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EC bunny please help UD p47 possible lung scarring/water on lungs

Thank you everyone for kind words and vibes

Here is a video I have taken tonight, Leo is zoning out but then suddenly gets the urge to eat hay, wanders around and goes back to zoning, turns a full circle as he can only turn one way, and goes for another wander.

The whole time Jemima is eating, then sleeps.

http://youtu.be/cOmWgYXdQFI
 
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I'm sorry, but an xray does not clear anybun or person from the possibility of infection.
IMO, baytril should be in use incase of infection and zantac should be used alongside the metacam.

We uae lapizole for Malteser every 6months now he is better, first year I did it every 3 months but vet agreed 6monthly doses will be ok.

Hope your bun feels better soon. Malteser scanned when he was poorly, not sure if it eas the meds or the effect of the parasite / infection attacking the brain. When recovered he stopped. The mouth breating didn't last long with him either.

With EC I would recommened consulting with a rabbit specialist to ensure the best outcome.
 
Neleh said:
I'm sorry, but an xray does not clear anybun or person from the possibility of infection.
IMO, baytril should be in use incase of infection and zantac should be used alongside the metacam.

We uae lapizole for Malteser every 6months now he is better, first year I did it every 3 months but vet agreed 6monthly doses will be ok.

Hope your bun feels better soon. Malteser scanned when he was poorly, not sure if it eas the meds or the effect of the parasite / infection attacking the brain. When recovered he stopped. The mouth breating didn't last long with him either.

With EC I would recommened consulting with a rabbit specialist to ensure the best outcome.
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Thanks for this, the vet is on holiday but left me with instruction, I will call tomorrow morning to see if I can see the other vet ...

I have some baytril what is xzantac ? Reading online people treat with anti biotics as a matter of course but my vet definitely said there is no respiritory infection

On mobile hence short replies
 
There are many sources of infection other than the chest. I was told Malteser had an infected bite wound on his penis, it was his scent gland:roll: he did have some other bites we found later in the week too.
I was told may as well treat for infection as tests take a long time and have big price tag!

The zantac helps stop any tummy issues as a result of the metacam, it's similar to ibuprofen, they are not gentle to the stomach and my savvy vet gave us metacam for swelling and zantac to avoid tummy upset and stasis.
 
Your Rabbit has increased respiratory rate and effort. There is something going on in his chest, it may or may not be infection. There are other problems that can present in a similar way. It could be a heart problem rather than a lung problem

Personally I would seek a second opinion from another Vet
 
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Jack's-Jane said:
Your Rabbit has increased respiratory rate and effort. There is something going on in his chest, it may or may not be infection. There are other problems that can present in a similar way. It could be a heart problem rather than a lung problem

Personally I would seek a second opinion from another Vet
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Did you watch the video? I am not being over protective there IS actually a problem with his breathing? I've started doubting myself ... He has always been a fast breather

The x rays were sent to america for analysis and they said it was all normal

I've already changed vets over this issue to one recommended on here so have had two different vets
 
UsagiYojimbo said:
Did you watch the video? I am not being over protective there IS actually a problem with his breathing? I've started doubting myself ... He has always been a fast breather

The x rays were sent to america for analysis and they said it was all normal

I've already changed vets over this issue to one recommended on here so have had two different vets
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Yes, I watched the video

His breathing looks abnormal to me, too fast and too much effort. He seems worse after any exertion making me think it could be a heart problem. Something I have seen many times before.

But if you say he has had all diagnostics analysed by experts then I guess you need to take their opinion as being correct. I am neither a Vet or an expert.
 
Jacks Jane or anyone else please give me a list of things to ask for at the vets.

This is what he has had so far:

full xrays of head throat chest and heart
was on baytril for 2 weeks
is on lapizol and metacam for the last 2 weeks

I have phoned the vets but because my vet is on holiday the other vet is going to re examine the x-rays and I am taking him in as soon as I can which is 6.30pm tonight.

My options as she says are:

ultrasound for heart
swabs from lungs - she doesnt know if this is possible but it is for cats and dogs. I think he may be too ill for this??

He is doing this rapid breathing constantly and I am now convinced it has nothing to do with EC

Please advice before my vet app so I can ask.

Blood tests??

Could it be thiroids?


I need a list of tests / scans to ask for

We believe he is in pain but we are giving him metacam
 
After taking Leo to yet another vet last night as he was deteriorating (rapid breathing and coughing and nose up in the air) the vet inspected the xrays previously taken. Where they had previously been analyzed nothing out of the ordinary was found. This vet says she can see dark areas on the lungs which may indicate lung scarring or water on the lungs.

She gave him a shot of penicillin and metacam and he instantly became more active, eating, drinking, pooping and his nose settled down (it was really flared up), he is still rapid breathing but not seriously rapid breathing.

