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I am right about Kizzy- medical question.-not good news, post 28.

Kizzy gets her last sub cut fluids at 10 tonight, she is back in the vets tomorrow to see if she is fit for the op. Her bottom has totally dried up and she is eating like a horse, so wish us luck.
I, personally, hope she is fit, although I am terrified at the same time, but I would rather she was dealt with than left waiting poss ibly reducing her chances of survival.
She has turned into such a sweet bunny in such a short time, I really hope we can pull her through and give her some stress free, happy years with a loving companion.

This was Kizzy on arrival-
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her hutch, and this was clean-
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Oh crikey! :shock::shock::shock:how awful, thank goodness you took her in

Good luck for the morning and I really hope she does well, please keep us updated, sending loads of vibes for her
 
Just another quick update- Kizzy is in the vets today, waiting for her op, she has lost some weight since we got her and the vet is worried about this. I am just waiting on tenderhooks until I get a call. The ops list is quite big, so I've no idea when they'll even start. Will let you know when we hear anything.
 
I'm also thinking of you Hugo's there, hope things turn out OK.

Happy hopping, we have 13 buns and they are all rescues or rehomes.

At the moment we have-
Treacle (came to us with her son, thin and in a filthy cage0

Oddeye, who we initially fostered for a rescue, he was part of an unplanned litter. We kept him because we fell in love with him. He and Treacle are a pair.

Runt, Oddeye's brother, he was the runt of the litter and started to become very aggressive, so we kept him.

Kizzy, we got her in July, she was my sister's neighbour's rabbit. The owner was reported at least twice to the SSPCA and my sister used to sneak in to the garden to feed and water her. She finally accosted the owner and 'forced' her to hand Kizzy over.
We are hoping to bond Kizzy and Runt, is she is OK.

Thumper, was a foster and we fell in love with him.

Molly, was a foster, very nervous and aggressive so we kept her and bonded her with Thumper.

Snowy is a cashmere lop, he was a foster, his owner was on drugs and he was housed next to a ferret. He was aggressive so we kept him, also his coat was a mess.

Jessica was rehomed to us as her owner couldn't keep up with her grooming, she is an angora loinhead cross.

Jess was rehomed to us as her owner was moving abroad. We took her as she had dental problems and had already lost an eye to an abcess.

Snowy, Jessica and and Jess live together as a trio.

Milly, is Molly's sister, she was also aggressive, but it turns out she has eyesight problems, and was paired happily with Smokey, until we lost him a few weeks ago.

Sorrell's original owner was a drug addict, she was then taken in by somebody who couldn't afford a cage and had friends with staffies, who came to visit and terified her. After she fell off a windowsil and broke her leg, he finally decided she would be better off elsewhere. All this before she was a year old. We were asked to take her and she is an extremely nervous bun.

Xena was found dumped in a playing field, she is very aggressive so we kept her.

Ziggy is the new boy on the block, we picked him up on Sunday. He was advertised 'free to good homme due to allergy'. I had been asked to advise the owner previous on how to handle aggressive rabbits, so I was worried about his future.

This is just the rabbits, could bore you with the stories about all the other rescue animals we have. (70+)
 
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Not good news for Kizzy, I'm afraid.
The vet opened her up and found a few serious issues. Firstly she has been spayed, the horns of her uterus were normal, but the neck of it was enlarged.
More seriously, her ceacum is huge and packed full of fibrous material, the vets thought she was in ileus, but I said she is eating and passing normally, so they are not sure what is going on.
Her pancreas is also enlarged, they are not sure if it is a tumour, but it has strange nodules on it.
Her bloods did show raised glucose levels, but they again aren't sure if this is stress related.
The vet is going to call somebody who has specialist in exotics to see if she has any suggestions, eg, could Kizzy be diabetic. She has no abdominal fat.
I persauded them to let me take her home, as I can do all the injections needed, she will be checked constantly overnight and I can call the vet if there are any problems anyway. I would rather she was in familiar sorroundings under constant supervision.

I have also persauded the vet to give her a B12 injection, because the if the ceacum is compromised, she could well be B12 deficient. I will do no harm anyway.

Right guys, I need your help.
Has anybody heard of or had a diabetic bunny.
If she is lacking in pancreatic enzymes, is there anything else we can do.
If here ceacum is distended and blocked up, what does this mean in the long run.
Any ideas welcome.

She has had painkiller, gut stimulant, B12 injection, fibreplex and sub cut fluids. I will continue with treatment overnight and try to get her eating, any other thoughts, please.
 
Good grief, poor Kizzy. Sorry I can't help much on the medical side but want to say I am thinking of you and Kizzy.

FYI - my vet told me to not to give too much pineapple juice as it could cause diabetes (very rare but is possible).

I hope she will be OK.
 
Poor Kizzy, I'm glad she has made it through the op though :)

Diabetes in rabbits is rare but not completely unheard of, but it seems more likely that raised glucose is stress or pain related

The only thing I know about impacted ceaceums is they need plenty of fluids preferably by IV. I know Kizzy has been dehydrated for a while so this may fit in.

