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Really like your advice re. buck urination

I'm sorry to hear Thumps's teeth are causing him issues again Judy :( But relieved to hear that there is nothing more untoward going on in his waterworks! Here's hoping that some metacam will tide you over until his next dental. Our buns can be a constant source of worry can't they! :(
 
I'm sorry to hear Thumps's teeth are causing him issues again Judy :( But relieved to hear that there is nothing more untoward going on in his waterworks! Here's hoping that some metacam will tide you over until his next dental. Our buns can be a constant source of worry can't they! :(


You said it!! I'm really in the dog house now. My bun can actually give me dirty looks!!:roll:
 
we have used valium and meloxivet (Metacam) to get Teasal to 'relax into' peeing when he has had problems before.

He also has his sludge palpated every 4 weeks.

Have you thought o f the calcium content of your water? (boiling does not really remove calcium I am afraid it merely makes the individual elements smaller and more diffuse:). I now use low calcium bottled water for Teasal instead of our local tap water which is very high in calcium.

You should be able to find the calcium content of your tap water by checking with your local water authority on-line.

Or as a rough guide, pour some water into a glass and leave it in a sunny spot to dry out and see how much white residue is left (you can try comparing boiled and non boiled a
water as well!+).
 
we have used valium and meloxivet (Metacam) to get Teasal to 'relax into' peeing when he has had problems before.

Benzodiazepines in rabbits? That is very interesting....would love to know more! Thinking this would help the person in rabbit chat with the bun that stresses out going beserk in the carry cage? :?
 
Thank you so much for thinking of us Parsnipbun. Yes our water is very hard, coming mainly from neighbouring chalk aquifers.

Thumper's main problem seems to be that he's a bit "nesh" about tiny molar spikes & has a sensitive mouth & prefers his water slightly warm. :roll:
Otherwise he drinks his own freshly made wee & just recycles the calcium.
His other major problem is presumed poor motility of the lower gut.
We manage quite well with mild diuretics eg dandelion & wild chervil but I have to tail them back when he's moulting heavily, so we don't get an impaction on fur balls.

He's been trying to change to a softer diet for the last 2 days - less hay & leaves. I can only accommodate him so much or he gets dysbiosis & then stasis.

We were given metacam both as an analgesic & to sooth any inflammation in the urethra, today. He's just done a good "spray" in the garden. I so hope we can get him through a bit longer - monthly dentals is too often. Thank you so much for your advice about low calcium bottled water. I'll be off to the supermarket tomorrow.
 
I hope Thumper is feeling more comfortable now :)
You mentioned a urine specimen. Has he had urinalysis to rule out Uti?
I know several dental bunnies who seem to enjoy recycling their calcium in that special way! :lol:
 
I hope Thumper is feeling more comfortable now :)
You mentioned a urine specimen. Has he had urinalysis to rule out Uti?
I know several dental bunnies who seem to enjoy recycling their calcium in that special way! :lol:

Thank you Lilbun. The specimen was taken out of his tray, 4hours old & not suitable for c&s but was "microscoped". My purpose in taking it was to show what I was trying to describe.
I think that because we live so closely together, I am very aware of small changes in his behaviour. I can't say why, but I knew he was both hungry & thirsty this morning. I'm more than fortunate to see the same rabbit specialist vet who knows us both so well now. Since his metacam He has drunk 1/2 bowl of cold water:shock: he's chomped through a pile of hay & sloe leaves & he's somehow much more cheerful.
We aren't abandoned either. if there are any probs whatever the time I'm to go back immediately. I'll be very watchful indeed now he's on analgesia.

I broke a tooth last year. I didn't have toothache, but it was honestly like having a razor blade in my mouth. Even swallowing my own saliva hurt. I didn't let it get as far as tongue ulceration either!!

