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New Bun Snuffles?

Albybun

New Kit
Hi there.

I picked up my new house bunny, Alby the Mini Lop, last Sunday. I had my previous house rabbits for 8 years (unfortunately, I lost Liquorice back in July) so I have experience in caring for rabbits & getting to know their behaviour. Liquorice was very poorly when we first got her and I had to spend some months syringe feeding her back to health, so I’ve also had experience recognising & caring for poorly buns!

Alby seems happy enough in himself (plenty of bunny flops, exploring & binkies!) but the more the days have gone on, the more concerned I’ve become about a few things.

The first thing I noticed was his dirty nose. At first, I thought perhaps it’s just the green hay staining his white fur, but when I felt it, it’s more of a crusty consistency, which leads me to believe it’s some sort of nasal discharge. I checked his eyes too, which visibly appear to be fine, but again I felt that crusty substance in the corners.

Then, and perhaps the most worrying, is the snoring/wheezing when he sleeps. I’ve never heard a bunny snore & I wasn’t even aware if they did! It just seems to be when he’s sleeping but it sounds to me like he’s having trouble breathing.

Now over the last day or two, I’ve noticed he’s sneezing and also grooming a lot, as though he’s itchy & irritated. It even seems that some of his fur has come off his ear where he’s scratching so much! :(

He still appears okay in himself, and eating/pooping normally for now. But something doesn’t sit right with me. I took him to the vet for his triple vaccine on Wednesday and explained my concerns to her then. She checked him over and reassured me his heart/lungs sound fine & she has no health concerns! But I’m not sure.

I’ve researched and I think he may have snuffles. I think I should book him in for another vet visit & get him checked over again, but I just wanted some advice as I have no experience dealing with this. People have told me I’m over-worrying and perhaps the snoring etc. Is just his own little quirk, but I’m not convinced. I’m beside myself with worry & guilt, questioning if maybe it’s something I’m doing wrong that’s causing these symptoms?!

* Update 15/12/20 *

Took Alby to the vets this morning. Suggested it was an upper respiratory infection & prescribed a course of antibiotics. I have to feed them to him in a syringe 2x daily (which is proving a challenging task!). Hopefully his symptoms start to clear up soon. Still very concerned, as I can tell he has periods where he is struggling with his breathing - this evening he almost looked like a cat coughing up a fur ball (almost like retching or a seizure with spams in his rear end, although could have been hiccups which he seems very prone to causing movement in his whole body). :( Vet assured me his lungs sounded fine, and he has gained weight since taking him for his vaccine last week.
 
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Hello and welcome. I’m sorry to read of you bunny Alby’s snuffle worry. I would say always trust your gut - it’s always a good indicator and there are reasons why we have a ‘6th sense’ or gut feeling.
I’m wondering (and I might not be alone with this thought) that perhaps it might be dental related?
I’m sure Jane (inspector morse) will pop on your thread later but she is incredibly knowledgable about these things.
Crusty dischargy nose just sends too many alarm bells for me. The fact your vet has checked upper respiratory is good. The fact it’s clear is a great positive. So I would consider asking your vet to check teeth - possibly even a head xray as teeth can intrude into the nasal cavity.
The fact Alby is pooping and weeing is also positive. I have a bunny that snores - it’s quite the thing. And I’m sure other owners have snoring bunnies.
Hope this helps and sending vibes to Alby and hope your vet finds the cause of the discharge.
Craig xx
 
Hello and welcome. I’m sorry to read of you bunny Alby’s snuffle worry. I would say always trust your gut - it’s always a good indicator and there are reasons why we have a ‘6th sense’ or gut feeling.
I’m wondering (and I might not be alone with this thought) that perhaps it might be dental related?
I’m sure Jane (inspector morse) will pop on your thread later but she is incredibly knowledgable about these things.
Crusty dischargy nose just sends too many alarm bells for me. The fact your vet has checked upper respiratory is good. The fact it’s clear is a great positive. So I would consider asking your vet to check teeth - possibly even a head xray as teeth can intrude into the nasal cavity.
The fact Alby is pooping and weeing is also positive. I have a bunny that snores - it’s quite the thing. And I’m sure other owners have snoring bunnies.
Hope this helps and sending vibes to Alby and hope your vet finds the cause of the discharge.
Craig xx

Hi Craig,

Thanks for your reply!

I hadn’t considered that it could be dental. I assume the vet checked everything over, as I asked if he generally looked well (claws etc.) and she told me everything seemed fine! But it is difficult to know exactly what she did as due to Covid, I couldn’t go in to the vets with him!

I am reassured by the fact that he’s still being playful, interested in his food and digestive wise, seems to be okay! But my concern is if it is an infection, I don’t want it left to get any worse.

