bunnyhuggger
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I think "evidence" is rather a strong word here. Yes, there are occasions where things happen that are difficult to rationalise, but this does not make them "evidence" for the paranormal any more than succesfully rationalising the situation is "evidence" that the paranormal doesn't exist. It is just an anecdote that points one way or the other.Adele said:Jeremy said:It is not difficult to test some of the claims these people make. Psychics are a perfect example. Just make them do a double blind reading and state FACTS rather than "I'm getting a B". Strangley none of them will - I wonder why?Adele said:Perhaps we just have not developed the right scientific test yet for these things...
Hiya, yes this is true but conversely there is other evidence that has been collected that cannot be explained , so believers and non believers can all come up with specific cases to illustrate their point..but this still gets us no further forward :!: :roll: :lol: (Adele)
I would suggest that any psychic reading can easily be quantified no matter how "amazing" it may seem. People do not quantify because they do not wish to.Adele said:Well I have never had a psychic reading done, and if i did I would have to base my overall view of it on many readings and meeting many psychics, before I felt I could formulate a perspective of whether it was real or not.
I agree lots of people do delude themselves, but for everyone that does, there are others who have genuine experiences that cannot be quantified.
A good point, and I will probably surprise you to say that no, I do not hold "experiences" as truth. Even my own.Adele said:This then comes down to trust, if the scientific evidence is not there as yet, then we have to take what others have experienced as some truths.
Or do you only believe in things you directly experience yourself, other people are not able to be rational or look at things objectively?
Yes, if you saw a ghost pop up in front of you in the living room and all methods of trickery, hallucination (or drug taking :lol: ) had been ruled out, then I would admit this would seem like personal proof. I would tentatively suggest that most people do not have such well defined experiences.Adele said:Also if you have experienced things first hand,then you dont arguably need the proof as you know It (whatever it is) exists!
Yes, I see what you are saying, but personally (ooer! I'm on dangerous ground here! :lol: ) I would say that religion is just another self delusion. As you know I used to be very religious and I "knew" that God existed. But did I really? No, I had just convinced myself. :?Adele said:..oooh this is hard to explain, am I making any sense?? sorry doing my best!.
It is like Religion I guess, some believe and know that a God exists(as they experience something unquantifiable) , and others who dont.
Hmm, I think we are moving slightly out of context. I do not mean to lump together everyone who has a possible belief in the paranormal, but SOME people would rather embrace fantastic believes rather than face a harsh reality.Adele said:Jeremy said:It seems to me that it is the "believers" who are scared to face the real world, and so make up extraordinary explanations for things THEY cannot quantify. On a personal level I found myself FAR less "afraid" of life since realising that there is zero solid evidence for the paranormal and these things have a rational explanation. Whether coincidence or not I don't know, but I have also found a lot of other irrational fears I had (such as spiders) have also evapourated a great deal.)Adele said:People are often scared by things they cannot quantify, so they refuse to accept that we still do not know everything about life and death.
Firstly who are the believers? do you mean people who want to believe something exists and go to extraordinary lengths to try and gather info/ evidence to back up their view point? or those that have experienced something directly, and surely they would not need to prove anything to anyone, as they just know something unexplainable has happened?
There are different ways of looking at it arent there?
Yes, of course. It is a natural thing to do, and as a sceptic I have to try very hard to practice what I preach and remain open minded to other possibilities.Adele said:Jeremy said:Earlier in my life I would have agreed with you Adele, I really would, but I have found time and time again that people are either just deluding themselves, or are using deliberate trickery to make a fast buck.Adele said:There are too many people having experiences of paranormal to just conclude it is the imagination, or in the mind in my view.
yes I have no doubt that this is the case in a lot of cases Jeremy, just like anything else in life, there are those that abuse any belief system to their own ends.
But dont people also do that when they are trying to prove their own perspective though, just pick up on the things that support their case, not work with everything in front of them.
That is you opinion. My opinion would be that there is probably a logical explaination. I think we have a difference of opinion! :lol: :lol:Adele said:I dont profess to have the answers of life, I am not a believer or non believer, but I do know that there are unexplainable things. and cannot personally put those down to delusions.
You should always go with what you believe is right, whether you base that on "gut instinct" and experience, or like me, on quantifiable data.Adele said:I would be happier myself to think nothing else existed as it would fit in with my scientific upbringing, but due to my life experiences I cannot say that..it is like working with the bunnies, you read things in books about rabbit care, but if you have observed and experienced things first hand (0r through those close to you) that conflict with the book, then what do you do? Ignore them as they cannot be right as they conflict with a book, or follow your own gut instinct as to the truths?
bunnyhuggger said:Ok, here's the photo....
Lizzie said:Exam Question 1: Lizzie is sitting here at her computer, accompanied by Modge and Potty. Do you know this for a fact? Do you know that I am typing this message? Do you know that my name is Lizzie? Have I just been to see my hero, Jason, for Modge to have a post-operative check-up? Is it raining in Gloucester? Have my bunnies got wet? I can give you the answers but will you believe what I tell you, how will you know that I am telling the truth? Please discuss.
Lizzie said:Exam Question 2: A matter close to my heart, especially considering the very, very trying afternoon I have had up to seeing my hero!!! "All car traders are absolute villains and sharks. True or false?" Please discuss.
I tried making the font really small but I couldn't read itLizzie said:Answers on a postage stamp please!
Jeremy said:bunnyhuggger said:Ok, here's the photo....
Erm. You're having a larf right? :wink:
bunnyhuggger said:Can't you see the little girl?
bunnyhuggger said:Jeremy said:bunnyhuggger said:Ok, here's the photo....
Erm. You're having a larf right? :wink:
Erm.... no Can't you see the little girl?
She isn't!! :shock:bunnyhuggger said:And no Jeremy, the little girl isn't on the right of the photo :wink:
Jeremy said:She isn't!! :shock:bunnyhuggger said:And no Jeremy, the little girl isn't on the right of the photo :wink:
I must be blind then 'cus I don't see anything remotely like a little girl anywhere else? :shock: