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Rexripley
20-08-2013, 10:24 PM
I just read my sspca form and we only have 7 days to decide if we are keeping new bun in which we can bring her back

Shes bit him the last three days and Today she went for Alfie again, I thought things were going well and he even licked her, but she just keeps biting and lunging for him all the time, he lost so much fur today :(

He seems stressed around her and wasn't eating
Moved him upstairs tonight and he's back to his usual chirpy self

Need to decide by Friday if she's suitable but it's not looking good, Alfie's such a relaxed lovely guy who wants to be loved, I'm wondering if because she was a "stray" she's not gonna be as relaxed as him :(

I feel awful, I can't keep her if its not working though

ripminnie
20-08-2013, 10:27 PM
Aww it's difficult isn't it :( I'd go with your heart. If I had had a deadline with Molly, I would probably have taken her back, but the longer she stayed the more i felt unable to do that, as I got to know her better. But the bond didn't work out, so I now have 2 single buns instead of 1 :(


I just read my sspca form and we only have 7 days to decide if we are keeping new bun in which we can bring her back

Today she went for Alfie, I thought things were going well and he even licked her, but she just keeps biting and lunging for him all the time, he lost so much fur today :(


He seems stressed around her and wasn't eating
Moved him upstairs tonight and he's back to his usual chirpy self

Need to decide by Friday if she's suitable but it's not looking good, Alfie's such a relaxed lovely guy who wants to be loved, I'm wondering if because she was a "stray" she's not gonna be as relaxed as him :(

I feel awful, I can't keep her if its not working though

nessar
20-08-2013, 10:41 PM
Fur pulling is normal, but make sure you are following all the rules of bonding to the letter and not causing unnecessary problems.

Bit of a strict deadline isn't it :shock: I'd maybe call them and let them know what is going on and ask their advice, will they not do the bonding there?


The thing is, why is she biting him? It must be in reaction to something or have some purpose. Is it fear? Dominance? Is he provoking her? Is she getting territorial over something in the bonding pen?

Rexripley
20-08-2013, 10:43 PM
Fur pulling is normal, but make sure you are following all the rules of bonding to the letter and not causing unnecessary problems.

Bit of a strict deadline isn't it :shock: I'd maybe call them and let them know what is going on and ask their advice, will they not do the bonding there?


The thing is, why is she biting him? It must be in reaction to something or have some purpose. Is it fear? Dominance? Is he provoking her? Is she getting territorial over something in the bonding pen?

He's been ignoring her and just eating around her and she just keeps going for him.
I don't think she can be getting territorial, I have been using another room for the bonding, Alfie once tried to groom her and she went for him

My local sspca don't have bonding facilities :(

I've bonded twice before and seen the fur pulling and nipping but these are turning into full blown fights :(

Vegan_Bunny
20-08-2013, 10:45 PM
He's been ignoring her and just eating around her and she just keeps going for him.
I don't think she can be getting territorial, I have been using another room for the bonding, Alfie once tried to groom her and she went for him

My local sspca don't have bonding facilities :(

I've bonded twice before and seen the fur pulling and nipping but these are turning into full blown fights :(

How big is their bonding area? Is it completely neutral?

Rexripley
20-08-2013, 10:46 PM
How big is their bonding area? Is it completely neutral?

I've been using a dog crate in the kitchen, I'm guessing its 2x2
It's brand new and the buns have never been in the kitchen before

Vegan_Bunny
20-08-2013, 10:53 PM
I've been using a dog crate in the kitchen, I'm guessing its 2x2
It's brand new and the buns have never been in the kitchen before

Did you choose the doe or did your current bun choose her? Are all the things in the crate neutral?

Can you ask and see if there are any rescues/experienced people who can help you bond them?

I think that if they aren't fighting and she isn't hurting your buck, just keep an eye on them. Fur pulling is normal, as is chasing and humping. It's only a problem when they start hurting each other.

Rexripley
20-08-2013, 11:00 PM
Did you choose the doe or did your current bun choose her? Are all the things in the crate neutral?

Can you ask and see if there are any rescues/experienced people who can help you bond them?

I think that if they aren't fighting and she isn't hurting your buck, just keep an eye on them. Fur pulling is normal, as is chasing and humping. It's only a problem when they start hurting each other.

We chose her as she was the only "suitable" option but we took her in a room there with alfie and they just ignored each other. The room was Massive though and alfie just kept running off
It is full blown fights they're having after she bites. Like tumbling over each other and everything :(

nessar
20-08-2013, 11:01 PM
Is it when he is getting near her? Or is she presenting for grooming and he isn't responding maybe? Jealous of food? Is there anything in the dog crate?

If it is when he is getting near her... now I'm no expert but I would go off-book. Alice at Windwhistle Warren doesn't bond in a small space, when I got Annabella she said to put them in a neutral small room with lots of distractions like tunnels, boxes etc, hay and scattered food and not to force them towards each other. This way they can get away from each other. After they are fine in each other's presence, then you restrict the space to a small area.

