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Henry at vets again - Henry has sadly gone- U/D 6am thread page 20

Really pleased to read that Henry is coming home tonight. I bet Lillian will be thrilled to see him again [emoji3]

I wouldn't be surprised if he's not 100% when he comes home. Try not to panic about that. It can take them several days to get back to normal following a severe case of stasis. Just keep up his medication and syringe feeds for as long as you need to and he will get there in the end.

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No Omi - I would rather you did think things through thoroughly and throw every option at me. It's how I learn. I'll see what the vet says tonight and await the full results.
Not sure about EC although bloods should show up any abnormalities.
I am always so very grateful for your input Omi. Bless you. xx

The normal full range of blood tests would not test for EC. It would need to be a separate test. I would ask the vet why they have prescribed Panacur for Henry.
 
The normal full range of blood tests would not test for EC. It would need to be a separate test. I would ask the vet why they have prescribed Panacur for Henry.
Agreed! Plus I think 80% of buns have ec in their system... (Jane will know)


I'd definitely want to know why it's been prescribed, also I'd be expecting Lillian to be having it too if they suspect ec in Henry.

IIRC EC can cause bladder issues.. As in lack of feeling, I think Mark from trinity vets said to me it can paralyse it? Or something and cause issues. But again you'd need to test specifically for it, and the EC would have to be active to cause this IIRC.

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First off, brilliant news that Henry's coming home. Lillian isn't the only one who'll be sooper excited, I bet! ;)
I'm glad bloods are being run at last. Don't be surprised, however, if EC is a sneaky little bug that likes to hide. We had Mimzy tested for it with every illness that presented, most of all his head tilt, and never got conclusive evidence. But his history with ear infection/urinary issues, etc strongly indicated it. We blanket treated all 3 buns once he tilted with panacur but he was the only one who continued to have symptoms reflecting EC when he got sick. We just assumed by Sherlockian logic (whatever was impossible was likely the truth) that he had it. He was none the worse for us being overcautious.

As Henry's now doing better I'd stay the course. He will continue to recover slowly, we found this with all our tummy bunnies. Stasis takes time to completely resolve. For animals whose bodies turn over meds like metacam at a more accelerated rate than do dogs or cats, bunnies take their time getting their guts back to normal. You'd think it would go faster than it does with their metabolism. :?

I'm blathering, but just shows how chuffed I am that Henry is improved. Wiping a bit of a tear myself. :)

Well done to all involved. (And that means you, too, Craig.)
 
Now off to get henry. Lillian is waiting patiently.
Thank you all regarding the EC advice. I will consult the vet reagrding this and see what we find.
When I told Lillian Henry was coming - and I have been for the last hour, her nose actually twitches quicker. Now, I don't know if they understand hoomans, but she definately increased her nose movement.
Thank you all so much again.
 
So pleased for you that Henry is coming home!! You must be so excited [emoji16]


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Dear RU friends,
Sometimes life and hope can change extremely quickly. And tonight, my life changed about an hour ago. I would dearly love to post some happy positive and joyous news about collecting out Henry tonight, but in between the vet calling me this afternoon, and our consultation tonight, my world has just been crushed.
The vet consulted with the exotic specialist because of......complications.
They attempted to get some bloods from Henry and they tried his paw and his neck. According to the vet, Henry has significant adema. This is preventing them from obtaining any bloods from him. Those of you who have experience of this will know where this is all leading. For me, I'm afraid the last hour was just a blur and shock.
The vet gave a possibility - only a remote one that the adema is possibly due to the fluids that Henry has been having intensively the last 3 days whilst in hospital.
The vet also had to concede that the adema is also more likely a cause of liver issues/failure. They obtained one drop of blood from Henry - enough to put on a slide but not really sufficient to send off for a more thorough analysis. So we decided against sending off the one blood drop smear because that's really not going to help us or Henry at this stage.
The vet and the nurse were both quite frank about where they thought things were leading and we had to have a hard discussion on what the prognosis is.
Henry, apparently, chewed through the catheter in the hospital and was trying to bite the night staff. That's Henry - he has a bit of a fiesty streak in him.
The vet has given Henry a dialaretic injection in an effort to try to disperse the adema and I have to take Henry back tomorrow morning for a second one as they must be given 12 hours apart for them to work. Meanwhile we must administer fibreplex and syringe feed through the night every 4 hours. I don't mind that. In fact, it's the least I can do and I owe Henry that.
If the injections do not work, and the vet said we will know tomorrow, then the prognosis was blunt and is. I am afraid, one that I am really not mentally ready for but unfortunately one that is the reality. I can't type what that is - I am just too busy pouring tears all over the keyboard.
Henry continues to have diahorrea and his output on that is loose and wet. Which further implies as far as our vet is concerned, that this is an organ issue. The lack of appetite and not holding weight all point to something that they cannot find on x-ray so there's no visible obstruction. The vet said this could be a liver infection - which could be treated but that's only determined by blood analysis. It could be poisoning of some sort or it could just be 'one of those things' - just something biological that caused or is causing possible liver failure. We do not know.
We brought Henry home tonight - we felt he deserved that as he is part of our family. We love Henry with all of our hearts. Lillian deserves to see him and Henry deserves to feel that bond with Lillian again, regardless of what the outcome is.
I was never a good reader of people, but I could tell by the vets expression and that of the nurse, that they had that feeling - they will have seen many cases similar whereas I have not.
Henry is eating some basil leaves right now. He is sitting upright a few feet away. He is listening but you can tell he is distant. Lillian is a small distance away but at least she is close by.
I know we haven't reached that 'decision' yet - but I am afraid that in my heart I also know that I must reach that decision tomorrow at some point or possibly over the weekend.
I wish that I had something better, something more hopeful for you all, as you have all put so much energy and wishes and vibes into Henry. I know I am looking on the worse case scenario, and perhaps the injections to disperse the adema will work? I will dearly hold that thought - for Henry's sake, but I'm afraid in my heart I know what the reality is. And for that, I am completely broken.
I will update you as and when I can tomorrow. I am truly sorry my RU friends. I wish I had positive news instead of this. I was not expecting this.
Craig xx
 