Another thing I’ve noticed, which may not be significant at all, but he refuses to drink from a bottle. He will only drink from a bowl, but my concern is his chin gets very soggy and I don’t want him to develop dermatitis or skin irritation. I read that putting something sweet on the spout (mashed banana?) could encourage him to drink from a bottle?

Thanks again. :)
 
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Another thing I’ve noticed, which may not be significant at all, but he refuses to drink from a bottle. He will only drink from a bowl, but my concern is his chin gets very soggy and I don’t want him to develop dermatitis or skin irritation. I read that putting something sweet on the spout (mashed banana?) could encourage him to drink from a bottle?

Thanks again. :)

I'm sorry I cannot help regarding the snoring or nasal discharge.
But I would highlight that our buns only have a bowel to drink from, I think it is generally considered better for them than a bottle. However in Alby's case, you may have a particular health concern which makes a bottle a better option.
I hope you manage to resolve the nasal problems without too many issues
Richard


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My late bunny CX (my avatar) was on different medications for snuffles from Pasturella with temporary improvement. He lived for half of his 13 years on various medications. The prolonged snuffles created permanent damage to his nasal structures making it easy for dust/hay/pollen to cause additional irritation. I would sift his hay and pellets to remove any small particles. Eventually he could not have hay and did well on pellets and greens. He was with me for a couple years before he showed symptoms, so I presume that his pasturella was asymptomatic when I first adopted him following from his early career as a show bunny.

Although my CX is an example of chronic snuffles; I have had bunnies who had temporary sneezing too.
 
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Sorry my reply will be in bullet points

1 is there nasal discharge as well as sneezing ? If so and it is creamy coloured infection of the URT is likely. If the sneezes are ‘dry’ that is more indicative of a LRT issue or a heart issue. Sneezing associated with tooth root elongation usually involves nasal discharge, but not always.

2 ear scratching may mean ear mites and/or ear infection. URTIs and ear infections are linked

3 is your Vet Rabbit Savvy ? Not all small animal Vets know a great deal about Rabbits

4 Some further information

http://www.medirabbit.com/EN/Respiratory/respira_main.htm

https://www.veterinarywebinars.com/...oads/2016/03/Study_Notes_Ear_Nose_Rabbits.pdf

https://www.dechra.co.uk/therapy-ar...gals/disease-information/ear-mites-in-rabbits

https://www.vettimes.co.uk/app/uplo...itis-externa-media-and-interna-in-rabbits.pdf

Oh and Rabbits with Dental problems can struggle to use a sipper bottle. But a Rabbit used to having a water bowl may just not want to use a bottle
 
Has he or is he being kept on sawdust or shavings? As this can cause respiratory problems. I would take him to a rabbit savvy vet for a diagnosis.
 
You can find out where your nearest Rabbit savvy Vet is by going onto the Rabbit Welfare Association's website. Good luck with your Bunny.
 
I'm sorry I cannot help regarding the snoring or nasal discharge.
But I would highlight that our buns only have a bowel to drink from, I think it is generally considered better for them than a bottle. However in Alby's case, you may have a particular health concern which makes a bottle a better option.
I hope you manage to resolve the nasal problems without too many issues
Richard

Thanks for your reply.

Yes, I had read a bowl is better as it is more hygienic - bottles can harbour bacteria. I have no issues with him using a bowl if he prefers, but as I said I am concerned about how soggy his chin gets as I don’t want it to cause any nasty skin irritation. He actually started to use his bottle this morning, so I’ll see how he goes with that. I clean it & change the water several times daily.
 
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My late bunny CX (my avatar) was on different medications for snuffles from Pasturella with temporary improvement. He lived for half of his 13 years on various medications. The prolonged snuffles created permanent damage to his nasal structures making it easy for dust/hay/pollen to cause additional irritation. I would sift his hay and pellets to remove any small particles. Eventually he could not have hay and did well on pellets and greens. He was with me for a couple years before he showed symptoms, so I presume that his pasturella was asymptomatic when I first adopted him following from his early career as a show bunny.

Although my CX is an example of chronic snuffles; I have had bunnies who had temporary sneezing too.

Hi, thanks for your reply.

Wow, 13 years! I have wondered if his hay is causing him some irritation. I considered switching to a different hay to see if it helps? I use paper pelleted bedding as his main bedding as this is completely dust free.
 
Sorry my reply will be in bullet points

1 is there nasal discharge as well as sneezing ? If so and it is creamy coloured infection of the URT is likely. If the sneezes are ‘dry’ that is more indicative of a LRT issue or a heart issue. Sneezing associated with tooth root elongation usually involves nasal discharge, but not always.

