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Are my buns bonded or are they far from it?

CptDusty

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Yet another “I need help bonding” post. There was one similar to my situation but it is very old and dead. So I’m adding mine to the pile. If you have the time to read it all and offer insight, it would mean a lot. I’ll try to keep it brief as possible.

M/F fixed, approx 4 years old, lop and Dwarf. Approx 2 years of bonding, with some pauses caused by moving and new jobs. read all the guides, watched videos, asked specialists, etc. so we know all the methods and terminology.

Female(F) is the dominant, and is very quiet, shy, but a little assertive at times.

Male(M) is very energetic, curious, and affectionate. Loves attention and grooming and pets from us.

We’ve tried every method, location, trick, stressful and non stressful bonding technique available and I still don’t trust them alone. We’ve done 4 overnight attempts, 2 led to major fights at night, one was successful. So we went for a second consecutive night, which led to 2 serious fights and had to be separated finally. In their past fights, he has had to go to the vet for a big gash, and has had multiple other scabs and cuts from her.

HERES THE ISSUE - they can go hours in perfection. Grooming, cuddling, flops, sharing everything including food and litter. But in an instant, the female can get bored or annoyed and bite. When she does, the male doesn’t hop away, he gets defensive and bites back, which = tornado. This equation has gone on for months on end now. Idk why she suddenly snaps, or why he feels the need to bite back. But it leads me to be terrified that if I combine them, I will someday come home to the male bloodied and terrified in a corner.

So that’s the question, what the hell do I do with them? We are moving soon but this time only one can come, meaning they have to be bonded in one carrier or someone goes. And I have accepted either solution.

EDIT: Just want to chime in and thank you all for advice. I was nervous this site may not even be legit since I’d never heard of it, let alone actually populated with helpful people. Thank you all, I will read and try to answer as much as I can.

Thanks, -J
 
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Personally if a bonding attempt results in an injury needing Veterinary treatment/suturing/surgery I do not keep trying. Some Rabbits just don’t like each other and IMO should not be endlessly forced to live together.

How big is the area they live in?

If you are soon to be moving and only taking one Rabbit with you I see no point in trying to bond them before the move. Unless I have mis-understood your last paragraph.
 
I agree with Inspector Morse. Have you any other animals which go up to the cage/enclosure and cause them to fall out?
 
I'm sorry you've had such a rough time trying to get them to live together. They don't sound bonded to me. If they're like this after 2 years of trying to bond them I think they're just never going to be friends. Bunnies deserve to be bonded to a companion who they actually like and enjoy being with, not just someone they might tolerate (and it sounds like they don't even do that), so I think it'd be best if you stopped trying to make this work, and found a way they can each have a bonded companion they'll love being with, whether that's with you or someone else, since you already said one bunny will have to go if they won't be bonded. I do hope in that case that you can find a good home for the bunny yourself, since the rescues are sadly already beyond full.
 
Are you sure they are both fixed? The reason I ask is I have read a post or two where owners were given false information.
I am sorry your bunnies will not bond and agree they may each need other partners.
Do you mean they must be in the same carrier to travel? or at your new location?
 
I wouldn't continue with the bonding. They are not getting on and it could well end in serious injury.
 
No the paragraph is a pretty abbreviated but accurate summary unfortunately. I’m ashamed and embarrassed by the whole thing, from me potentially not trying hard enough, to them hurting eachother, etc. it’s been a sore spot that I’ve been too soft about for too long.

They currently have typical 4x4 pens next to eachother, with clear sight and smell, and swap everything daily. We have a baby gate that splits our apt (flat?) in 2, so one is in the bedrooms /hall and one is in the living room/ dining/ kitchen. They have plenty of space here - but neither deserves to not have the whole space imo. They deserve to roam the full space if possible.
 
No other animals. Just them. Sometimes I fear that because it’s taken so long - they’ve both decided they own the place. And are both territorial for the same spaces.
 
I'm sorry you've had such a rough time trying to get them to live together. They don't sound bonded to me. If they're like this after 2 years of trying to bond them I think they're just never going to be friends. Bunnies deserve to be bonded to a companion who they actually like and enjoy being with, not just someone they might tolerate (and it sounds like they don't even do that), so I think it'd be best if you stopped trying to make this work, and found a way they can each have a bonded companion they'll love being with, whether that's with you or someone else, since you already said one bunny will have to go if they won't be bonded. I do hope in that case that you can find a good home for the bunny yourself, since the rescues are sadly already beyond full.

Thank you for the insight. It hurts to hear but is an idea I’ve been avoiding for too long.. I just kept putting up with it because I didn’t want to rehome. But yes - we have started probing for people who can take one of them and will be good bun parents. That way they both finally get to experience having an entire home to themselves without splitting and nerves.
 
Are you sure they are both fixed? The reason I ask is I have read a post or two where owners were given false information.
I am sorry your bunnies will not bond and agree they may each need other partners.
Do you mean they must be in the same carrier to travel? or at your new location?


Hello, thanks for replying.

They were both fixed at the same reputable vet, and both came back with visible signs of surgery, the male does not hump anything and female has no dewlap or nesting habits. So I would gamble they are spayed - but I actually did wonder that myself at one point lol

Yes its just me and the flights only allow one pet carrier. Meaning I’d have to do two flights or it’s a 19 hour drive in separate carriers.

Also - it just seems like a point where I need to finally make a decision and stop stalling. I’ve been sort of ignoring this issue for so long because I love them and keep holding out hope. But I’d also be happy knowing they both finally have relaxed solo lives in separate households.
 
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Thank you for the insight. It hurts to hear but is an idea I’ve been avoiding for too long.. I just kept putting up with it because I didn’t want to rehome. But yes - we have started probing for people who can take one of them and will be good bun parents. That way they both finally get to experience having an entire home to themselves without splitting and nerves.
It's very understandable that you didn't want to rehome one of them. It must be very hard to realise one of your beloved bunnies might be happier with someone else, in a different situation. I hope you'll find someone who can give the bunny you'll rehome a good home, and that it'll help you knowing that they'll be taken care of well and will be happy there.
 
Hello, thanks for replying.

They were both fixed at the same reputable vet, and both came back with visible signs of surgery, the male does not hump anything and female has no dewlap or nesting habits. So I would gamble they are spayed - but I actually did wonder that myself at one point lol

Yes its just me and the flights only allow one pet carrier. Meaning I’d have to do two flights or it’s a 19 hour drive in separate carriers.

Also - it just seems like a point where I need to finally make a decision and stop stalling. I’ve been sort of ignoring this issue for so long because I love them and keep holding out hope. But I’d also be happy knowing they both finally have relaxed solo lives in separate households.

If you rehome one of them to a person who is looking for a companion for a single Rabbit they already have and once you have relocated you can adopt another Rabbit to be a companion for the Rabbit you keep then that would be a good outcome. When you get to your new home you could contact a local Shelter who are bound to have lots of single Rabbits in need of a home and a companion. Shelters often offer to help with the bonding process too.
 
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