metacam question

xx-snowball-xx · Apr 20, 2011

i don't know how much to give?

snowball was neutered today
am annoyed, because they tried to make me go home without metacam even after i said i'd pay extra for it :evil:

so eventually they gave in and gave me the metacam.

it's 0.5mg/ml (for cats)

i was told i can give him 2 drops a day.
does that mean one drop in the morning and 1 drop at night?
or 2 drops together?

and how much is a drop?
all i have is a syringe and a bottle of metacam and no idea what to do with it

xx-snowball-xx · Apr 20, 2011

anybody?

Mackers · Apr 20, 2011

As far as I'm aware, the cat one is not as strong as the dog version. I think it's 0.5mg/ml compared to 1.5mg/ml for the dog one. I'm no good at maths but Parsnip (2.7kg) has 0.3ml of the dog strength Metacam twice daily (so 0.6ml per day). So in theory, could you give three times that amount of the cat version????? Hopefully someone with more knowledge of this will come along and let you know.

When Parsnip had his leg pinned, it was with a specialist bone vet and not my regular bunny vet. They sent him home on a completely useless amount of cat Metacam. I told them what my regular bunny vet gave him but they refused to prescribe anything other than what they 'thought' was safe. I suppose I can't blame them - they're not bunny vets.

But I'm afraid I simply ignored their advice and gave him his usual dose of Metacam I had at home. I've still got the cat stuff here - unused! It's probably out of date by now.

ETA - just re-read your post and seen that you've confirmed the cat Metacam is 0.5mg/ml.

xx-snowball-xx · Apr 20, 2011

thank you for your advice.

i really don't know how much to give him because he only weighs 1.3 if i remember rightly. i will go and check with the scales now.

i wish they had given me an actual dose rather than just told me 2 drops

bunny babe · Apr 20, 2011

xx-snowball-xx said:
thank you for your advice.

i really don't know how much to give him because he only weighs 1.3 if i remember rightly. i will go and check with the scales now.

i wish they had given me an actual dose rather than just told me 2 drops

I was told that too and my bunny is 3.7kg. As you say, how big is a "drop". I was then told I could five him 0.2ml (I had a 1ml syringe) per day. It does seem that others on here are advise much higher doses.

bunny babe · Apr 20, 2011

Before you give him any, check if he has already received some from the vet as they normally inject it and it lasts for 24 hours.

Mackers · Apr 20, 2011

Please remember I'm not a vet - just another bunny owner who happens to have Metacam prescribed for her bunny!

I checked the bottle of cat Metacam that Parsnip was prescribed and they told me to give him "3 units once daily". I'm guessing a unit was one mark on the syringe. I just tried to measure it against his regular dose and I'm pretty sure it would be about one sixth of the amount he should get per day :roll:.

If it were my rabbit, I'd feel fairly safe doubling the dose. But I'm NOT a vet and I'm NOT telling you what you should do (before anyone jumps on me).

Mackers · Apr 20, 2011

bunny babe said:
I was told that too and my bunny is 3.7kg. As you say, how big is a "drop". I was then told I could five him 0.2ml (I had a 1ml syringe) per day. It does seem that others on here are advise much higher doses.

The trouble is, unless you've got a VERY bunny savvy vet, they'll only prescribe what it says in their textbooks :roll:. I suppose they have to err on the side of caution.

I'm extremely lucky that my vet is a well known and respected bunny vet and he always prescribes a decent dose of the dog Metacam. He also says that bunnies deal with Metacam extremely well and can probably take a much higher dose than even he prescribes with no ill effects.

Has the vet told you to start giving Metacam tonight? Bunny Babe is right - an injection may have already been given.

xx-snowball-xx · Apr 20, 2011

bunny babe said:
Before you give him any, check if he has already received some from the vet as they normally inject it and it lasts for 24 hours.

thanks hun, they said "starting tonight" when i asked them.
i know that he did have the injection though.

he seems really quiet and isn't moving much. he still hasn't eaten either. obviously i am not him so i don't know, but he looks like he is in pain

don't worry mackers, i know. you don't need to cover yourself don't worry

think i will give the out of hours vet a call, explain the situation and see if they will give me advice in ml rather than just drops.

xx-snowball-xx · Apr 20, 2011

Mackers said:
The trouble is, unless you've got a VERY bunny savvy vet, they'll only prescribe what it says in their textbooks :roll:. I suppose they have to err on the side of caution.

I'm extremely lucky that my vet is a well known and respected bunny vet and he always prescribes a decent dose of the dog Metacam. He also says that bunnies deal with Metacam extremely well and can probably take a much higher dose than even he prescribes with no ill effects.

Has the vet told you to start giving Metacam tonight? Bunny Babe is right - an injection may have already been given.

i get what you are saying.
they seem reluctant to prescribe metacam anyway :? wouldn't give me any when snowball had part of his ear bitten off a month / 2 months ago.

yeah, he had the injection, but they did say he was ok to have some tonight. i don't know now that you are both mentioning the injection though. i don't want to overdose him

Mackers · Apr 20, 2011

They've probably only injected him with the cat version too so he's going to have had a very low dose. Why don't you ask them how much he had? You could always ask them to phone a rabbit specialist vet for advice - my vets are brilliant - The Cat and Rabbit Care Clinic 01604 478888. Simon is often asked for advice over the phone so it's nothing unusual for him.

