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FLYSTRIKE - owners please use my recent experience and beware....

ShelliJane

New Kit
Morning all! I'm completely new to forums of any kind but wanted to share my first ever experience of the dreaded flystrike with you in the hope it encourages just one person to be extra vigilant & therefore perhaps making the difference between life & death for your bunny...Apologies in advance for the LONG message, but all the detail needs to be put across I think to show the true picture of the behaviour my little bunny displayed & how things unfolded....

I had a day off work Friday. With the awful weather, I was out several times backwards and forwards to my bunny (Olly, 2 years old) who was of course, sat in his hutch feeling & looking v.miserable. I tried everything to get him out for a brief run, but being the pampered little man he is his refusal to get his paws wet did not strike me as odd at all. What did, after a few more visits, was his inability to 'settle'. Cold & wet days mean he normally dozes off much more, but he seemed - I dont know - unable to. This carried on pretty much all day. He was still eating, so again no BIG cause for concern...

In the evening when the rain had stopped Olly STILL refused to come out or indeed even come down the ramp of his hutch on to the garden. I started to think he had some back-leg problem...I picked him up TWICE within the space of an hour & checked underneath him. Nothing, apart from a little amount of poo stuck to him. I carried him over the wet grass on to the dry patio, where he seemed to liven up & had a bit of a run about. He went to the edge of the grass & had a nibble. I convinced myself I was being over sensitive & paranoid. I sat him on my knee & cleaned his bottom, seeing absolutely NOTHING. He did a massive wee on me, something he has never done before. I put him down, let him run back to his hutch to see if he would do the 'normal' thing of darting straight up the ramp where he knows I am knelt beside the hutch ready for his end of day brush before his covers go down & bed time. He didnt. I bought him 'upstairs' in the hutch, brushed him. He normally goes flat out & nods off while I do this but again, I sensed he just couldnt settle. Then I heard him grind his teeth. It was nearly 10pm at this point so covers went down and I went back in the house googling things left right and centre. I knew the grinding teeth was a sign of pain. Flystrike came up on the search but I'd checked him three times and seen nothing! Went off to bed wondering whether I was right to be concerned or imagining the whole thing, waiting to see what the morning would bring. 5:30am Sat morning, he was at the bottom of the hutch, he kinda 'flopped' out on to the grass and I felt he was 'shuffling' along rather than his usual buoyant morning self. I just felt he wasnt his usual hopping/bouncing/pleased-to-see-me personality that I know so well when he greets me in the mornings. He was also tucking his head under him & bringing his back leg forward as if trying to lick or bite/chew, as if something was annoying him & he couldnt reach it. He did this A LOT and I thought that he must be exhausted by it, he was doing it that much. I wondered if he had mites & even tried gently scratching his belly for him, it was clear SOMETHING was irrating him underneath.

As soon as the vets opened at 9am I phoned them & got in for 10am. As soon as I'd made that call however, Olly seemed to liven up again! I saw him go up & down the ramp which he hadnt done for 24 hours! I phoned my mum to report this but she - THANK GOD - insisted I was right to take him & she would come with me for moral support. By the time I sat in the vets at 9:50am, he seemed to be shuddering - not constantly but for a few seconds every now & then. I could faintly hear the teeth grinding. The vet looked under him while I held him & said she believed he had a urine infection, he looked sore so thought his pee was scalding & burning him & I would need to wait while she took him away to be washed & shaved. He is long haired, being a double mane lionhead, pure white with the biggest blue eyes, gorgeous boy. She returned 10 mins later to say the nurses had found maggots when they'd shaved him. Of course knowing & hearing about flystrike, I sat in the waiting room thinking he wouldnt be coming home with me & wondering how on earth this could have happened to my well looked after, spotlessley clean pampered furry friend.

