Myxi :(

[DwarfBuns]

Did he have the new combination vaccine- Nobivac Myxo-RHD ?

If so then it is a live attenuated vaccine


http://www.msd-animal-health.co.uk/products_public/nobivac-myxo-rhd/090_product_datasheet.aspx

There have been other reports of similar situations as yours

http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/s...-vac-Myxo-RHD&highlight=myxi+vaccine+reaction

http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/s...bined-vaccine&highlight=myxi+vaccine+reaction

http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/s...Bun-with-myxo&highlight=myxi+vaccine+reaction

http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/s...-myxi-vaccine&highlight=myxi+vaccine+reaction

I think that's the one he had, I will check his vaccination card in a minute to see what it says. If this is a well known occurrence though, surely my Vet would have known? Some of the posts you mention date back to 2012!

I've managed to get onto my laptop to put the photos up. He's just had a play in the lounge

^^ This is his bad eye

^^ This is his good eye

 

[DwarfBuns]

I don't want to speak too soon, but Niles is looking a little better this evening I'm really, really hoping that the Vet was wrong & it's just an eye infection of some sort. I know I'm probably wishing on a miracle, our Vet is a rabbit savvy exotics specialist so I trust him, I'm just really hoping he might be wrong.

 

[Jack's-Jane]

I am glad that he seems to be doing a bit better

Did you check which vaccine he had ?

 

[DwarfBuns]

He seems quite bright this morning, the scab on his bottom eyelid seems to be weeping in the morning, but dries up by the evening. Is that normal? I've not wiped it as I don't want to cause him too much stress by handling him too much. It's not bothering him, just looks awful

He had the Nobivac Myxo-RHD vaccination & he was given it on the 11 July. This is his first vaccination as well. If it's a reaction to the vaccination, will it clear up on it's own? And does that mean it's not proper myxi as that's not what's in the vaccine (as I understand it, it's another, similar disease?)

One of the links shared before, most people were saying that the symptoms shown weren't a reaction & that there shouldn't be a reaction.. This is what my Vet said too. I am so confused now

Thankfully Niles seems to be doing ok, he's eating and drinking normally. He doesn't seem to be fighting us too much when we medicate him, but I'm sure it'll get harder.. it always does with Niles!

Edited to add - I just wiped his eye with a warm cotton pad & nothing came away. It almost looks like an ulcer on his eye & it's not discharge :/ Poor guy. He let me do it though, didn't seem too bothered which is good for Niles!

 

[Jack's-Jane]

I may be completely wrong and I am in no way an expert. But I think it may be an eye injury. I think he may have caught himself on the treat stick thing hanging on his cage. Does that sound to be a possibility ?

Re the vaccine, it is the actual Myxomatosis Virus that it contains, it was the old single vaccine that had the Shope Fibroma virus and relied on a cross immunity response to provide some protection against Myxomatosis.

The Nobivac Myxo-RHD data sheet states :

Each dose of reconstituted vaccine contains:
Active substance:
Live myxoma vectored RHD virus strain 009: ≥103.0 and ≤106.1 FFU*.
*Focus Forming Units

 

[tonibun]

I think JJ is an expert, anyway I was thinking the same thing but wasn't too sure. The other thing that sprung to mind as I was outside was the eye reminds me of a rabbit I had with a similar looking eye which was due to teeth problems. Either way, perhaps another Vet visit with your suggestions, as he may need some eye ointment. Hope it is something like this rather than the M word.

 

[DwarfBuns]

The treat was only put in there after we got back from the Vets so he couldn't have hurt himself on it. He'd not had one for a number of days before that.

I'm so confused & don't really know what to think now.

 

[Jack's-Jane]

I would follow the advice of the Vet who examined him. We are not qualified Vets, all we can do is make suggestions. It would be a good idea to ask the Vet if some antibiotic eye drops might be a good idea.

Did the Vet check Niles eye using a dye that would pick up a corneal ulcer ?

 

[DwarfBuns]

He has some fucuthalmic (sp?) Gel to put on & the baytril as well. He doesn't seem to be getting any worse at the moment. I did ask if he could have injured himself or if it was conjunctivitis & the Vet said there was a small chance it could be, but the skin was so swollen that it didn't seem likely. He didn't put the dye in Niles' eye, no, but then it's very much his eyelids x

 

[tonibun]

I hope Niles improves more daily. If you are really worried go back to the Vets.

 

[DwarfBuns]

I'm not so much worried atm as he seems to be doing ok *touch wood* I'm just trying to get my head around what's happened and how. I've looked at the website of the vaccine manufacturer & don't quite understand what they're saying about what makes it up, but I did notice that they state in very rare cases (1 in 10,000) that mild myxi can develop.

I can't understand why my Vet would lie about this? I find that really odd.

The manufacturer also states to only vaccinate healthy rabbits.. Niles is healthy, but does get wheezy & discharge from his nose (clear) when stressed. The Vet has found no cause for this so far & it doesn't change with antibiotics. I wondered if his airways are restricted in a similar way to a pug as his face is flatter than most nethies.

Am I right in thinking that if this is a reaction to the vaccine that he has a good chance of a full recovery? Should my Vet have reported this?

 

[Jack's-Jane]

I'm not so much worried atm as he seems to be doing ok *touch wood* I'm just trying to get my head around what's happened and how. I've looked at the website of the vaccine manufacturer & don't quite understand what they're saying about what makes it up, but I did notice that they state in very rare cases (1 in 10,000) that mild myxi can develop.