2 ear scratching may mean ear mites and/or ear infection. URTIs and ear infections are linked

3 is your Vet Rabbit Savvy ? Not all small animal Vets know a great deal about Rabbits

4 Some further information

http://www.medirabbit.com/EN/Respiratory/respira_main.htm

https://www.veterinarywebinars.com/...oads/2016/03/Study_Notes_Ear_Nose_Rabbits.pdf

https://www.dechra.co.uk/therapy-ar...gals/disease-information/ear-mites-in-rabbits

https://www.vettimes.co.uk/app/uplo...itis-externa-media-and-interna-in-rabbits.pdf

Oh and Rabbits with Dental problems can struggle to use a sipper bottle. But a Rabbit used to having a water bowl may just not want to use a bottle

Hi, thanks for your reply.

Yes, there appears to be both nasal discharge & sneezing. It’s difficult to tell the colour of the discharge, as his hay is very green so it has stained the white fur around his nose! I would say it’s a creamy-white colour. I considered a URT infection was most likely. Vet checked his lungs/heart when he had his vaccine last week, and said there were no concerns there!

Again, I considered that if it was a URT infection, it may be affecting his ear also.

I am going to do some research into specialist small pet vets. It’s tricky, because I don’t have access to a car & so I go to a vet in walking distance to me. Covid is making public transport slightly more complicated!
 
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Sorry your bun is having some issues, I wo definitely try and get him to a rabbit savvy vet for a thorough check up. They could try a precautionary course of antibiotics if they can't find an obvious reason for his snuffles. It's good that he seems happy in himself but I would go with your gut.

I have a bun who snores, for him it's normal, so Alby's might be normal for him but could also be linked to his snuffles. One of mine also gets a bit of a wet chin from his bowl but he's never had any skin issues, he tends to just clean himself up with his paws, so I wouldn't worry too much unless his is really excessive.

If he has issues with the dust particles from his hay, there are things you can do to minimise this (i have no experience so will leave it to others to offer advice on this front).

Hope you can get to the bottom of it!
 
Has he or is he being kept on sawdust or shavings? As this can cause respiratory problems. I would take him to a rabbit savvy vet for a diagnosis.

I believe he was being kept on wood shavings at the breeders. But I avoid these at all costs, and instead use a completely dust-free paper pelleted bedding.
 
I believe he was being kept on wood shavings at the breeders. But I avoid these at all costs, and instead use a completely dust-free paper pelleted bedding.

It could be the fact he was on shavings at the breeders that have caused the issues he has now. I would discuss treatment with a rabbit savvy vet ASAP.
 
Hi, thanks for your reply.

Wow, 13 years! I have wondered if his hay is causing him some irritation. I considered switching to a different hay to see if it helps? I use paper pelleted bedding as his main bedding as this is completely dust free.
Glad he has dust free bedding. You can try putting hay in a mesh laundry bag and shaking it outside it remove dust or small pieces. Different cuttings or varities may be less dusty too.

Sending more vibes.
 
As he was given his vaccination you may find his sneezing and nasal discharge gets worse. His immune system will now be under additional challenge responding to the vaccine, so he may be less able to keep on top of the infection. I’d try to get him back to a Rabbit Savvy Vet today
 
Glad he has dust free bedding. You can try putting hay in a mesh laundry bag and shaking it outside it remove dust or small pieces. Different cuttings or varities may be less dusty too.

Sending more vibes.

Thanks for the suggestion.

I have considered his hay is too dusty and I also read some rabbits can be sensitive to Timothy Hay? And that Orchard Hay may be a good alternative for particularly sensitive bunnies. I’m going to switch him to a mix of this and Alfalfa Hay. I’m slightly concerned he seems very thin, too. And then last night, I noticed a jelly-like, clear to grey mucus in his normal dry stools. This concerned me very much, but this morning I’ve seen no sign of any more mucus and his poops seem to be back to normal. I’m going to speak to the vets this morning! I just wish I could get to the bottom of what’s causing all of this upset. :(
 
As he was given his vaccination you may find his sneezing and nasal discharge gets worse. His immune system will now be under additional challenge responding to the vaccine, so he may be less able to keep on top of the infection. I’d try to get him back to a Rabbit Savvy Vet today

I’m going to speak to the vets today. I have noticed his symptoms have worsened since the vaccine. The vet assured me he was in perfectly good health to be safe to receive the vaccine when she gave it to him, as I had raised some concerns beforehand. She told me sometimes ‘bunnies just make funny noises & are strange!’.
I have tried to research rabbit savvy vets near me but there are none that I am realistically able to get to. Although, I did read on my vets site that there is a particular vet there who specialises in rabbit medicine, so I am going to request I see her.
 
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