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Hi All,

I'm wondering if anyone on here has experienced this before and / or might be able to share some tips or advice. So here's my story:

I've had 2 indoor rabbits since 2011, boy and girl, never much interaction between them, mainly kept themselves to themselves...

In January, the boy stopped eating, pooping and generally didn't seem well. Took him to the vets, we tried gut stimulants, injections, Metacam, syringe feeding etc etc.. Unfortunately, his condition deteriorated quickly, he lost a lot of weight and so my vet proposed taking X-rays. The x-rays revealed that he had a hair ball in his stomach and that his entire gut was so full of gas that it had caused a rectal prolapse. All things considered, my vet said that the kind thing to do would be to let him go, which I eventually agreed to do. I still can't quite bring myself to think back to that day as it was all so upsetting and unexpected but I thought I should include it in this post, in case it helps to better understand my girl's current behaviour / condition....
Naturally, I was worried about how Lily would cope with the loss of her companion. For some reason however, she seemed completely fine with it and actually kinda 'perked' up?! For about 1 week, she was running and jumping around like never before, which I found a bit weird but I was just happy that she seemed fine. She was also drinking, eating and pooping normally, although I did notice that her droppings suddenly smelled a lot, they literally stank and I could smell it all across the room!!?
Then, in the second week, her behaviour suddenly changed and she started to display similar symptoms, i.e. no drinking and very reduced and infrequent pooping and eating.
Took her to the vets, who again gave me gut stimulants and said that because hair balls are usually just a 'secondary cause', it could be that both my rabbits had contracted an infection. However, as Lily still seemed a lot brighter and 'healthier' than my boy had been, the vet said she wasn't as worried about her as she had been about George, so suggested that we monitor her and that I also give her gut stimulants. The weird thing about the gut stimulants is that they have caused diarrhoea twice since we started her on them but then, on other days, she doesn't have a problem with them at all (always staying on the same dosage)?! I was also advised to syringe feed her pineapple juice, which she sometimes seems to like, other times she does everything to get away.
A few days ago, my vet also did X-rays on her and although we could see a hair ball in her stomach as well, hers is a lot smaller and there is no 'gas-built-up' in her gut (as of yet).
Although she did lose some weight initially, it has stabilised since. Her behaviour however, has changed completely and it really baffles me:
She tends not to eat before ca. 5pm, whereas before she would eat at any time. She also seems more selective of her food, e.g. she won't eat any carrots, broccoli or spring greens anymore although she used to love them. Instead, she now nibbles and eats straw which she absolutely never touched before.
She's still not drinking (apart from the pineapple juice that I syringe feed her). She isn't dehydrated though, according to the vet (I give her lots of fresh herbs) and she also urinates A LOT.
She does poop but the droppings are very small, hard and almost black.
About 2 weeks ago, I randomly bought her a litter tray (my rabbits always just used to go inside their hutches) and at first, she would sometimes use it, other times not. However, by now, she will only use that tray and she will sit in it for hours on end.
At the visit to the vets today, she suggested that "we just leave her be" for now and see how she gets on. She recommended some 'pet remedy plug-in' which I've bought and maybe that will help too? (Anyone got any experience with those?)
So, basically, Lily's current situation is that she's not doing much of anything during the day but perks up from afternoon onwards. She only seems to be able to eat after she's pooped. She seems to prefer 'soft food' but then also munches on pellets occasionally as well as straw, a bit of hay, lots of kale and herbs, sometimes some spinach or chard but in any way, nowhere up to what she used to consume, she used to always be hungry and now she's very selective and just eats less overall.

Apologies for the long post, just thought I might get as much detail in as possible. So if anyone has any idea or has maybe experienced a similar pattern / behaviour / illness before, I'd be so grateful as I'm terrified that I might lose her as well and I just want to try and explore any possible avenue!! Many thanks!!
 
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Hi All,

I'm wondering if anyone on here has experienced this before and / or might be able to share some tips or advice. So here's my story:

I've had 2 indoor rabbits since 2011, boy and girl, never much interaction between them, mainly kept themselves to themselves...