An hour later we were all back in the consultation room, Olly with a red raw, wet, weeping and bloodied back side like raw meet. I burst in to tears at the sight of him, it looked horrific. This is where the maggots had started munching. The vet assured me that he felt better than he did, they'd removed 15 maggots which told her that I'd been very quick to react as there would normally be three times that by the time the owner realises theres a problem. She said another 24 hours however & it would have been fatal for my little man. I bought him home, crying all the way & unable to believe he was coming home with me. We can only hope it was caught in time so as not to have done lasting long term damage. Olly is spending the next 3-5 weeks indoors until his open wounds have healed & he is past the risk of infection, I have to syringe painkillers and antiobiotics once a day & apply a barrier cream. His bottom is already looking a much healthier pink & yesterday he had renewed vigour, even staging a break out from his indoor pen & out of the open kitchen door into the back garden! The vet did say he can go out for 5 mins supervised on dry patio (no grass, no wet), so he had a few bursts yesterday which he enjoyed as he is not used to being so couped up, usually having the freedom of the entire garden & our huge shed which is his favourite playhouse for exploring. I am so paranoid now though, I have left the back door open for him when I've been in, with it being nice weather over the weekend to allow him to look out as he normally would & to feel the breeze on his face, but we have still had the odd small fly coming in & I have been running round like a crazy woman until I know its been swatted or back out the house. I need advice on his future long term protection. I know I can use flysticky tape etc, I know I probably need to give him dry baths instead of wet ones, as maggots thrive on warm moist areas, I know I can put something sticky and sweet near his hutch to draw the flies in and away from him....I also know I cant be 100& fly proof all the time but I feel like just keeping him indoors forever now, something he is not used to at all & already getting agitated at I think (which makes me think he is getting better!). I just wanted to alert ALL bunny owners to not overlook your instincts - the changes in my rabbit were quite small at first, so I could have dismissed them, or kept telling myself that I'd 'see what he was like tomorrow' - tomorrow might never have come for him. I am SO glad I took the action I did when I did, I know theres the fear of the expense of vets for some people and I totally get it - it cost me £71 for all of the above (inc antibiotic, painkillers and barrier cream, plus follow up appointment this Thursday), which was the figure I had expected and a good job I had just been paid, had it been towards the end of the month when I am usually skint (and if I didnt have brilliant parents and boyfriend who I KNOW would have offered to lend me or even pay), then I have to admit I would have been tempted to leave him just 'one more day'. Feel awful to admit it. I saw leaflets in the vet though that they do payment plans, which I think is a brilliant idea. So please, please PLEASE be aware of the subtle signs my rabbit displayed - you KNOW your rabbits personality, what he/she does when you go over first thing in the morning, what he/she does when you brush them, feed them, what they do at night when you see them for the last time before bedtime. If your rabbit is 'off it', please be extra vigilant and know that you will not necessarily SEE the maggots if your rabbit is light or long haired like mine. Even the vet didnt know at first inspection, so please do not assume that they are not there. Please take to a vets who will shave and bath your rabbit & all will become clear from there. If your bunny grinds its teeth, shuffles, seems lathargic & unsettled, please do consider my experience. I always thought I'd KNOW if my bunny got flystrike, apart from the obvious visual telltale signs I thought my bunny would literally be lying like a dead en' on one side etc but no, he ate normally, he moved around albeit a lot less than normal, he let me pick him up. It was small changes, but also this indicated that it was early stage & made the difference between life and death. So sorry for SUCH a long story, but its been on my mind all weekend that I should get this message out to as many owners as possible and in doing so, I have been shocked & surprised at the number of people who have lost bunnies to Flystrike, the first indication of things being REALLY very wrong have been when its too far gone to save them :cry:

Thanks for reading, good luck to all you lovely responsible caring owners who are on this forum becase you care, my little Olly has been treated to a big cardboard castle from Pets at Home which I left him exploring in the kitchen this morning!!! & it was very cute to see him sat on my boyfriends knee Saturday teatime watching the football then boxing! I am a bit worried about long term damage...last night I convinced myself he had gone blind as he was sniffing his way to his food or my hand rather than going straight to it like normal...paranoid and vigilant is what I am!...& also last night I felt he wasnt settling again...& his eyes seems REALLY big! Maybe the medication though...he was fine this morning & managed to creep in & up his new castle toy! So here's hoping.

Big hugs x x x x thanks for reading x x x x x x
 
you did so well to get this sorted. don't know about us being caring rabbit-keepers - you set an excellent example. :wave: swift healing vibes for olly.
 
