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Encouraging bunny to eat again?

Anmagdan

Young Bun
Hi - I know you can only give your opinions on these matters but honestly we're so desperate to get Moofy, our 5 year old Lionmane, to eat that we're looking at all ideas. He is a house rabbit. I've read the 'My Rabbit is not Eating' FAQ also.

He had really terrible diarrhoea on Wednesday afternoon, so we took him to the vets and she told us she can't see anything wrong with him, other than him needing a bath now that he'd soiled himself, and to give him Critical Care by syringe and make sure that he does start eating.

So we tried this, he refused to eat, and we took him back the next day. They kept him under observation for the day - apparently he ate dandelion leaves whilst with them (he never eats dandelion leaves so this was a shock), took him home, literally no difference in him at all. So by now we're on Friday, and I take it into my own hands and I syringe feed him Critical Care every 2 hours (6:30am start and 10:30pm finish) and by then he'd actually drank water by himself and he'd even had some grass (something he also never eats). Stupidly I left him alone over night and by the morning he was back to square one, so my mother took over the feeding during the day on Saturday and I fed him every two hours from 6pm until.. well.. it is now 4.30pm Sunday, I'm still going, (I have barely slept trying to get him to eat and keep up the fluid intake). I even tried a bit of pineapple juice to try get him to remember what yummy food tastes like. He took it via syringe but hasn't done a lot!

I guess what we've learnt too late that being a picky eater is more dangerous than we realised, and after ringing the breeder she said we should change his diet to pellets (which we will do carefully when we can get him to eat anything at all). I don't know what else to try to get him to eat. I've been squishing the pellets the breeder recommended in water and syringing those as well as the Critical Care to try and get his gut to do something. His poo remains slimy and rather smelly. He's also doing a nice little trick where he's floppy when with us but as soon as he's in his travel box or at the vets he's as perky as anything (but I suspect this is because of his tummy ache?). Here's a list of things he has turned his nose up at that I can remember:

> dandelion leaves
> grass
> hay (he never eats this anyway)
> spinach leaves
> parsley
> broccoli
> baby sweetcorn
> apple
> banana (his favourite)
> porridge oats
> mint leaves (although he did almost eat this)
> raisins
> carrot tops
> the new pellets

I am going to try to convince my parents to take him back to the vet tomorrow (I'm a bit miffed at this vet, so I'm going to try to go to another one to see if they are more specialised in rabbits) but honestly if I can get his little tummy working again it'd be amazing. I've also tried gently rubbing his stomach when it was gurgling. I really don't want him to be in pain and it is unfair if we're going to keep going through this cycle until his body finally gives up. We love him dearly and don't want him to leave us but we have to also not be selfish and remember that his body may have given up.

Any ideas? :]
 
Did your vet ask you to do any poop samples for testing? Blood tests? Has he been given pain killer or gut stimulant?

You are doing all you can to help him eat, you could also try the following

Spring Greens
Hawthorn leaves - good for tums
Willow tree leaves
Thyme - sometimes a stronge smelling herb can tempt them
You could also try some of the HIPS (or similar) baby food e.g. veg or fruit (not with meat in obviously) to tempt him.
grated carrot

You need to also keep him hydtrated so try a bowl of water with a dash of boiling to make it room temperature as mine prefer it like this and tend to drink more.

If you ask on here for a bunny savvy vet and your area in the title, someone may be able to recommend a good vet for a second opinion.

Sending him lots of eating vibes, hope he is feeling better soon.

ETA - One of mine won't eat hay and he has Bunny Basics T pellets (hay based), expensive but good.
 
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To be honest she didn't really say anything at all, which is why I am so concerned about using her again in the future. If I can convince my parents to take him to a different vet tomorrow I'm going to follow the guidelines listed in the FAQ.

I'll have a scout for some of those that you've listed - if he eats carrot I'll be stunned as he also does not like it! I'm making sure he's drinking too - whether its from the bottle or by syringe.

Thank you
 
You could also but this in health as you may get more responses.