There was something very lovely too. Another lady vet was in the consulting room, perhaps Spanish/Portugese. While waiting, she told me that she liked rabbits & was there to learn more about rabbit medicine.:D:D:D:D:D:D
 
You seem to have an amazing bond with Thumper.
I'm reasonably certain at least two of my girls wouldn't notice/care if I died, so long as someone still fed them and let them out :roll::lol:
 
You seem to have an amazing bond with Thumper.
I'm reasonably certain at least two of my girls wouldn't notice/care if I died, so long as someone still fed them and let them out :roll::lol:

They may well notice your absence more than you think.
Thumper won't stay on my lap, sofa or bed. He's a floor bunny. We have a routine of affection on the floor when I get up, & immediately before bed. It's basically an allogrooming session!! I stroke him & he licks my nose eyebrows etc. On the other hand I'm all he's got as a companion bun. He has an advantage that he's a "direct line" to the one who controls his environment eg letting him out for a run, or even putting the fire on!!! BUT a big disadvantage that I don't speak rabbit! [whoops a bit off subject here :oops:] I am amazingly privileged to share my life with a bun, but it brings the responsibility that I must be back home by 3.00am. Very few people are in the situation where that is possible for the bun's lifetime.

The improved drinking worked wonders for his wee. It wasn't even faintly cloudy overnight.

I would like to throw out some ideas for discussion & comment, as there is interest in this thread.

DIET is usually the 1st. aspect to address with "sludge" & very important.
Many members of the forum eg Prettylupin & Clutterydrawer have found that stopping 1 or more items of high calcium food has completely controlled sludge issues - kale & readygrass respectively.
GUT MOTILITY. We know that humans stop absorbing calcium from the gut when blood levels are adequate but BUNS can't do this & absorb all available calcium, & have to wee out any excess. I wonder whether when the gut slows down, buns absorb even more calcium than usual, cos there is more time to do so. In theory sludgy buns may need a high fiber diet as a natural gut stimulant.
EXERCISE. Prettylupin kindly offered experience of Nino's weeing issues being helped by hopping around. I've noticed that Thumper's "sludge" settles out to the bottom of a syringe very quickly, & disperses quickly when the syringe is shaken. I see no reason why the same thing can't happen in the bun's bladder. Exercise also helps to keep the gut moving.
FLUIDS. Wild rabbits rely purely on dew, & juices from fresh grass/ plants & roots for fluids. They also live underground at a fairly constant temperature & humidity of 10C.
In comparison, our domestic friends have a much drier diet, & are exposed to much wider temperature variation. Bun's can't sweat to lose heat, blood is diverted to their ears & thereafter they increase their breathing rate to lose heat by evaporating body fluids from their lungs. They can easily become dehydrated on a hot summer day.
In the "old days" buns ate grass as a staple, gradually supplementing it with home made "farmer's" hay in winter. This is less dry than commercially available hays packed in polythene.
So I've wondered about a return to the old fashioned ways, of those who are able, returning to grass as the staple for this type of problem. If I could I would seed the lawn to as large a variety of coarse field grasses as poss. Unfortunately my original plan to have grass as a staple was flummoxed by sewer flooding every month for a year. Then with a new estate being built we had a plague of displaced foxes & rats. All the neighbouring grassy areas in the vicinity are used to walk a high dog population. It sometimes seems so very difficult to care for my little boy as I would wish to.
TEETH dental buns may have "sludgy urine" simply because it's too uncomfortable to drink sufficient water to dissolve the excess calcium.
 
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Nothing more to add other than fully agree and support all the excellent ideas listed by yourself above! :thumb:

How I wish for both yours and Thumpers's sakes you could have a lovely wild meadow in your back garden at home - Thumps is certainly a 'natural' bun who benefits from the 'wild ways' and is very lucky to have an owner so attentive to his special needs. :D
 
Buck urination update

Thumper had another dental last week end. He is now eating & drinking normally. His urine is consistently normal. He had become used to straining so initially the improved flow sounded like a thunderbox, but all has returned to normal now.
I feel that this confirms that dental problems can cause poor fluid intake & urinary issues as a result.
 
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