In January, the boy stopped eating, pooping and generally didn't seem well. Took him to the vets, we tried gut stimulants, injections, Metacam, syringe feeding etc etc.. Unfortunately, his condition deteriorated quickly, he lost a lot of weight and so my vet proposed taking X-rays. The x-rays revealed that he had a hair ball in his stomach and that his entire gut was so full of gas that it had caused a rectal prolapse. All things considered, my vet said that the kind thing to do would be to let him go, which I eventually agreed to do. I still can't quite bring myself to think back to that day as it was all so upsetting and unexpected but I thought I should include it in this post, in case it helps to better understand my girl's current behaviour / condition....
Naturally, I was worried about how Lily would cope with the loss of her companion. For some reason however, she seemed completely fine with it and actually kinda 'perked' up?! For about 1 week, she was running and jumping around like never before, which I found a bit weird but I was just happy that she seemed fine. She was also drinking, eating and pooping normally, although I did notice that her droppings suddenly smelled a lot, they literally stank and I could smell it all across the room!!?
Then, in the second week, her behaviour suddenly changed and she started to display similar symptoms, i.e. no drinking and very reduced and infrequent pooping and eating.
Took her to the vets, who again gave me gut stimulants and said that because hair balls are usually just a 'secondary cause', it could be that both my rabbits had contracted an infection. However, as Lily still seemed a lot brighter and 'healthier' than my boy had been, the vet said she wasn't as worried about her as she had been about George, so suggested that we monitor her and that I also give her gut stimulants. The weird thing about the gut stimulants is that they have caused diarrhoea twice since we started her on them but then, on other days, she doesn't have a problem with them at all (always staying on the same dosage)?! I was also advised to syringe feed her pineapple juice, which she sometimes seems to like, other times she does everything to get away.
A few days ago, my vet also did X-rays on her and although we could see a hair ball in her stomach as well, hers is a lot smaller and there is no 'gas-built-up' in her gut (as of yet).
Although she did lose some weight initially, it has stabilised since. Her behaviour however, has changed completely and it really baffles me:
She tends not to eat before ca. 5pm, whereas before she would eat at any time. She also seems more selective of her food, e.g. she won't eat any carrots, broccoli or spring greens anymore although she used to love them. Instead, she now nibbles and eats straw which she absolutely never touched before.
She's still not drinking (apart from the pineapple juice that I syringe feed her). She isn't dehydrated though, according to the vet (I give her lots of fresh herbs) and she also urinates A LOT.
She does poop but the droppings are very small, hard and almost black.
About 2 weeks ago, I randomly bought her a litter tray (my rabbits always just used to go inside their hutches) and at first, she would sometimes use it, other times not. However, by now, she will only use that tray and she will sit in it for hours on end.
At the visit to the vets today, she suggested that "we just leave her be" for now and see how she gets on. She recommended some 'pet remedy plug-in' which I've bought and maybe that will help too? (Anyone got any experience with those?)
So, basically, Lily's current situation is that she's not doing much of anything during the day but perks up from afternoon onwards. She only seems to be able to eat after she's pooped. She seems to prefer 'soft food' but then also munches on pellets occasionally as well as straw, a bit of hay, lots of kale and herbs, sometimes some spinach or chard but in any way, nowhere up to what she used to consume, she used to always be hungry and now she's very selective and just eats less overall.

Apologies for the long post, just thought I might get as much detail in as possible. So if anyone has any idea or has maybe experienced a similar pattern / behaviour / illness before, I'd be so grateful as I'm terrified that I might lose her as well and I just want to try and explore any possible avenue!! Many thanks!!


Hello and welcome to the Forum :wave:

Has she had her teeth examined? Apologies if you mentioned it and I missed it. A vet can only see 50% into a rabbit's mouth with an otoscope, unless they are confident enough to do 'conscious dentals' with the rabbit awake. A vet will normal sedate a rabbit - I just wonder whether they have been checked when she had her X-ray?

A lot of what you've said sounds familiar. The diarrhoea, the attitude after her partner left ... Has the vet mentioned cecal impaction at all?

http://rabbit.org/disorders-of-the-cecum/

http://www.rabbit.org/journal/3-7/gi.html

Does anything in those articles ring true for you? And how expert is your vet?

The eating pattern may well be connected to how full her gut feels earlier on in the day. Has the vet suggested giving her regular fluids? These can be under the skin - it's very important to keep the gut contents well hydrated.

Another bit of reading:

http://anyflip.com/dvpt/hzvv/basic

I haven't used the pet remedy plug ins, but to be honest, I don't think that would help particularly with her health issues. Won't harm either I guess :)
 
I'm sorry for the loss of your boy.
Her behaviour afterwards is indicative of reclaiming all territory as her own.
Did you tell the vet of the meds causing diarrhoea?
Most middle aged buns do sleep a lot through the day with the occasional trip to the hay stash or litter tray.
The pineapple juice thing is (although I know lots try it) not proven to do anything beneficial and trying to syringe her may just be adding to stress.
How much hay does she eat? As you may know it should be at least 85% of her diet. Straw is not a substitute for hay or grass.
She may also be depressed after the loss of her partner. Personally I don't think a pet remedy plug in will help in this situation and I speak as one who has one.

