Very worried - lots of meds

[Jack's-Jane]

Kale can cause the urine to be very dark. So it might be that.

 

[marchi1990]

Kale can cause the urine to be very dark. So it might be that.

Okay thank you

 

[fruitandnutcake]

I know I'm a bit late to add to this as I've only just noticed the thread I agree with others that a proper molar dental can not be done without GA. I am surprised the vets didn't take him in straight away. My vets were great yesterday. I phoned at 10:30 in the morning, had Pebbles there by 11 when he was admitted, they performed procedure at 3 and he was at home by 4.

Also agree that you need to keep a close eye on his poops...they will be smaller if he isn't eating enough. Pebs is still producing small poos, and not eating hard ss pellets, but loving them softened in water. But the longer they do not eat hard foods, the more likely it is that molar spurs will regrow..and they can regrow in a couple of weeks.

The wet paws is a sign of pain..buns will wet their paws and then use their paws to rub at the sore place on their jaw...so you may find he has a bald patch under his jaw (often difficult to see unless you can look right under the chin). To see under the chin, sit down and either lift him carefully above your head if he is Ok to be held..or using a favourite piece of herb/veg..hold it above his head so he has to stand on hind legs to reach for it.


To me, it doesn't sound as though your vet is bunny savvy...they should have admitted him for a full GA molar as soon as there were signs of dental spurs. Leaving it longer means that any remaining spurs or mallaclusions will continue to irritate his tongue/cheek or gums and he may even have ulcers forming, which again, can not be seen without GA.

 

[marchi1990]

I know I'm a bit late to add to this as I've only just noticed the thread I agree with others that a proper molar dental can not be done without GA. I am surprised the vets didn't take him in straight away. My vets were great yesterday. I phoned at 10:30 in the morning, had Pebbles there by 11 when he was admitted, they performed procedure at 3 and he was at home by 4.

Also agree that you need to keep a close eye on his poops...they will be smaller if he isn't eating enough. Pebs is still producing small poos, and not eating hard ss pellets, but loving them softened in water. But the longer they do not eat hard foods, the more likely it is that molar spurs will regrow..and they can regrow in a couple of weeks.

The wet paws is a sign of pain..buns will wet their paws and then use their paws to rub at the sore place on their jaw...so you may find he has a bald patch under his jaw (often difficult to see unless you can look right under the chin). To see under the chin, sit down and either lift him carefully above your head if he is Ok to be held..or using a favourite piece of herb/veg..hold it above his head so he has to stand on hind legs to reach for it.


To me, it doesn't sound as though your vet is bunny savvy...they should have admitted him for a full GA molar as soon as there were signs of dental spurs. Leaving it longer means that any remaining spurs or mallaclusions will continue to irritate his tongue/cheek or gums and he may even have ulcers forming, which again, can not be seen without GA.

Thank you so much for replying. I know I was also surprised that they didn't take him in immediately. Their reasoning was that she wanted him to be 'pain free' and less stressed before the procedure. That is why she has prescribed metacam she said to me. I trusted her because I thought that made sense.

However I have now learnt that probably wasn't a good idea - I will definitely learn for next time.

His poops are slightly smaller than usual but he is eating pretty well. All his nuggets today, sprouts and green beans. I think this is probably because of the metacam so isn't feeling the pain so much?

I will update tomorrow when he is home. Thank you

 

[marchi1990]

He has been dropped off . I have to ring at 1pm for an update

 

[wendle]

Sending tons of good luck vibes he will be back home before ya no it

 

[marchi1990]

Sending tons of good luck vibes he will be back home before ya no it

Thank you

 

[Jack's-Jane]

Hope he will soon be home a feeling much more comfortable xx

 

[marchi1990]

Hope he will soon be home a feeling much more comfortable xx

Thanks Jane - called at 1pm and they hadn't got to him yet. Waiting for their call. Will let everyone know. Thanks for being so kind everybody

 

[cpayne]

Just seen this, hope he's OK and everything gets sorted. Lots of hugs for you and your little one.

 

[marchi1990]

Just seen this, hope he's OK and everything gets sorted. Lots of hugs for you and your little one.

Thank you so much.
The vet rung and said that he is still wobbly on his feet due to GA.
She said that he had tooth spurs on both sides of his mouth - which had created ulcers
She said she is particularly worried that it is only 2 weeks since his last dental.

 

[Jack's-Jane]

Thank you so much.
The vet rung and said that he is still wobbly on his feet due to GA.
She said that he had tooth spurs on both sides of his mouth - which had created ulcers
She said she is particularly worried that it is only 2 weeks since his last dental.

BUT his last Dental was not done under GA !! There really is no way that Dental Rabbits can be effictively managed long term by attempting to do a Dental without any sedation

Have a look at this. I defy any Vet, however skilled, to be able to carry out this procedure whilst the Rabbit is awake

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...y1Y9Ee&sig=AHIEtbTAYCPIxhL_Jq6YLLzVPHZbzGUaCQ

Hope he will soon recover from the GA xx

 

[marchi1990]

BUT his last Dental was not done under GA !! There really is no way that Dental Rabbits can be effictively managed long term by attempting to do a Dental without any sedation

Have a look at this. I defy any Vet, however skilled, to be able to carry out this procedure whilst the Rabbit is awake

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...y1Y9Ee&sig=AHIEtbTAYCPIxhL_Jq6YLLzVPHZbzGUaCQ

Hope he will soon recover from the GA xx

Yes you are quite right Jane. When I go and collect him at 5pm I am going to tell them this - that it obviously was not done thoroughly enough last time which is why he has had to go through this twice in one month.

