may well throw up some new information.

I personally wouldn't give Metacam, but again, that's because in a similar case to Rosie's, the vet said it wasn't appropriate.

 

[nickybunny1]

Hi Mighty Max . I am just after giving her some metacam as I spoke to vet and she said it was ok as I had heard a tiny bit of tooth grinding also but I wanted to try I case there is imflamation as well.. I have also today noticed some discharge from both nostrils. She is just a little wet under her nose. I think it's clear but hard to tell. Does this confirm more an infection do u think?? Nebulise her ?? Does the vet supply a nebuliser or do I have to buy it ??

 

[nickybunny1]

Vet has ordered in zirthromax as the next but I know others say not to try this or should I if septrin doesn't work ? What other antibiotic could I try ? I am glad that u think its respiratory as I have all sorts going on in my head for what it could be.

 

[MightyMax]

Hi Mighty Max . I am just after giving her some metacam as I spoke to vet and she said it was ok as I had heard a tiny bit of tooth grinding also but I wanted to try I case there is imflamation as well.. I have also today noticed some discharge from both nostrils. She is just a little wet under her nose. I think it's clear but hard to tell. Does this confirm more an infection do u think?? Nebulise her ?? Does the vet supply a nebuliser or do I have to buy it ??

You would have to buy it. Or borrow it from someone local?

I got an Omron nebuliser from a chemist a few years ago. It does help penetrate the mucous membranes.

Hugo's There started a nebuliser thread recently:

http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/showthread.php?444210-Best-nebuliser&highlight=nebuliser

I used mine when one of my fosters had pneumonia a few years ago and it helped enormously with his breathing. Keeping well hydrated is also a good thing - drinking and wet veg, etc

 

[Jack's-Jane]

Hi Mighty Max . I am just after giving her some metacam as I spoke to vet and she said it was ok as I had heard a tiny bit of tooth grinding also but I wanted to try I case there is imflamation as well.. I have also today noticed some discharge from both nostrils. She is just a little wet under her nose. I think it's clear but hard to tell. Does this confirm more an infection do u think?? Nebulise her ?? Does the vet supply a nebuliser or do I have to buy it ??

I'm glad the Vet agreed that a trial of Metacam is appropriate, I hope it helps.

Nasal discharge can occur in both respiratory tract infections and also any other condition effecting lung function. It may be that the bisolvon is starting to loosen things up.

Your Vet may be able to lend you a portable nebuliser, but most people tend to buy one. I have this one:

http://www.medisave.co.uk/omron-compair-ne-c28p-nebuliser.html

 

[MightyMax]

Vet has ordered in zirthromax as the next but I know others say not to try this or should I if septrin doesn't work ? What other antibiotic could I try ? I am glad that u think its respiratory as I have all sorts going on in my head for what it could be.

There are the injectable penicillins or tetracyclines. There are more alternatives! I'm glad your vet has decided the Metacam is a good move. As I said, my vets decided it wouldn't be in my bunny's best interests but each one is different

It looks like you are keeping Rosie really well and happy. Now all you need is to stop worrying quite so much. Easier said than done, I know, but you really are doing your very best :wave:

 

[Tracy]

There's a drug called Corvental which helps to open up the airways to make breathing easier. My Wallace was prescribed this (on the advice of Molly Varga) when he had lower respiratory issues. It might not be appropriate for Rosie, but worth asking your vet about just in case it would help her.

I hope you manage to get her problems under control. xx

 

[Jack's-Jane]

There's a drug called Corvental which helps to open up the airways to make breathing easier. My Wallace was prescribed this (on the advice of Molly Varga) when he had lower respiratory issues. It might not be appropriate for Rosie, but worth asking your vet about just in case it would help her.

I hope you manage to get her problems under control. xx

Yes, a few of my Rabbits with LRTIs have been prescribed Corvental after a confirmed (by chest Xray) diagnosis of where the actual problem was located xx

 

[MightyMax]

Nicky - there's some interesting reading on Corvental if you're thinking of asking your vet for it :thumb:

http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/s...te-on-Alice-28-6-no-more-suffering-She-s-gone

 

[nickybunny1]

Have been reading up on the corvental. Sounds good. My vet not in til Tuesday so will ask her then. Rosie still the sMe today. Has been snoring / whistling for a few hours now while she sleeps so it's a constant sleep thing now. So mighty Max and Jane do u both think not to try zirthromax at all ?? Rosie was on depocillian for her abscess for 3-4 months a year and half ago with no problems. Would it be best to try that first or would she have built resistance to it after having been on it before??

 

[Jack's-Jane]

Have been reading up on the corvental. Sounds good. My vet not in til Tuesday so will ask her then. Rosie still the sMe today. Has been snoring / whistling for a few hours now while she sleeps so it's a constant sleep thing now. So mighty Max and Jane do u both think not to try zirthromax at all ?? Rosie was on depocillian for her abscess for 3-4 months a year and half ago with no problems. Would it be best to try that first or would she have built resistance to it after having been on it before??

As I mentioned previously, before going down the 'more abx' root I'd want diagnostics run to try to identify what is actually going on. If she keeps having one type of abx after another when there is not even a confirmed bacterial infection involved it could cause more problems in the longterm, including abx resistance. Also, any decision to use the higher risk abx (eg Zithromax/Penicillins) should not be taken lightly and personally I would not want to go down that route without some indication that it is a bacterial issue and not something else.

Where was Rosie's abscess ? Was it a jaw abscess ?

 

[nickybunny1]

I see Jane I understand now. I was just trying to get the right order of things to do. I know I could be trying to treat an infection and it might not be one. Yes it was in her jaw. I guess after 16 day septrin and on the corvental if I get that it will be X-ray first. I am sorry for torturing u guys it's just her breathing whilst sleeping is really distressing me even tho she looks quite comfortable.

 

[Jack's-Jane]

I see Jane I understand now. I was just trying to get the right order of things to do. I know I could be trying to treat an infection and it might not be one. Yes it was in her jaw. I guess after 16 day septrin and on the corvental if I get that it will be X-ray first. I am sorry for torturing u guys it's just her breathing whilst sleeping is really distressing me even tho she looks quite comfortable.

I completely understand. It is very stressful when we do not know exactly what is going on, but we fear that something is. No matter how much we try not to worry we always do. Thankfully Rosie will be oblivious to it all as she still seems to be fine within herself xx

 

[nickybunny1]

Thanks Jane . I will settle and stop posting unless there is a change or treatment change.