Hector had pancreas/liver problems and was also chronically dehydrated which the vet said was definately caused by the liver and pancreas not working properly.

Don't know if any of that helps at all :)
 
Thanks, Hugo's there, anything helps at this period of time.
If the impaction is because she has been dehydrated, it (maybe stupidly) makes me feel a bit better, as presumably if we rehyrdate her it will sort itself out. She was well hydrated this morning after getting fluid all weekend, and we are continuing them over the next few days anyway.
Perhaps I'm just hoping against hope, but because there is obviously something wrong with her pancreas and she has lost a lot of weight, although eating well, and her glucose was high, if it was diabetes, we might be able to treat it? I guess I'll need to get a urine sample next.:shock:
How did Lola get on?
 
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Francies hardcourt-Brown recommends liquid parrafin and feeding watery veg like lettuce and fruits to help with the impaction :)

I hope you have better luck than me with the urine sample :lol:

Lola came through fine thank you, but the xray didn;t show as much damage to her spine as we thought given the weakness in her back legs. So it seems likely it is also a neurological problem.

Just have 2 spays to get through tomorrow now

Sending more vibes for Kizzy
 
halfpenny said:
Thanks, Hugo's there, anything helps at this period of time.
If the impaction is because she has been dehydrated, it (maybe stupidly) makes me feel a bit better, as presumably if we rehyrdate her it will sort itself out. She was well hydrated this morning after getting fluid all weekend, and we are continuing them over the next few days anyway.
Perhaps I'm just hoping against hope, but because there is obviously something wrong with her pancreas and she has lost a lot of weight, although eating well, and her glucose was high, if it was diabetes, we might be able to treat it? I guess I'll need to get a urine sample next.:shock:
How did Lola get on?
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I dont think Diabetes is likely as the pancreas of a Rabbit does not have such an important role in glucose metabolism as it does in other species :?
Did her blood test reveal anything else other than raised glucose levels?

This may be of interest:

http://homepage.mac.com/mattocks/morfz/myco.html
 
Hi Jane, thanks for that, she was certainly not looked after before we got her, so god knows what she has been fed, but I can't find anything that really describes her.

Hopefully this will help give a few more clues about her condition.
She was (not tonight yet!) eating like a horse before her op, she really loves her carrots and spinach, museli and even takes hay- don't think she was ever fed it at her previous home.

Her droppings are normal and regular.

Her bloods showed raised urea levels, but the creatine was fine, her glucose leves were high and her ALTK levels were low, although the vets weren't surprised about this due to the weight/muscle loss.

She maybe drinking more than we would think normal, but as she is relatively new, we don't really know what is HER normal.

She was given a dental just after we got her and recovered really well from her op, the vets found nothing to worry about, although I suppose they were concentrating on her head, not her body.

She seems to have lost weight, fairly quickly over the past month, and has had a wet tail for the past week, initially we weren't sure is she was just sitting in her water bowl (we gave her a bowl and bottle, as we weren't sure if she would use a bottle), and it didn't smell like urine.

Any ideas?

I've also left the vet to try and find out about pancreatic insufficiency and gut acidity- in some species I believe that the pancreas aids in decreasing acidity of the gut.
Drove them mad tonight asking about zantac, pancreatic enzyme replacment and diabetes.:lol:

It was also quite nice, because the vet who saw Kizzy on Friday was off today and he text the vet who did the op today to see how she got on. I got a call from another vet- not the one operating- in the middle of the op to let me know what they had found.
 
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Sorry Jane, just looked at the first page the link opened up to, didn't realise there was more to see.:lol:
Will go and look now.
 
halfpenny said:
I'm also thinking of you Hugo's there, hope things turn out OK.

Happy hopping, we have 13 buns and they are all rescues or rehomes.
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what's the name of your rescue center? What's the link? How come you don't post the link at the bottom of your signature?
 
What a rollercoaster of a ride for you. You are doing such a good job with Kizzy. I am sending huge amounts of vibes for her. xx
 
We don't have a rescue centre, it is all done privately. We do have a website but it is very out of date- my plan is to catch up and re-do it over the winter.

Got a but of a shock when I went into Kizzy this morning, she was sitting upright all evening and at 3 this morning. When I went in at 6 she was flat out and I had to touch her to get her up. I was very worried.

Gave her the fibreplex, metacam, metochloprimde and 60mls of sub cut fluids.
Picked some grass and washed it and the spinach in warm water, grated a carrot, and she's EATING. Her bed was full of poohs, so hopefully that's the first step, the next is to keep her eating and hydrated, and then decide how we are going to treat her. I'm busy heating up the 3 snugglepads i put in the dog cage with her.:lol:

I am so tired, I'm on holiday next week I think I need it.
 
Is Kizzy indoor? If not, I would keep Kizzy indoor w/ a higher room temp. like a oil heater. The heat bump up her immune system
 
Poor Kizzy, I'm sure you are doing everything possible for her. It was such a big op for an old bunny its probably exhausted her, I'm sure she will pick up soon with all your care and attention :)
 
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