Wondergirl · Apr 20, 2011

My two haven't eaten yet and they are both flopped out. My vet said not to worry as it's quite an invasive op and their little bodies are exhausted after it. She said if they still haven't eaten after 24hrs then to call the vet for assistance.

xx-snowball-xx · Apr 20, 2011

Mackers said:
They've probably only injected him with the cat version too so he's going to have had a very low dose. Why don't you ask them how much he had? You could always ask them to phone a rabbit specialist vet for advice - my vets are brilliant - The Cat and Rabbit Care Clinic 01604 478888. Simon is often asked for advice over the phone so it's nothing unusual for him.

i have it on the sheet.

it says
"Inject metacam cat 10ml 0.2% injection"
"quantity 0.10mls"

thanks for the number, do you think your vet would mind me ringing to ask?
just because when i rang the out of hours for my vet last time, i wasn't very impressed with them lol

edit: just realised you meant for my vets to ring lol. sorry

xx-snowball-xx · Apr 20, 2011

Wondergirl said:
My two haven't eaten yet and they are both flopped out. My vet said not to worry as it's quite an invasive op and their little bodies are exhausted after it. She said if they still haven't eaten after 24hrs then to call the vet for assistance.

thanks hun.
it's different for girls than boys. girls usually take a bit longer to recover than boys because it is a bigger op for them, for a boy it's only little.

just wish i knew how much i was allowed to give. am ringing my vet now to ask

Barn Yard Bunnies · Apr 20, 2011

I didnt get metacam but Cutie-pie did get an injection that lasts 24 hours.

She looked as miserable as sin. But that is very normal. She had a late spay too. I PM'd someone in panic but was reassured it takes 24 hours for them to really come round.

The problem with Cutie-pie was not eating or drinking at all from 1 pm to 8.00 am the next day, so took her back. My efforts at syringe feeding were a disaster.

Wondergirl · Apr 20, 2011

Barn Yard Bunnies said:
I didnt get metacam but Cutie-pie did get an injection that lasts 24 hours.

She looked as miserable as sin. But that is very normal. She had a late spay too. I PM'd someone in panic but was reassured it takes 24 hours for them to really come round.

The problem with Cutie-pie was not eating or drinking at all from 1 pm to 8.00 am the next day, so took her back. My efforts at syringe feeding were a disaster.

If my two haven't eaten by morning should I take them back to the vet? They came home about 4:30 today

Mackers · Apr 20, 2011

xx-snowball-xx said:
thanks for the number, do you think your vet would mind me ringing to ask?
just because when i rang the out of hours for my vet last time, i wasn't very impressed with them lol

edit: just realised you meant for my vets to ring lol. sorry

I don't think they'd mind but I'm not sure how ethical it is :?. I guess vets ringing specialist vets for advice is fairly common practice but if a client phoned then they may class it as a consultation and want to charge?

xx-snowball-xx · Apr 20, 2011

right, just spoke to my vet.

am very pleased, the lady who answered the phone was actually the lady who did the operation!!

(i was definitely told he could have metacam tonight earlier but) she said to wait until tomorrow to give him any.
she said that drops is more accurate than using the syringe (even though the syringe was in the box with the metacam) and i should drop 2 drops onto a piece of food for him tomorrow.

she asked if he had eaten yet and i said no.

she suggested that i should mush up some pellets with water in a bowl for him to try and get him eating tonight.

she also said that i could try putting the mushed up pellets in a syringe and giving him a little that way to "kick start him" because she would like him to be eating tonight.
i know he's good with a syringe and doesn't mind it (experience with a course of baytril. he was really good with the syringe and towards the end would come and voluntarily take it)
i don't want to stress him more though. foster bunny jay didn't eat until the next day after his neuter and was ok.

i asked about him falling over earlier as well and she said that's nothing to worry about.

feeling better now, but kind of helpless lol

xx-snowball-xx · Apr 20, 2011

Barn Yard Bunnies said:
I didnt get metacam but Cutie-pie did get an injection that lasts 24 hours.

She looked as miserable as sin. But that is very normal. She had a late spay too. I PM'd someone in panic but was reassured it takes 24 hours for them to really come round.

The problem with Cutie-pie was not eating or drinking at all from 1 pm to 8.00 am the next day, so took her back. My efforts at syringe feeding were a disaster.

Aw bless her. I wasn't meant to have metacam, I paid extra for it. I don't want him hurting

Bless, it's so worrying isn't it!

Wondergirl said:
If my two haven't eaten by morning should I take them back to the vet? They came home about 4:30 today

I wouldn't take them back, but if they haven't eaten, then perhaps ring up and find out what they think in the morning?
I counted out pellets so i will know for sure if he has eaten.

Mackers said:
I don't think they'd mind but I'm not sure how ethical it is :?. I guess vets ringing specialist vets for advice is fairly common practice but if a client phoned then they may class it as a consultation and want to charge?

sorry, i realised what you meant after i had already posted it. i'm a bit slow sometimes lol.

Barn Yard Bunnies · Apr 20, 2011

Wondergirl said:
If my two haven't eaten by morning should I take them back to the vet? They came home about 4:30 today

If they haven't eaten I would, just to be on the safe side. Or try critical care. I had to as I had problems syringe feeding, She was so stubborn and refused to swallow and it came back out all over my clothes.

That was a mix of pellets and warm water.

Just to reasurre you she is right as rain now. Eating like a pig and running around like normal. Took over 48 hours for her to fully come round.

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