I know that this goes against the way usually promoted on the forum, but perhaps it may work for your buns? Worth a try, if the alternative is for her to lose her forever home. I used a modified version for Barney and Anna, although they had a pretty easy bond.

Rexripley
20-08-2013, 11:03 PM
Is it when he is getting near her? Or is she presenting for grooming and he isn't responding maybe? Jealous of food? Is there anything in the dog crate?

If it is when he is getting near her... now I'm no expert but I would go off-book. Alice at Windwhistle Warren doesn't bond in a small space, when I got Annabella she said to put them in a neutral small room with lots of distractions like tunnels, boxes etc, hay and scattered food and not to force them towards each other. This way they can get away from each other. After they are fine in each other's presence, then you restrict the space to a small area.

I know that this goes against the way usually promoted on the forum, but perhaps it may work for your buns? Worth a try, if the alternative is for her to lose her forever home. I used a modified version for Barney and Anna, although they had a pretty easy bond.

Its as soon as he goes near here she goes for him which leads to a massive fight :(

Mirth
20-08-2013, 11:06 PM
I would return her as I don't think it will be an easy bond if at all, and alfie sounds like he needs a calm friend. Both sound unhappy. If I were you, I'd put the welfare of your current bunny first and currently being attacked isn't fair on him. :(

Have you thought of a calm male friend if you can't find any females?

nessar
20-08-2013, 11:07 PM
Its as soon as he goes near here she goes for him which leads to a massive fight :(

Might be fear.

Are they okay when separated by bars, like in runs next to each other?

Rexripley
20-08-2013, 11:10 PM
Might be fear.

Are they okay when separated by bars, like in runs next to each other?

They sit as far away from each other as they can. Whenever she moves alfie jumps and moves to the corner :$

Vegan_Bunny
20-08-2013, 11:10 PM
We chose her as she was the only "suitable" option but we took her in a room there with alfie and they just ignore each other. The room was Massive though and alfie just kept running off
It iss full blown fights. Like tumbling over each other and everything :(

Ah ok. Well, perhaps they are not suitable. I'm no expert, but I have heard that ignoring can be a sign that a fight might happen. Fortunately I have never experienced a full blown fight. I would separate for now.

Have you bonded rabbits before? I would definitely ask someone to help you out. They might be able to tell you whether or not it is worth pursuing. Fingers crossed you manage to get things sorted.

Rexripley
20-08-2013, 11:11 PM
Ah ok. Well, perhaps they are not suitable. I'm no expert, but I have heard that ignoring can be a sign that a fight might happen. Fortunately I have never experienced a full blown fight. I would separate for now.

Have you bonded rabbits before? I would definitely ask someone to help you out. They might be able to tell you whether or not it is worth pursuing. Fingers crossed you manage to get things sorted.

I bonded bruce and harley. And alfie and pickles. They were only together a month before she died :(

Ive never seen a full blown bunny fight until this week. Its scary. Even oh said he was upset

Rexripley
20-08-2013, 11:13 PM
I would return her as I don't think it will be an easy bond if at all, and alfie sounds like he needs a calm friend. Both sound unhappy. If I were you, I'd put the welfare of your current bunny first and currently being attacked isn't fair on him. :(

Have you thought of a calm male friend if you can't find any females?

Thats not actually something id considered. Ive always got the impression two boys is a bad mix? Or are two girls worse?

nessar
20-08-2013, 11:16 PM
They sit as far away from each other as they can. Whenever she moves alfie jumps and moves to the corner :$

This might help, I'd definitely try a different approach before giving up entirely.

http://www.windwhistlewarren.org.uk/guides/guiderb.pdf

Best of luck with this, going to bed now x

Rexripley
20-08-2013, 11:24 PM
This might help, I'd definitely try a different approach before giving up entirely.

http://www.windwhistlewarren.org.uk/guides/guiderb.pdf

Best of luck with this, going to bed now x

That link is brilliant! Thank you

Santa
20-08-2013, 11:47 PM
In my experience, a bunny who lunges as soon as they see the other bunny is often scared and has chosen attack as the best form of defence. I have had great success by basically gently holding that bun over the shoulders when the other bun approaches, so that they are unable to lunge at them. It's quite intensive especially for the first few hours, but what we tend to find is that after a period of time, the 'attack' bunny learns that the other rabbit is harmless and (probably!) isn't going to hurt them, so they start to drop their guard a little. You can feel this in their shoulders and so can work with them by slightly loosening the grip from them on. Each time they let the other bun approach without attacking, you can view as a new learning experience that bun has had that they don't need to attack and they don't get hurt. If you feel them tensing and the body language looking as if they are going to lunge and bite, I just hold them back a little, and gently turn the other bun away too if necessary. Often, very aggressive bunnies can turn into very loving partners once they have got over themselves and learnt that the other bunny is an ally not an enemy.