Oh Craig :cry: I'm so so sorry to read this update, I am feeling so sad for you all. I really really hope that Henry is able to pull through this. I think you made the right decision to bring him home tonight so he can be looked after and loved in a place where he knows and feels happy xx
 
Oh Craig :cry: I'm so so sorry to read this update, I am feeling so sad for you all. I really really hope that Henry is able to pull through this. I think you made the right decision to bring him home tonight so he can be looked after and loved in a place where he knows and feels happy xx

I feel exactly the same, so so sorry.
I find it had to believe that he is so ill when you say how feisty he is now & that he is eating and has destroyed the catheter. I really really hope for the best & that the vet is wrong.
Big hugs & kisses to Henry... and Lillian too.
 
Oh Craig, I'm so sorry to read this update [emoji17] I wasn't expecting that. I'm really really hoping the odema is just the result of having so much fluid over the last few days.



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I'm sorry to read your latest update. What a dreadful shock for you:(

I'm glad Henry is home with Lillian where he belongs and hope that tomorrow brings better news.

Have said a prayer for Henry (am not religious but I do believe in 'something') and am sending lots and lots of vibes.

Thinking of you all xxx
 
So sad and sorry to read this update Craig, I'm just pleased that you have been able to bring Henry home where he belongs. My thoughts are with you, sending every positive vibe I can xxx
 
What a very sad update, not at all what I was expecting. It is yet again a reminder that these little animals can successfully mask the seriousness of any illness they are suffering.
As everyone else has expressed, I am hoping for a good outcome for Henry and you tomorrow, fingers and paws are crossed

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That is so sad.
I hope the injections work. I hope a miracle happens. I hope he is the one that beats the odds. I hope he will stay with his family. For many years to come.
 