Hope your bunny starts to feel better soon. I sadly lost one of my bunnies to fly strike. I noticed similar things to you but he was still eating so I wasn't overly worried. I went to work in the morning...he had his breakfast and when I came to put him away later on I couldn't find him. He was behind a door in an outhouse and had already gone into shock. I brought him in the house and laid him down and saw the maggots on him under his fur. They were not that easy to see you had to really part the fur. Anyway I rang my emergency vet and we spent hours shaving and getting the maggots off...he had fluids, pain relief, antibiotic...everything possible. I took him home and he died in my arms about 10 mins after getting back. I was devastated and have felt guilty ever since. It also happened after a spell of hot/wet weather so I think he got wet and flies must have targeted him. Especially look out for the green bottle flies as they are the ones that lay eggs on living flesh unlike blue bottles which only lay eggs on dead flesh.

http://www3.telus.net/conrad/insects/blowfly.html
 
I'm glad your bunny is okay, and thank you for sharing this with us. I've always thought I would be able to see the maggots... I will have to check more carefully from now on.

As regards keeping them away, you can use citronella oil and lavender oil (out of reach of bunnies). When he is all healed you could talk to your vet about rear-guard too, or flyguard - of course that wouldn't be until he is completely healed down there though. I use vinegar to clean the hutch and I think that helps, and of course I also clean out the rabbits every day in hot weather so that there is no smell or poo/wee to attract flies.

I think perhaps the poo stuck to him may have attracted the flies more - is this something that happens regularly? A healthy bunny shouldn't have this problem and I'd be looking at his diet to try and find the cause.
 
Thank you for sharing and I am glad he is recovering.

As a new time bunny owner, this is the one thing I am terrified of :(
 
Thank you for sharing, I hope he makes a full recovery. Sounds like you reacted very quickly which is all any of us can do.

I too have experienced it (she was very poorly which the flies must have sensed) she recoverd from the flystrike but we unfortunatley lost her a week later due to cancer.

I too am paranoid and I have fly screen on the front of my bunnies dog kennel. The danger of this is also you can trap flies in, so I always make sure there are none in with them before I close them up for the night and bum checks too (at least twice a day in warm weather). I also have rearguard in my emergency kit although I do sometimes put this on as a precaution anyway. I also have a fly zapper that I can put in my shed.
 
Thank you for sharing your experience and I too hope Olly makes a full recovery! This is something I live in constant fear of as one of my bunnies has caecal dysbiosis so frequently has a mucky bottom! Fortunately mine are indoors, so hopefully a bit safer, but all it takes is one pesky fly!

ETA: welcome to the forum :wave:
 
Thank you for sharing and welcome to the forum. :wave:

I hope Olly makes a full recovery. xx
 
Wow so pleased this story had a happy ending.

Doughnut has a poopy bum at the moment due to her medicine. The vets gave her a good clean up by shaving her but said if she had been outside she would have definitely got flystrike.

I've now got sheer net curtains and put them round her run outside so no flys can get in although she is clean now and I didn't put her out when I knew she was dirty. She hates being picked up and since she's been unwell I don't want to stress her more. I check her bum when she's engrossed in eating now.
 
I did want mosquito netting but couldn't find any big enough to cover her run so got two net curtains cut from the roll and then tuck them underneath.
 
Wow so pleased this story had a happy ending.

Doughnut has a poopy bum at the moment due to her medicine. The vets gave her a good clean up by shaving her but said if she had been outside she would have definitely got flystrike.

I've now got sheer net curtains and put them round her run outside so no flys can get in although she is clean now and I didn't put her out when I knew she was dirty. She hates being picked up and since she's been unwell I don't want to stress her more. I check her bum when she's engrossed in eating now.

My bunny really really hates to be picked up too and I've never managed it yet, so I worry about being able to check him over. Even the vets struggle with him a little.

How do you manage to check while she's eating?
 
She sort of bends over the bowl and sometimes stretches a bit so I just get on my hands and knees and then lift her tail up lightly and look underneath. It's not ideal but I can see if there is any poop stuck to her.

I've been given some solution to gently clean her bum and her legs but the nurse had her on the table and had her under her arm pressed against her body so Doughnut couldn't go anywhere. I was going to try it on the floor so that her head is facing away from me but it's just impossible. She is too fast to get her in the position in the first place!

When I go to the specialist again I will have a good look then to see how clean she is and then can always go to the rabbit clinic to get another clean up. I wish I could do it but it's too stressful for both of us and since she's unwell I want to leave her be as much as possible.

She also lays out with her back legs out and her paws at the front stretched out with her head on them. I can then normally see how poopy her bum is then.

I'm hoping since she has been shaved and it's the fecal poop that is loose which isn't stickly that she won't get it again. I would like to clean her legs though of urine but hopefully that will also all clear up when she is dry.

I can pick up her and turn her on her back sometimes to get a look but I can't clean her as well and like I said I don't do this often as she hates it.
 