It might be worth giving them a ring and having a chat about the Friday deadline, it's probably designed more for 'I've decided I don't like this one' rather than 'the bond didn't work' but they still presumably need to have an idea so that they can work out accommodation and intakes.

rngpwelfare
21-08-2013, 12:00 AM
I have a 7 day dead line on my form but if someone like you phoned and explained the situation then I'd let it go

BigBunnyBenji
21-08-2013, 08:40 AM
Thats not actually something id considered. Ive always got the impression two boys is a bad mix? Or are two girls worse?

I'd just like to say that I am by no means a bonding expert.

I've read that as long as both boys are neutered, and have been for a while (no hormones hanging around), they should be ok. I thought it was normally bucks who are more laid back, as females usually try and take charge. There is the chance that they might fight, but it sounds like you are already dealing with that anyway. I've seen plenty of examples of bonded bucks, so it can definitely be done. :)

I bonded my Benji and April and they were opposites in personality so it worked really well. Benji was very confident and sure of himself, whereas April is very shy and nervous so she was happy to let him be in charge. I know it's usually the female, but April just has no dominance in her. Maybe you could consider getting a shy(er) bun.

Rexripley
21-08-2013, 09:16 AM
I'd just like to say that I am by no means a bonding expert.

I've read that as long as both boys are neutered, and have been for a while (no hormones hanging around), they should be ok. I thought it was normally bucks who are more laid back, as females usually try and take charge. There is the chance that they might fight, but it sounds like you are already dealing with that anyway. I've seen plenty of examples of bonded bucks, so it can definitely be done. :)

I bonded my Benji and April and they were opposites in personality so it worked really well. Benji was very confident and sure of himself, whereas April is very shy and nervous so she was happy to let him be in charge. I know it's usually the female, but April just has no dominance in her. Maybe you could consider getting a shy(er) bun.

Ill be honest in my bunny experience I always prefer boys. More laid back and loving. Ive only had girls to keep the boys happy haha

Im phoning sspca at ten to see what they say

Ailstar
21-08-2013, 09:19 AM
I don't have any experience bonding but I would say that in this situation you have to go with your gut. If you think she isn't right, then I would take her back, and keep up the search for the perfect bun. I'm sure she will be absolutely perfect for someone else :)

helens
21-08-2013, 01:42 PM
I had problems bonding my bun with his new little friend when they were in a small space. He wasn't being very nice and she ended up terrified. I too was on the verge of taking her back but decided to give the bonding one more go in the hutch and run they would be living in. I neutralised both the hutch and run and bought new toys, bowls and bottles. I then sat in the run with them both and they were both so much more relaxed. They were exploring all the new things and when I offered them spring greens they even ate side by side. They never looked back from that day and are best of friends now. I did spend most of that night outside with a torch though watching them!!!
I know that this is most definitely not the recommended way to bond but the way I look at it is every bunny is different and what works when bonding one pair, won't work for every pair. It might be worth trying them in a larger space as a last resort cos it might just relax them both. Good luck whatever you decide, I know how difficult it is.

Aly&Poppy<3
21-08-2013, 01:48 PM
We adopted Elena from fatfluffs and she was bonded with Leo, 2 days later she kept biting him and we really tried to keep them together but it wasn't happening. Leo is very placid and Elena seemed a bit of a handful for him, we found some scabs where she had bitten him after we took her back :( She was a 1 year old.

Took him back 2 weeks later and he was bonded with Kerbie, another 7 year old male and they haven't fallen out or anything since we brought them home. They've been inseparable. My m/m bond is closer than my m/f pair. I put them in a small space and slowly extended but they probably would have been fine, they really love each other. I used a bigger space with Leo and Elena and it didn't really end well.

It really upset me when we took her back but I had to think about Leo and he was getting stressed with her there. She was lovely on her own but kept going for Leo.

Sarah1989
21-08-2013, 04:51 PM
I have my fingers crossed for you that it works out well for all concerned, whatever that may be.

Rexripley
23-08-2013, 04:30 PM
We came to the decision last night that we had to take her back
Alfie wasn't eating properly around her and was so much happier without her around, she wasn't interested in him at all apart from fighting with him
Maybe it was too early for me to get a new bunny to bond after pickles but its never been this hard before

I feel like I've failed her and even considered keeping her separate. But I don't have the space to offer her like my others.

Today I took her back :( they were very understanding
And ill try again in a few weeks to find another girl

Captain Helen
23-08-2013, 05:08 PM
That must have been very hard to do :( But I think you've made the right decision for the buns. I hope you find the perfect partner for Alfie. Sending hugs xx

Kermit
23-08-2013, 05:16 PM
So sad that things never worked out, but you made the right decision for you. You tried your best x

I know Halfpenny had a girl that was looking for a home recently, would be nearish to you I think?

midori1999
23-08-2013, 07:50 PM
Sorry to hear it didn't work out.

Are you near enough to try Buddies Bunnies? I have got two bunnies from them, both as companions for existing single buns. They are excellent at matching your bun with one of theirs and they will keep them for a bonding holiday if you prefer. They really know their stuff and are very helpful.

BigBunnyBenji
23-08-2013, 07:52 PM
It sounds like you made the right choice, it must have been hard though.

You could use Rabbit rehome to find another bun near you. :)