I can't understand why my Vet would lie about this? I find that really odd.

The manufacturer also states to only vaccinate healthy rabbits.. Niles is healthy, but does get wheezy & discharge from his nose (clear) when stressed. The Vet has found no cause for this so far & it doesn't change with antibiotics. I wondered if his airways are restricted in a similar way to a pug as his face is flatter than most nethies.

Am I right in thinking that if this is a reaction to the vaccine that he has a good chance of a full recovery? Should my Vet have reported this?

Nethies can be prone to 'Snuffles', often as a secondary symptom of Dental problems involving the tooth roots.

If it is a vaccine reaction then yes, he is likely to make a good recovery. All vaccine adverse reactions should be reported

https://www.vmd.defra.gov.uk/adversereactionreporting/

 

[DwarfBuns]

Nethies can be prone to 'Snuffles', often as a secondary symptom of Dental problems involving the tooth roots.

If it is a vaccine reaction then yes, he is likely to make a good recovery. All vaccine adverse reactions should be reported

https://www.vmd.defra.gov.uk/adversereactionreporting/

Would that be a constant issue though? Niles only gets wheezy when stressed and the discharge is relatively new, but only happens when he's really stressed - like going to the vets The Vet has checked his teeth and they're ok as far as he can see, this time he did say that there were some abnormal molars, but nothing that he's concerned about at this time. His advice was to get Niles to eat more hay.. he's not really a fan of it, so we do our best.

Thank you for the link and the reassurance! Can I report it or does it need to come from the Vet? I have the batch number on Niles' vaccination card. Hopefully that's all it is then & he'll make a full recovery! Not sure whether to confront my Vet about this though, not so happy that he said this had no chance of being down to the vaccination. I just can't think what he would gain by lying? I'm disappointed in him.

 

[Jack's-Jane]

Would that be a constant issue though? Niles only gets wheezy when stressed and the discharge is relatively new, but only happens when he's really stressed - like going to the vets The Vet has checked his teeth and they're ok as far as he can see, this time he did say that there were some abnormal molars, but nothing that he's concerned about at this time. His advice was to get Niles to eat more hay.. he's not really a fan of it, so we do our best.

Thank you for the link and the reassurance! Can I report it or does it need to come from the Vet? I have the batch number on Niles' vaccination card. Hopefully that's all it is then & he'll make a full recovery! Not sure whether to confront my Vet about this though, not so happy that he said this had no chance of being down to the vaccination. I just can't think what he would gain by lying? I'm disappointed in him.

I dont necessarily think the Vet was 'lying' he was stating his Professional opinion. It would be a shame to have this sour what may previously have been a good relationship with your Vet. I would just ask to speak with him again about the possibility of a Vaccine reaction, explaining what you have now read on the Data Sheet etc.

A good Vet will be fine about a discussion on such matters, it's only the ones who think they know it all (and usually dont!!) that are best avoided. I have far more respect for a Vet willing to listen and discuss things, rather than one who gets in a strop should a client dare to question his/her opinion.

 

[DwarfBuns]

I dont necessarily think the Vet was 'lying' he was stating his Professional opinion. It would be a shame to have this sour what may previously have been a good relationship with your Vet. I would just ask to speak with him again about the possibility of a Vaccine reaction, explaining what you have now read on the Data Sheet etc.

A good Vet will be fine about a discussion on such matters, it's only the ones who think they know it all (and usually dont!!) that are best avoided. I have far more respect for a Vet willing to listen and discuss things, rather than one who gets in a strop should a client dare to question his/her opinion.

It's just rather frustrating as we've had a few contradictions from him now regarding Niles & occasionally he just seems rather rushed during our appointments. We shouldn't need to return with Niles unless he gets worse, which I am fine with as it's just too much stress. Really, it doesn't matter how he got Myxi, he has it & my main focus needs to be on getting him better. The Vet is our exotics specialist so there's no one else I'd take my bunnies to see, he can just be rather frustrating sometimes! We took Frasier to our normal Vet when he developed stasis & he died due to a lack of knowledge on their part. It was heartbreaking for me, so now I daren't take them to another Vet.

I do find it a bit irritating that he said the vaccine was not a live virus and because of this, there was no way that the myxi Niles has is a direct result of that. I almost wish I hadn't had the poor guy vaccinated! 6 years & he's been fine, I finally get him vaccinated & he get myxi from it. It's infuriating. It makes me wonder how many other rabbits get sick from this vaccine, but the Vets don't report it for one reason or another. If he'd have said that it could just be a reaction to the vaccine then I'd feel a lot more reassured.. But he seemed to think it was directly from a biting insect. I'm not sure what led him to that conclusion..

Thankfully, Niles still seems ok. The swelling on his eye doesn't seem to have gone down, but it's not getting worse & there are no other symptoms. So I'm staying hopeful. I'd have thought if it was full blown myxi then he would be looking a lot worse by now? Poor bun is just getting on with it, it's not bothering him at all & although he doesn't like it, he's letting me medicate him relatively easily in the evenings.

 

[tonibun]

I hope Niles' eye starts to get better soon. Someone once told me that rabbits don't get Myxi in just one eye so hopefully it isn't that. It must be so frustrating for you not knowing one way or the other.

 

[Neve]

Lots of vibes for your lil man


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