Thank you! My bunny is an indoor bun but hopefully he will get to go outside sometimes so I'd like to be able to check him. (I'm waiting for a run which should be delivered TODAY!)

My vet said 'pick him up like a rugby ball, with his head tucked in your armpit' - which is all very well when he's on a table but not so easy when he's on the floor!
 
Exactly, most of the vets and nurses have had trouble with Doughnut. When she's on the table she's fine but I said to one of her it's a different story on the floor and because she's not scared of me!

The nurse put her on the floor then couldn't catch her, had to throw a towel over her. It was funny but she got my point.

To pick them up you scoop under their body and with the other hand support their bum.

I think the best way may be to have her between your legs when you are kneeling down so she can't go anywhere then you have access to her bum. The trouble is getting in this position in the first place. If there is two of you it is a lot easier.
 
I'm so glad you got him to the vets on time :wave: well done for noticing :wave: and i hope you stick around on here, it's fab :wave:
 
Thank you everyone for the kinds words and for the advice about the citronella, will look in to that one. I have since read up about the rearguard thing which can protect for ten weeks apparently, so definitely worth discussing Thursday at his follow up. I wondered about asking the vet whether she would be willing to keep him trimmed and shaved underneath (I darent ever do it myself, the skin being so thin and all') so I could see any maggots should it reoccur (please, never ever again!!!) or whether she would think this left him more prone to infection, not having his long thick fur as a barrier. I'm just scared that if it happened again I wouldnt be able to see them, as happened this time. I really thought he had an infection of some kind, but never this. I clean him out every single day before work through winter and summer, owing to being such a general OCD cleaning freak in every day life!!!! He always gets some mess stuck to him I have to admit but its never so stuck that I cant get it off with a warm wet j-cloth (something I wont be doing again however and I've read up about 'dry powder' baths?! Have seen some clay powder used for chinchillas sold in pets at home as they cant have wet baths, apparently anything stuck will simply slide off after using this? Another thing I will discuss with the vet when we return Thurs, I'm nervous as hell to do anything off my back without consulting her first now!!). When I first got him, I was advised by the breeders to feed him as follows, which I have always stuck to: -

Hay and grass (they said rabbits will NEVER go hungry as long as they have these two things!)
Egg cup full of pellets
Portion of fresh veg/salad items

Over the years I have experimented on the veg/salad items....he isnt massively in to carrots/tops, celery, apples, any of the things I have read other rabbits enjoy, he just sniffs at them and turns away. He is quite a picky eater, I will buy him the seed bar things that you hang inside the cage and one day he loves them, the next it can be there for weeks untouched and I end up throwing it away. He does love watercress though which I try and keep to a handful a day, given in two seperate servings (one in a morning and one at night time). Maybe this needs to stop though. I mentioned to the vet about his picky eating, she said same about grass and hay being really all he needs, thats all he would have access to in the wild etc etc.....she said to cut the grass for him while he is being kept indoors which made me laugh, I cut it for him every day the lazy little so and so will only nibble a tiny amount but when I cut him a handful he is hanging out of his hutch practically desperate for me to take it over and he soon wolfs it down! I mentioned how he doesnt seem to drink much either, but she said same again about rabbits not having really acclimatised to being pets yet and go ages without water in the wild etc. Think he takes his water from his food etc...although since he has been indoors I can hear the 'click click' of the water bottle which was good, I was verging on giving him some water in the syringe on Saturday when he had been through so much!

Cant wait for work to finish now, to get home and see how he is doing and give him the next dose of medicines. Such a brave little soldier, I am very proud of him and will do whatever I can to ensure a happy and healthy life for him, he really does deserve it ;)
 
Thank you everyone for the kinds words and for the advice about the citronella, will look in to that one. I have since read up about the rearguard thing which can protect for ten weeks apparently, so definitely worth discussing Thursday at his follow up. I wondered about asking the vet whether she would be willing to keep him trimmed and shaved underneath (I darent ever do it myself, the skin being so thin and all') so I could see any maggots should it reoccur (please, never ever again!!!) or whether she would think this left him more prone to infection, not having his long thick fur as a barrier. I'm just scared that if it happened again I wouldnt be able to see them, as happened this time. I really thought he had an infection of some kind, but never this. I clean him out every single day before work through winter and summer, owing to being such a general OCD cleaning freak in every day life!!!! He always gets some mess stuck to him I have to admit but its never so stuck that I cant get it off with a warm wet j-cloth (something I wont be doing again however and I've read up about 'dry powder' baths?! Have seen some clay powder used for chinchillas sold in pets at home as they cant have wet baths, apparently anything stuck will simply slide off after using this? Another thing I will discuss with the vet when we return Thurs, I'm nervous as hell to do anything off my back without consulting her first now!!). When I first got him, I was advised by the breeders to feed him as follows, which I have always stuck to: -