Wow that link is very clear - I feel very sad that they tried to perform this on him last time awake. Poor Woody. x

 

[marchi1990]

Woody is home - he was a little woozy at first but much more sprightly now.

He is in his inside house because I need to keep an eye on him - he is eating his nuggets well and drinking.

I have seen a few nice big poos which is pleaseing

They said they want him back in 2 weeks to sedate him again. I said that I only believe it was so close to his last dental this time because last time it was not thoroughly performed - as he was awake. She didn't really remark on this and just said that some rabbits need it done more often for others.

I am trying to look for a more long-term solution, he came home and was clearly traumatised - he bolted out of his carrier as soon as I opened it which is rare for him. I hate that he has to go through this all the time.

 

[GrahamL]

Woody is home - he was a little woozy at first but much more sprightly now.

He is in his inside house because I need to keep an eye on him - he is eating his nuggets well and drinking.

I have seen a few nice big poos which is pleaseing

They said they want him back in 2 weeks to sedate him again. I said that I only believe it was so close to his last dental this time because last time it was not thoroughly performed - as he was awake. She didn't really remark on this and just said that some rabbits need it done more often for others.

I am trying to look for a more long-term solution, he came home and was clearly traumatised - he bolted out of his carrier as soon as I opened it which is rare for him. I hate that he has to go through this all the time.

If i was in your position - this entire situation would be ringing alarm bells to me.

Your vet is clearly not rabbit savvy, has no idea how rabbits teeth grow etc.

I would be looking for another vet, asap. But obviously, this is up to you.

If you do choose to look for another - put up a thread in 'Rabbit Chat' asking for "Rabbit Savvy Vet in <insert your area here>".

 

[marchi1990]

If i was in your position - this entire situation would be ringing alarm bells to me.

Your vet is clearly not rabbit savvy, has no idea how rabbits teeth grow etc.

I would be looking for another vet, asap. But obviously, this is up to you.

If you do choose to look for another - put up a thread in 'Rabbit Chat' asking for "Rabbit Savvy Vet in <insert your area here>".

My family and I decided this last night - we are going to try and look for another vet. I will do what you said about the thread. Many thanks.

 

[fruitandnutcake]

If i was in your position - this entire situation would be ringing alarm bells to me.

Your vet is clearly not rabbit savvy, has no idea how rabbits teeth grow etc.

I would be looking for another vet, asap. But obviously, this is up to you.

If you do choose to look for another - put up a thread in 'Rabbit Chat' asking for "Rabbit Savvy Vet in <insert your area here>".

I agree, if his first dental had been done properly under GA, it is unlikely that he would have needed another dental so soon. However, when Pebbles had his first dental in May 2011, my vet advised to remove pellets from his diet to make him eat more hay. I did this gradually over a week, and didn't realise he wasn't eating hay at all and he went into stasis and his molar spurs regrew back within 2 weeks. Increasing his pellets back up, and changing him onto high fibre ss pellets has kept his molar spurs and malloclusion down to a more manageable level.

Pebbles was going about 6 months between dentals, but went 9 months since last one in May 2012, and in the last few months had started eating very small amounts of hay.

Now, I know that the first sign of problems, my vets will take him straight in as an emergency and do his dental under GA within a few hours of me taking him in. They will also give him follow up pain relief & gut stimulants daily till he is right again. You need to find a good vet that is very experienced with dental buns ..

 

[marchi1990]

I agree, if his first dental had been done properly under GA, it is unlikely that he would have needed another dental so soon. However, when Pebbles had his first dental in May 2011, my vet advised to remove pellets from his diet to make him eat more hay. I did this gradually over a week, and didn't realise he wasn't eating hay at all and he went into stasis and his molar spurs regrew back within 2 weeks. Increasing his pellets back up, and changing him onto high fibre ss pellets has kept his molar spurs and malloclusion down to a more manageable level.

Pebbles was going about 6 months between dentals, but went 9 months since last one in May 2012, and in the last few months had started eating very small amounts of hay.

Now, I know that the first sign of problems, my vets will take him straight in as an emergency and do his dental under GA within a few hours of me taking him in. They will also give him follow up pain relief & gut stimulants daily till he is right again. You need to find a good vet that is very experienced with dental buns ..

Thank you and yes I believe you are right. I really struggle with him to get him to eat hay so perhaps I will swap over to the SS - where do you get this from? I am also currently in the process of searching for another vet.

 

[cpayne]

Good luck, I hope you find a great specialist it really makes a difference and you will know woody is in safe hands.

Hope he's ok, lots of vibes and hugs to you both.

 

[Amy104]

I've posted details of the vets I use on your other thread - They aren't specialists like the others recommended but they have always been very good with my bunnies even those who've had more challenging issues.