Also do a search on your area as someone else may have already asked about bunny savvy vets in your area, the alternative it to post something in bunny chat to ask.

Hope he starts eating soon. You could also try soaking some pellets in water and mash some banana in with it if it his his favourite.

I am thinking he may need some metoclopromide to help keep his gut moving.

If you can find hawthorn he may like that and it helps digestion - there is a picture on it on this link (last one on first post).

http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/showthread.php?303114-Plant-Images&highlight=hawthorn
 
Sadly I can not find any info on savvy vets in my area, I'm only in a small village. We had visited this vet before though and they seemed quite on the ball, it's just their opening times are a bit funny which is why we went to somewhere else. Lesson learned indeed.

Tonight he actually sniffed the platter of veg and greenery which is an improvement, but we've seen him improve just before bed and watch him go downhill over night before so, we're not going to hold our breath. He licked the willow a couple of times. It doesn't help that he is extremely picky anyway.

Tomorrow I am going to hunt for some hawthorn, and I'll give him two feeds through tonight. It is so wonderful to be able to use a forum like this and get advice - I've been going nutty because I wasn't sure where to turn (and lack of sleep and constant smell of rabbit diarrhoea).

I'm currently soaking the pellets together with some of the Critical Care, simply because he spits some of it out and because we need to get him onto the pellets from his old food. Someone ate the last banana...!

Parents have agreed on vets tomorrow, so, fingers crossed and we'll see what they say :] We all love him so dearly.
 
Sorry your bunny is poorly.

Do post the area you live in so that you can be recommended to a rabbit savvy vet - start a thread with something like "Vet needed in West Hertfordshire" or "Need a vet near Leeds" or similar. It may seem a bind travelling a way but it really is a false economy going to a vet who is not familiar with treating rabbits.

Normally a rabbit who is "off his food" would be given fluids under the skin, painkillers, gut stimulant, recovery food and sometimes an antibiotic. Further painkillers and gut stimulant would be given to you to take home for several days treatment. Meantime you would continure to tempt them to eat whilst syringing the recovery food. No animal is interested in eating if they are in pain so it really is important to make proper investigations, get the pain under control so rabbit can get his gut working again then any underlying cause, Dental Spurs for instance can be tackled.

When my rabbits have been poorly it has sometimes taken a while to get them eating well on their own again. A popular first food with mine is Apple Tree leaves, Rocket or fresh corriander. I keep offering small dishes of different bits, shredded greens topped with a little grated carrot or apple, rocket leaves, corriander leaves mixed up with some critical care. Once they are eating a bit better I can sometimes disguise the meds in the food which keeps them happy. Pellets and hay are usually the last thing they get back to. You can feed all the veg freshly washed to keep fluid intake up as well as offering a bowl of water (bowls are easier to drink out of if they are feeling poorly).

I do hope you get to the bottom of this soon.
 
Has he had any pain relief? Not eating is often a symptom of pain somewhere so a pain killer is especially useful. Definitely try to get him to a vet used to treating rabbits, it might be a bit of a drive but it's worth it.
 
Also, did the vet look in his mouth during the examination. Sloppy poops can also be a sign of a bunny needing a dental as they don't digest the food as well if they have spurs on their teeth (at least it is a sign with my dental bun and we know he is due a dental sometimes along with not eating) or they need levelling.

You could also try the critical care on a spoon to see if he will lick it off, rather than a syringe.

Good luck at the vets tomorrow.
 
Okay. I managed to sleep through my night time alarms because I am so tired and I didn't get to night feed him. But he's really refusing everything now.

Last night he was having a good sniff at the veg/green feast we'd laid out for him which was very hopeful as he hasn't sniffed stuff in ages.

He's tried to nibble on some things, a bit of kale, a bit of rocket, and when I came down this morning he'd had more diarrhoea. I just opened his cage and he had willow leaf in his mouth, mid chew, and he's doing this constipated movement where he is clearly in pain and it causes him to shuffle forward like he is getting up.

I'm trying to keep him calm and we'll be going to the vets for 9am and sitting there until they deal with him/get stank out by the smell.

