Flemish rabbit questions

graeme

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Hello there,
We are looking at moving into our first house rather than the flat, and the wife wants a cat. I was thinking of a Flemish and have questions please:
- can they survive outside in all weathers in England?
- what size hutch/run to get?
- do they really grow to 10 kgs?
- do they get on with cats?
- are they ok with kids and kids for a childminding biz?
- what about foxes?
Thank you
 
I had a flemish a long time ago, but am no expert, however I would say.

They would need an insulated and maybe heated shed for outside living.
As my bunnies need an 8 x 10 feet shed you will need considerably more for a flemish.
Yes they do get that big.
I would be very wary of cats - tbh I would say no.
Like all animals they like their quiet space and respectful children.
Foxes would be a very real danger

However, you could have house rabbits, my two lived in the lounge and were litter trained. Also you would need a friend for the bunny, single rabbits dont do as well as a pair.

Hope that helps and someone with some proper knowledge should be along shortly.
 
Thank you a lot Cuthbert&Dillon.
Do you need to keep them in pairs?
Not sure how social they are - snakes are not for instance.
 
Good advice from Cuthbert&Dillon. The RWAF link she has provided should give you information on all aspects of rabbit care. Flemish should be considered as a rabbit breed, just one of the larger ones. I would also certainly say that rabbits and cats very, very rarely get on and it would be likely that the Flemish would be scared of a cat. Foxes are a different matter. They will predate rabbits and so any outside accommodation has to prevent them from being able to access, which also includes digging under a run.
 
My parents had a flemish giant when I was a baby/toddler. She free range indoors for a long time with 3 kids (eventually moved her outside) but we were taught to be respectful. I wouldn't trust random kids around rabbits as they're prey animals, injure easily, and can get stressed easily by noisy or disrespectful kids. Stress can cause them to stop eating (stasis) which is a medical emergency.

If you keep the rabbits outside you need to look into fox proof enclosures, what wire gauge to use (chicken wire is useless), how to ensure foxes don't dig under to get to the rabbits, etc. Foxes are very smart and determined. Rabbits that aren't well protected are just an easy meal.

Regarding cats, IME it's not really that they don't get along. It's more that it’s risky because even just a small scratch or puncture wound from a cat could get infected, become an abscess, need stitches, etc.

Rabbits' skin tears easily. And cats can be playful, curious, fearful, annoyed, startle easily...all of which could leave the rabbits with a scratch or bite.

Not to mention, it'd be quite easy for a cat to scratch a rabbit's big bulging eyes (even accidentally).

I had several rabbits and cats indoors. I also had a sweet outdoor cat that liked one of my outdoor bunnies - she would jump into his hutch when I was taking care of him and my rabbit was comfortable with her. I even noticed her paying extra special attention to him right around the time I realized that he was sick. She had noticed it first.

I had to be careful to make sure my rabbits didn't get hurt but none of them were ever scared of my cats. In fact, the cats were usually more scared of the rabbits and wanted to give them space. They were often like "what is this strange creature" lol.

Saying that, some rabbits are terrified of cats. It just depends on the individual rabbit. More anxious individuals might be more likely to be scared.
 
Hello William, thank you a lot for the points. It maybe an idea skipping for now since even without a cat - having a bunch of unknown children under 5 around may scare it. Appreciated.
 
Just to add from a different perspective. I have had various cats and rabbits who have all lived alongside each other in the house for over 20years, and never had a problem. We have always made it clear to the cats that the bunnies are off limits. If anything, the rabbits have always been in charge, and after a while, with maybe one or two initial lunges the cats have either lost interest, or spend time with them lounging in the garden protecting them from visiting cats.
 
Hello bunniemum,
Thank you.
True, though if we had random kids over as a childminder one may open the hutch or kitchen door at the wrong time and mix them.
Up to 6 kids wondering around the rabbits may not be nice.
 
Personally I think whether it's two or six children, there are ways of making this work. A Flemish should probably not be housed in a hutch, as it would be too small. But, for instance a shed with an attached run could easily be kept separate from any children. They would not be able to open a shed, nor could they easily climb into a run. If the rabbit(s) are indoors, then it would be easy to segregate them physically from any children.
 
The garden is not massive and we need space for Ofsted reqs.
I did notice most hutches are 6ft and too small really. Either a normal shed or a rabbit shed would do.
 
The garden is not massive and we need space for Ofsted reqs.
I did notice most hutches are 6ft and too small really. Either a normal shed or a rabbit shed would do.
I agree especially as you will have two, the shed sizes on RWAF does not really take into account bunny sizes. I had my bunnies when I had my grandson living with us. Infortunatly Rupert thought that Thomas was an excelent source of food and would bounce up on the sofa to see if there was anything edible on offer. He also would wrestle books out of your hand to be able to climb on your knee in the books place . That is something we didnt mind but Ofsted might frown on this!
 
Any animal that can scratch and bite is an issue for children in your care (and their parents). Some may also have allergies (eg to cats - which could include fur, skin / dander and saliva allergies, or even to ingredients in pet food). It doesn't exclude having them, but needs to be taken into consideration and managed appropriately.

The animals are also at risk from the children, who are likely to prod / poke them and feed them unsuitable items. Rabbits are also prone to stress - loud noises, sudden movements, being picked up roughly, being dropped, etc can all affect them badly. Screaming kids rushing around directly outside a rabbit pen and dropping leftover lunch through the bars isn't going to be good for rabbits. They are best kept safely apart and treated with mutual respect.

Giant rabbits need loads of space. Rabbits are also much happier with their own kind and should not be kept alone. Standard shop-bought hutches are often barely adequate for small rabbits, and are certainly not big enough or robust enough for giant breeds. Wendy houses or sheds work well for rabbits, although a Wendy house may be too small for giant breeds. Aviary panels can be used to make an attached walk-in permanent run. You can also easily adapt an outdoor dog run with integral kennel to suit rabbits. Local shed makers often list them, or you can get second hand ones on eg eBay.

Weldmesh will keep dogs and foxes out (as long as they can't dig in, or the rabbits dig out), but you may need to double up with a smaller mesh to keep curious cat claws out / stop a rabbit head getting stuck in larger mesh. Cats are persistent beasts when there's something of interest to them, and they are prone to swipe through bars / mesh at caged animals. Those claws can cause quite a lot of damage to the thin skin of a rabbit with a casual swipe, and it's expensive and stressful to get the rabbits treated.

Having giant rabbits indoors is also an option, if they can safely have the run of the house. All rabbits are likely to chew (wires, woodwork,etc) and dig (carpets).
 
Yes, both ways and a kid getting bit by a rabbit would look bad on us.
Foxes could be managed by very high fences and ensuring the side gate is shut.
Indoor rabbits could struggle if cats were in.
 
Foxes can easily clear a 6' fence (I've seen them do it in my garden), so I wouldn't rely on that. If they know there is a food source, they will become even more persistent. Visiting cats can also be a nuisance and can clear a standard domestic fence. Outdoor rabbits really need a fully enclosed space to keep predators out, including birds of prey. Giant rabbits may be more difficult for predators to manage, but it won't stop them trying.
 
At night a rabbit would be locked away and maybe daytime out. That said you do see foxes in daylight at times.
 
Rabbits are most active between dusk and dawn so shutting them away at night is not a good idea.

My rabbits live in a shed (10 x 6) with a permanently attached run (6 x 5). The run is made by a company called 4 wire and is made with good solid timber and strong weld mesh.

Good luck with whatever you decide.
 
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