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Treatment for Cylap rection? - Picture link

PoorBenji said:
OK, the upload thing I just can't work out as far as getting the pic on here goes, but here is a link to the picture.

It doesn't show it all, because a lot of it is now under his chin:cry:




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CAN ANY ONE HELP OP WITH THE IMAGE - I HAVE TRIED AND FAILED (and accidentally got stuck on CAPS!!!!)
 
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Poor lad :cry:

As I said in the PM if this has recurred after full healing from the first reaction then I would say there is something more going on now.
Certainly he should be receiving daily anti-inflammatory analgesia.

Given that the Vet you use has said 'Metacam must not be given for more than 5 consecutive days' I personally would question how experienced they are with Rabbit specific Veterinary Medicine, hence my feeling that a request for a referral to a Specialist would be advisable.

IMO I would not feel happy with just giving steroids in this situation :?
 
It definitely was after full healing. He was as fit as a fiddle only a day before this damn thing reappeared. You would not have even known the site of the previous sore unless it had been pointed out where the fur was a little shorter.

But I have heard from another member who had this recur in at least one rabbit. I don't think it's that unusual.
As the vet said last night 'we put that stuff in him and there is nothing we can do to take it out. It's working away inside him and we don't really know what's going on'.

At least he is honest:cry:
 
PoorBenji said:
It definitely was after full healing. He was as fit as a fiddle only a day before this damn thing reappeared. You would not have even known the site of the previous sore unless it had been pointed out where the fur was a little shorter.

But I have heard from another member who had this recur in at least one rabbit. I don't think it's that unusual.
As the vet said last night 'we put that stuff in him and there is nothing we can do to take it out. It's working away inside him and we don't really know what's going on'.

At least he is honest:cry:
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Can he contact the Manufacturers Veterinary advisor :

Pfizer Limited
Address: Ramsgate Road
Sandwich
Kent CT13 9NJ
Telephone: 0845 300 8034 (Out of hours: 01304 616161)
Fax: 01737 332521
Email: UKVetLine@pfizer.com
Website: www.pfizerah.co.uk

Or Bristol Rabbit Clinic:

http://www.langfordvets.co.uk/rabbit_disease.htm


Has Benji been prescribed Metacam now ?
 
I cycled home early from work yesterday to make sure he had it when I realised there was no need to stop giving it to him.

He loves the stuff - licks it out of a little bowl and then picks it up and chucks it at me to see if I will give him any more:D

Is it Pfizer that make Cylap? I thought that was Fort Dodge?
 
I have had a look at that rabbit clinic site, and made a note of their fax number for vet's enquiries:thumb:

If I'm not happy on Friday that things are any better then I will ask our vet to contact them, or at least if they would think about it.
As they admit they have never seen a Cylap reaction before I don't see how I can have confidence they know how to treat it!

ETA:

just checked and yes Pfizer now own Dodge (or t'other way round), so all that info has been copied too.
I can't see that they can refuse to contact them really.
 
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PoorBenji said:
I have had a look at that rabbit clinic site, and made a note of their fax number for vet's enquiries:thumb:

If I'm not happy on Friday that things are any better then I will ask our vet to contact them, or at least if they would think about it.
As they admit they have never seen a Cylap reaction before I don't see how I can have confidence they know how to treat it!
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Also, and I know this is not as important as getting Benji better, but as your Vet has recorded this as an adverse reaction to the Vaccine the Manufacturers should pay for any treatment given. Or at least make a contribution towards treatment. This may become more of an issue for you should Benji require referral to a Specialist.

I do hope that the Metacam calms things down for the poor boy.

I dont know if the addition of an antihistimine might be of any help too :?
 
The vet accepted responsibility from the outset and has not charged us a penny.
I suspect he has gone to the manufacturers for reimbursement.

I don't hold out hope that the Metacam will perform wonders, he has after all been on it for several days and only missed one day's dose. I think it's just a sort of background pain relief really, although I dare say it should help calm inflammation. There doesnt appear to be anything we can give him which is any species orf magic bullet - the bun has to get over it on his own, with our help to make sure he isnt in too much pain and that he doesnt get an infection.

Having had another look at the state of Fionaw's rabbits after Cylap, I am more optimistic that we may be able to get him through it today than I was yesterday. He is very similar to the worst of her cases.
 