Tbh all the way through your post I was wondering how rabbit savvy your vet is. Unfortunately most only know the basics.

Frankly, I would be looking for a vet who specialises in exotics (rabbits) and getting a full diet review. If you give your general area someone will give you a recommendation.
 
Thanks both for your reply!
@MightyMax - Yes, her teeth were checked when she had the x-rays and apparently, neither of the vets (one of whom, I am told, is a 'dental expert') thought there was anything wrong. Thanks for the links too!!
@bunslave - Yes, of course I told the vet of the meds causing diarrhoea immediately. As I also reported that Lily was passing poop anyway and, using her stethoscope, she also confirmed that she could hear gut sounds, she advised me to stop all meds entirely, as mentioned above.
All that said, tbh, I don't know how rabbit savvy my vet is. My bunnies had never been ill before... The only times I went to the vets with them was for their vacs really... All I know is that the vet has a bunny (along with other pets) herself and that she always takes plenty of time to examine and discuss the issues, called her 'teeth expert' colleague on his day off, called another vet (exotics expert) she knew of in York to discuss my boy bunny etc. So I do think she's done everything she could've for both of them really. But sure, if anyone reading this could recommend a specialist - please do!!!!
And yes, of course I know what a rabbit's diet should consist of, which is what I've been feeding / offering them all their lives!! For some reason however, Lily currently seems to be more interested in eating straw and gnawing on wood (such as her 'house' - natural wood, no chemicals etc!) than she is in eating hay or grass.
Same as with water, I provide plenty! She always drank straight from the bottle - never an issue! Now, she won't even go near the bottle, so I've tried bowls but she just tips them over!!

Like said, she seems to be doing 'fine' atm, all things considered, although the non-drinking and hard droppings obviously worry me, so please comment further! Many thanks!!
 
Thanks both for your reply!
@MightyMax - Yes, her teeth were checked when she had the x-rays and apparently, neither of the vets (one of whom, I am told, is a 'dental expert') thought there was anything wrong. Thanks for the links too!!
@bunslave - Yes, of course I told the vet of the meds causing diarrhoea immediately. As I also reported that Lily was passing poop anyway and, using her stethoscope, she also confirmed that she could hear gut sounds, she advised me to stop all meds entirely, as mentioned above.
All that said, tbh, I don't know how rabbit savvy my vet is. My bunnies had never been ill before... The only times I went to the vets with them was for their vacs really... All I know is that the vet has a bunny (along with other pets) herself and that she always takes plenty of time to examine and discuss the issues, called her 'teeth expert' colleague on his day off, called another vet (exotics expert) she knew of in York to discuss my boy bunny etc. So I do think she's done everything she could've for both of them really. But sure, if anyone reading this could recommend a specialist - please do!!!!
And yes, of course I know what a rabbit's diet should consist of, which is what I've been feeding / offering them all their lives!! For some reason however, Lily currently seems to be more interested in eating straw and gnawing on wood (such as her 'house' - natural wood, no chemicals etc!) than she is in eating hay or grass.
Same as with water, I provide plenty! She always drank straight from the bottle - never an issue! Now, she won't even go near the bottle, so I've tried bowls but she just tips them over!!

Like said, she seems to be doing 'fine' atm, all things considered, although the non-drinking and hard droppings obviously worry me, so please comment further! Many thanks!!


How about a second opinion? Your vet sounds like she is doing a lot for you, but sometimes it's good to get another pair of eyes on the problem. It's always better if the rabbit can actually go along and see the vet, although your vet consulting at a distance with specialists is useful :)

How about:
http://ashleigh-veterinary-centre.com/staff-by-departments/veterinary-surgeons/

Aidan Raftery :D

Or else begin a new thread in Rabbit Chat, with the Header "Rabbit savvy vet/specialist needed in (your location)"

You can also look here:

https://www.harcourt-brown.co.uk/vetfinder/copy_of_county-or-city/england
 
You could also go to Molly Varga at Rutland House in St Helens if you are willing to travel a little further out of Manchester :)
 
You could also go to Molly Varga at Rutland House in St Helens if you are willing to travel a little further out of Manchester :)

I'm happy to travel as far as needs be really... Is Molly a specialist? Do you have any experience with her? Thanks!!
 
Yep! She is a fantastic rabbit vet. She performed my boys ear canal ablation surgery and saved his life :)
She has a website so maybe check it out. She is at Rutland House on Mondays, Thursdays and Fridays. Xx
 
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