Dear RU friends,
Sometimes life and hope can change extremely quickly. And tonight, my life changed about an hour ago. I would dearly love to post some happy positive and joyous news about collecting out Henry tonight, but in between the vet calling me this afternoon, and our consultation tonight, my world has just been crushed.
The vet consulted with the exotic specialist because of......complications.
They attempted to get some bloods from Henry and they tried his paw and his neck. According to the vet, Henry has significant adema. This is preventing them from obtaining any bloods from him. Those of you who have experience of this will know where this is all leading. For me, I'm afraid the last hour was just a blur and shock.
The vet gave a possibility - only a remote one that the adema is possibly due to the fluids that Henry has been having intensively the last 3 days whilst in hospital.
The vet also had to concede that the adema is also more likely a cause of liver issues/failure. They obtained one drop of blood from Henry - enough to put on a slide but not really sufficient to send off for a more thorough analysis. So we decided against sending off the one blood drop smear because that's really not going to help us or Henry at this stage.
The vet and the nurse were both quite frank about where they thought things were leading and we had to have a hard discussion on what the prognosis is.
Henry, apparently, chewed through the catheter in the hospital and was trying to bite the night staff. That's Henry - he has a bit of a fiesty streak in him.
The vet has given Henry a dialaretic injection in an effort to try to disperse the adema and I have to take Henry back tomorrow morning for a second one as they must be given 12 hours apart for them to work. Meanwhile we must administer fibreplex and syringe feed through the night every 4 hours. I don't mind that. In fact, it's the least I can do and I owe Henry that.
If the injections do not work, and the vet said we will know tomorrow, then the prognosis was blunt and is. I am afraid, one that I am really not mentally ready for but unfortunately one that is the reality. I can't type what that is - I am just too busy pouring tears all over the keyboard.
Henry continues to have diahorrea and his output on that is loose and wet. Which further implies as far as our vet is concerned, that this is an organ issue. The lack of appetite and not holding weight all point to something that they cannot find on x-ray so there's no visible obstruction. The vet said this could be a liver infection - which could be treated but that's only determined by blood analysis. It could be poisoning of some sort or it could just be 'one of those things' - just something biological that caused or is causing possible liver failure. We do not know.
We brought Henry home tonight - we felt he deserved that as he is part of our family. We love Henry with all of our hearts. Lillian deserves to see him and Henry deserves to feel that bond with Lillian again, regardless of what the outcome is.
I was never a good reader of people, but I could tell by the vets expression and that of the nurse, that they had that feeling - they will have seen many cases similar whereas I have not.
Henry is eating some basil leaves right now. He is sitting upright a few feet away. He is listening but you can tell he is distant. Lillian is a small distance away but at least she is close by.
I know we haven't reached that 'decision' yet - but I am afraid that in my heart I also know that I must reach that decision tomorrow at some point or possibly over the weekend.
I wish that I had something better, something more hopeful for you all, as you have all put so much energy and wishes and vibes into Henry. I know I am looking on the worse case scenario, and perhaps the injections to disperse the adema will work? I will dearly hold that thought - for Henry's sake, but I'm afraid in my heart I know what the reality is. And for that, I am completely broken.
I will update you as and when I can tomorrow. I am truly sorry my RU friends. I wish I had positive news instead of this. I was not expecting this.
Craig xx

I am not posting this to try to offer false hope and I apologise if it comes across as just 'information overload'. BUT is there any way that you could take Henry to the Specialist so that he/she can actually examine him. Also he/she is likely to have access to ultrasound equipment. An ultrasound of his liver could be very useful. The Specialist may also be able to get a blood sample using a venipuncture site in the jugular vein

http://wildpro.twycrosszoo.org/S/00...v_TechniquesRabbit/Blood_sampling_rabbits.htm

A full blood profile AND EC testing could be done.

http://www.greendale.co.uk/cuniculi_disease.html

Also faecal analysis -Fecal tests performed include bacterial culture and sensitivity (testing for bacteria and if found what abx the bacteria are sensitive to), parasitology (testing for parasites), occult blood (testing for 'hidden' blood in the poo, blood that is not visible to the naked eye), plain and Gram-stained fecal smears to assess the amount of fiber particles and microorganisms.

Recently, molecular techniques such as PCR (Polymerase chain reaction) have been used to test fecal samples.

https://www.khanacademy.org/science...ectrophoresis/a/polymerase-chain-reaction-pcr

There are conditions that effect the Liver that are treatable but sadly some are not. But at this stage you have no definitive proof that it is his Liver that is the problem.

http://wildpro.twycrosszoo.org/List_Vols/Lagomorphs/List_Lagomorph_Dis.htm#Hepatic

Of course you know Henry best and if you feel he has had enough you and your partner are the only ones in a position to make that call. My post is to just try to flag up options other than PTS today. But just because these options are available it does not mean they should be done. Each case has to be judged individually, taking a holistic approach. What one Rabbit can cope with psychologically would be far too much for another Rabbit.

Sending many vibes and I am sure that any decisions made today will be in Henry's best interests.
 
My Ru friends,
I have spent all night on the sofa with Henry snuggled into me. He hasn’t chosen to move. We have shared conversations and memories together. I have kept him warm and safe and close and tried my very best to show how much we love him.
It is 6am and Henry has slipped away from us.
I am heartbroken and uncontrollably sobbing. Henry cherished life - however short that has been for him. He has been a wonderful husbun for Lillian.
He is at peace now. He is calm and hopefully doing loads of Henry zoomies at the bridge.
He takes a huge piece of my heart with him and I hope that you would remember Henry in your hearts.
I am sorry I could not make him better.
I will need to go now- I am unable to type anymore or see through my tears.
 
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