The vet didn't do any of these checks, I'm actually really irritated I didn't know more about this. Its the first time I've been with them taking him to the vets (I'm 20, and haven't lived at home for the last 2 years, which is when he's been sick before.)

I've tried to look at his teeth - I know his front are fine. I'm currently making a list of questions to go armed with. I can not believe the vet didn't check these things. She said she didn't know what was wrong with him yet all his symptoms show major gut issues. He's now in so much pain he is squeaking which he never ever does. Very cross. Thank you guys for being supportive with all this info!
 
He is not well at all. We took him to the vets (This vets is much nicer. They let us in without an appointment because the vet was ready 15 minutes before opening time, so we got seen at 8.45am) and he agreed he was in a lot of pain. He'd been chewing willow, but instead of eating it he was just holding the branch in his mouth (did this for about 30 mins despite being transferred from his bed to a box to the vet table, until the vet needed to check his teeth and then he was forced to let go). Vet says less than 50% chance of pulling through.

He's been given a pain killer, and then anti-inflammatory, and then we took him to their day care centre. We've agreed that if the pain killer doesn't ease his suffering by this evening we'll put him to sleep.

Very upsetting, but, I know I did everything I could over the past 5 days and the vet agreed what I have done would have usually got him up and running, he has just been in too much pain to eat. Which also means what they try may not work seeing as I've done a lot of it already I just haven't had any pain relief for him. I'm trying not to get frustrated at the previous vets, who had him all of Friday and surely would have noticed his discomfort but they did not think pain killers were necessary...

Well, we'll see what happens this afternoon. It'll be a very empty home if he is unable to return.
 
Did they look at his back teeth? Sniffing but not eating would suggest to me he wants to eat but his teeth are hurting him so he can't.
 
I hope bunny can pull through now that he is in the care of a decent vet.

There is no doubt that he should have been given pain relief before and I am sure that my vet would keep a rabbit with a very runny tum in the ward so as to ensure he was kept hydrated - when Maisey had this she was on a drip, by morning with pain relief and supportive feeding she was well enough to come home, stool samples taken to look for the cause.

Fingers crossed. Perhaps the first vet needs to be pointed in the direction of this forum, it sounds like they could learn a lot.
 
Well the vet says that this would only have happened by a change in food or trauma which is what I thought. As far as we know Moofy didn't experience either of these, but we did mop the floor the day before. We made sure it was dry before he went back in. However, he did start to go off some foods the week before but we didn't see this as anything major because he is normally picky.

His teeth are fine and he's otherwise in good condition, albeit getting on as he's 5. Vet says he's surprised he's lasted until today being this sick, and on one side I feel that it shows I was doing right, but on the other side I feel worried I may have prolonged the pain for him.

His gut is empty and it is spasm'ing which is why he was doing that strange squatting movement. Just got to get it all working again, which he is reluctant to do because he's in pain. Not sure really what has happened, but I think it was a lack of education on our side for his diet, as he tends to just pick out small bits of food from the feed and then he'd have a range of veg/greens.
 
Hay is the most important part of anybuns diet - if he doesn't eat museli or pellets its not a problem, lots of members don't feed any, just hay and wild foods/veg.

Is it possible he ate something he shouldn't? A bit of house plant, discarded food of some kind? Do you keep other pets? Things like Coccidiosis I believe can be carried from chickens or on shoes from infected areas.

Has the vet checked his back teeth?

Good luck.
 
He checked all his teeth, including the back, and said they were fine. No other pets, and we can't think of any food he may have munched that he shouldn't have. Don't really tend to wear shoes indoors, and we don't often go anywhere near the chickens next door. Its all very strange really.
 
They said he's responding to the pain killers, but he's not out of the woods yet. He's making a decision tomorrow morning. At least if he gets put down tomorrow he won't have been in pain tonight. I hope he's not lonely :]
 
Is he on fluids as they should help, sounds like your usual vet is doing the right thing and giving him a fighting chance.

Sending him lots of vibes for a full recovery.
 
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