Hay and grass (they said rabbits will NEVER go hungry as long as they have these two things!)
Egg cup full of pellets
Portion of fresh veg/salad items

Over the years I have experimented on the veg/salad items....he isnt massively in to carrots/tops, celery, apples, any of the things I have read other rabbits enjoy, he just sniffs at them and turns away. He is quite a picky eater, I will buy him the seed bar things that you hang inside the cage and one day he loves them, the next it can be there for weeks untouched and I end up throwing it away. He does love watercress though which I try and keep to a handful a day, given in two seperate servings (one in a morning and one at night time). Maybe this needs to stop though. I mentioned to the vet about his picky eating, she said same about grass and hay being really all he needs, thats all he would have access to in the wild etc etc.....she said to cut the grass for him while he is being kept indoors which made me laugh, I cut it for him every day the lazy little so and so will only nibble a tiny amount but when I cut him a handful he is hanging out of his hutch practically desperate for me to take it over and he soon wolfs it down! I mentioned how he doesnt seem to drink much either, but she said same again about rabbits not having really acclimatised to being pets yet and go ages without water in the wild etc. Think he takes his water from his food etc...although since he has been indoors I can hear the 'click click' of the water bottle which was good, I was verging on giving him some water in the syringe on Saturday when he had been through so much!

Cant wait for work to finish now, to get home and see how he is doing and give him the next dose of medicines. Such a brave little soldier, I am very proud of him and will do whatever I can to ensure a happy and healthy life for him, he really does deserve it ;)

What your vet is saying isn't strictly true, although it is a popular myth. In the wild rabbits may not have access to a stream/river all day, but as their main food is grass they get most of their liquid from that. They also are most active at dawn and dusk - which is when the grass is covered in dew. This is also the reason that rabbits that are fed a lot of greens or rabbits that have access to grass all day will generally drink less than ones with an all-dry diet. How much is he actually drinking in ml per day and how much does he weigh? If you feel he is not drinking enough, give him a bowl. The bottles only let a drop of water out at a time, which can be frustrating for buns and can lead to them not drinking enough. Drinking from a bowl is much more natural for them - do make sure it is a heavy bowl though, as many buns will knock them. I use the biggest size brown ceramic dog bowls.

The mess stuck to his bum is worrying and will make him a future target for flies, and it also indicates that something is not quite right with him gut. It would be useful if you could identify whether they are just caecotrophs that he isn't eating or misformed/wet poos. It is likely his diet but the basics of his diet do seem okay... although some bunnies' tummies are much more sensitive than others. The fact that he often goes off foods that he usually loves is a little worrying too - does he do this with hay and pellets as well? What you need to do is find the cause, and you can do that by cutting out just one thing at a time. Also, I would definitely get rid of those seed treats for good - they are full of sugar and fat and are high in protein - they are really unhealthy for bunnies and are not good for their guts at all. The same goes for most commercial treats, I'm afraid, if it is not in a wild rabbit's diet then chances are it's not great for them. Healthy treats like dried herbs and forage and safe sticks are much better (although don't add anything new into his diet until you find what is making his tummy dodgy).

Can I ask what brand of pellets you use? And does he eat a pile of hay the size of himself every day? Sometimes gut issues can be caused not by feeding the wrong things, but by the bunny not eating enough hay. In this case there are various things that you can do to encourage him, the most simple being giving fresh hay every few hours, finding a hay which he loves to eat and mixing herbs into the hay.

If your bunny is a good hay eater, there is a quick way that should stop the mucky bum, which might be preferable seeing as he will be getting mess on his wound. You simply cut the bunny down to just hay and water for a few days and wait for the mucky bum to stop... I usually carry on with the hay-only diet until 48 hours after any dodgy poos. Then you very very slowly start to add things back into the diet one at a time, starting with pellets. If you find that the mucky bottom comes back, then you have found the culprit and you know what the problem is. It may be something in particular, or it may be too much of something.
 
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