However tonight he is taking a turn again getting worse. Could this be the penicillin wearing off?

We gave him metacam this morning and this evening, along with his lapizol for EC.

He is in first thing Monday morning for new x-rays to see if they can get a better look at his lungs.

Are there any blood tests I can request? I know there is one for EC which I would like to test both Jemima and Leo to see if they are positive.

What other blood tests can I request?

The other option is an ultrasound for the heart, however they do not analyse the data it would need sending off.

I spoke about possible heart disease, and that the liquid on the lungs could be an affect of heart disease however she doesn't think it is. She believes he has some kind of pneumonia type illness that may have resulted in scarring in the lungs, or liquid on the lungs.

I have been checking his poo every time he goes to the litter tray and they are darker and slightly smaller but satisfactory. I've been watching him ALL DAY, slowly he has gotten worse with his breathing.

Any advice much appreciated thank you xxx
 
A diuretic would help shift fluid from his lungs. One shot of Penicillin wont have had any dramatic impact, so the apparent improvement for a short time was most likely due to the anti-inflammatory effect of the Metacam

If he is raising his head to breathe again he needs to go back to a Vet tonight for intensive care including Oxygen
 
Jack's-Jane said:
A diuretic would help shift fluid from his lungs. One shot of Penicillin wont have had any dramatic impact, so the apparent improvement for a short time was most likely due to the anti-inflammatory effect of the Metacam

If he is raising his head to breathe again he needs to go back to a Vet tonight for intensive care including Oxygen
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He did when we gave him his medicine but his mouth is shut and he is eating hay in the litter tray now, I can take another video to show if you want to?!I ha

A diuretic was NOT discussed (wikipedia says it is to rid the body of water through urine)?

I have read a book called "rabbit health in the 21st century a guide for bunny parents by Kathy Smith" and the chapter on heart disease matches his symptoms however it does say it is difficult to differentiate between heart problems and respiratory infections without tests, hence the x-rays were done.

I'll take a quick video of him now brb

UD uploading video now, and he looks absolutely fine eating hay but can you see he is breathing slightly faster than usual or am I being paranoid?

He seems to be up and down perhaps the metacam is kicking in again given about an hour and a half ago orally.
 
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He is in the process of running around, stopped to cough/sneeze a few times, run around a bit more and now he is back to eating hay again

 
Imogen is EC positive and had a bronchial infection. Presented with resps of 100pm and the xray showed dark spots on the lungs. Vet did a lung wash and sent samples away to be tested, it was infection which responded to baytril. Might be worth mentioning? She has scarring too now and her resp rate is still raised but will always be because of the scars
 
Georgeypudding said:
Imogen is EC positive and had a bronchial infection. Presented with resps of 100pm and the xray showed dark spots on the lungs. Vet did a lung wash and sent samples away to be tested, it was infection which responded to baytril. Might be worth mentioning? She has scarring too now and her resp rate is still raised but will always be because of the scars
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A Lung wash was mentioned but she stressed that she has never heard of this being done on a rabbit before only cats and dogs. She didnt appear confident with this at all.

Where do you live and what vet do you use????? I am in two minds whether to cancel his appointment on Monday and get him booked in at a different vets.

When you say Imogen was EC positive what do you mean? Is there a test?

Yes she said there are dark spots on the x-rays, when initially the other vet said it was all clear
 
Originally my vet said there was nothing on the xrays, I then went to see Mrs Ford at the Cambridge Veterinary Group who spotted something on the original xray so repeated it and confirmed the dark spots. I don't know if Mrs Ford will discuss it over the phone with your vet, but I don't think I'd want it done by a vet who isn't confident.

There is a test yes, it's a blood test :wave:

I'm in Northamptonshire and had to travel 1 hour each way to see Mrs Ford
 
 
Georgeypudding said:
Originally my vet said there was nothing on the xrays, I then went to see Mrs Ford at the Cambridge Veterinary Group who spotted something on the original xray so repeated it and confirmed the dark spots. I don't know if Mrs Ford will discuss it over the phone with your vet, but I don't think I'd want it done by a vet who isn't confident.

There is a test yes, it's a blood test :wave:

I'm in Northamptonshire and had to travel 1 hour each way to see Mrs Ford
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Initially the first vet didnt see anything however after I called and asked for them to be re looked at the other vet says there MAY be dark patches but wants to re take the x-ray (at full cost I would imagine) to see if anything has changed.

She said she didnt think a lung wash was possible in rabbits, which has deflated me completely.

Which way was it an hour journey? toward birmingham or the other way? (ignore just reread your post, cambridge)

Is there any chance I can get Mrs Ford details and for my vet to discuss this lung wash with please? I may just take Leo straight to her, what vets does she work at?

Thanks
 
 
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