It was when my vet saw that they were saying half the vaccinated rabbits could expect some kind of reaction that he apologised and said that had been recently updated, he hadn't seen it before.

Of course there is still no mention that some animals don't get a 'swelling' - they get a huge festering 'burn' which eats into their flesh and leads to skin necrosis.

Can't see a peep about that:censored:

Neither do I believe, from reading here and elsewhere, that there are only a few of us affected.

A question - are English spots more prone to this? They seem to feature quite heavily in photos and postings. Perhaps they have a genetic problem with this stuff?
 
I know I am nagging :)roll::roll::roll::roll:) but as speciliast appointments and referrals can take a while to get together whether at a large vet hospital or a more local secondary opinion (see my PM) I really would not wait till Friday but ring the vets and ask asap for them to start a referral process.

When I needed a referral to GWR hospital for Damsons kidney it was 2 weeks wait and that was for a really difficult early morning slot (difficult as we live in cambridge and it was a 5 hour drive!).

Even local specialist referalls may mean a weeks delay.My own rabbit specialist vet is only in at present on Mon , Weds and Fridays afternoons and gets very very booked up (and the other rabbit specialist at my surgery is off sick long term at present) .

I think I am right in saying that asking for a second opinion from a relatively local vet is easier than a referral to the specialist hospitals - but you may end up at a hospital eventually anyway. Its up to YOU (not your vet - they should do what you ask in thus situation as they have confessed to be stumped) which way you try for.

If the pain and necrotic tissue start to spread rapidly Benji will stop eating and the gut issues will make him a much worse candidate for intensive treatment. It is often the not-eating and serious complications from that that causes real problems.

Don't want to scare you but treatment and thus referral really has to be prompt.
 
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I'm actually thinking of taking him in again tonight, if I can get in, and talking to them about trying to cover it with a body bandage and padded dressing, as suggested by PM.
I don't see we have a chance unless he can be persuaded to leave it alone. It's bigger, not massively so, but still bigger.:cry:
 
PoorBenji said:
Of course there is still no mention that some animals don't get a 'swelling' - they get a huge festering 'burn' which eats into their flesh and leads to skin necrosis.

Can't see a peep about that:censored:
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It does mention it incase of human injection, which is interesting. :?
 
We are going just after six, I am taking in the numbers you gave me for the pfizer advice line and also the fax advice line for the specialist rabbit folk in Bristol.

And I am going to ask that they try to bandage it.

Thanks sooz.

I have to say, I don't think it really does the full horror of it justice.
 
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OK, latest update is, vet convinced that bandage will do no good because he will have it off in a trice.
Says Fuciderm is not a steroid but an anti-bacterial, and while a perfectly good treatment it should be covered by the Bytril an there is always the lick-off problem.

But more than happy - to the point of kicking himself for not thinking of it sooner - to refer us to an 'exotics' practice nearby which has a good reputation for rabbits.:D
That is set up for tomorrow. It will cost us, but I intend to try to recoup from the manufacturer. If anyone has any advice on the best way to do that, please let me know.

Turns out so far our vets have made no claim to Pfizer despite treating Benji for free - I told them they damn well should do!!
 
PoorBenji said:
OK, latest update is, vet convinced that bandage will do no good because he will have it off in a trice.
Says Fuciderm is not a steroid but an anti-bacterial, and while a perfectly good treatment it should be covered by the Bytril an there is always the lick-off problem.

But more than happy - to the point of kicking himself for not thinking of it sooner - to refer us to an 'exotics' practice nearby which has a good reputation for rabbits.:D
That is set up for tomorrow. It will cost us, but I intend to try to recoup from the manufacturer. If anyone has any advice on the best way to do that, please let me know.

Turns out so far our vets have made no claim to Pfizer despite treating Benji for free - I told them they damn well should do!!
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Fuciderm does contain a steroid- Betamethasone

http://www.noahcompendium.co.uk/Dechra_Veterinary_Products/Fuciderm_Gel_for_Dogs/-36467.html

I would get something in writing from your Vet re the sequence of events after the VHD Vaccination. Then when you see the Specialist I'd request a copy of the clinical notes and submit them, along with a covering letter making your claim to Pfizer.

Good luck tomorrow xx
 
Fuciderm does contain a steroid- Betamethasone

So it damn well does!!

How glad am I that Benji is seeing a specialist tomorrow!
 
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