Bonding Diary - Millie & Toffee

Moonstone

Warren Scout
It's over a decade since I bonded rabbits. I'm not ambitious, only bonding two of them, but I thought it might reassure me about progress if I documented it. I'm starting with half-an-hour a day in a bonding pen in the kitchen. They are already familiar with each other having lived side by side for two months. I've bonded Millie twice before but Toffee, who is six, has never been bonded. The rescue said his previous human attempted to bond him with his brother but gave up when they fought and kept them living side-by-side (Toffee's brother is now happily bonded elsewhere).

Day 1 -30 mins

For 15 mins they milled about nibbling food and sniffing each other's faces. Then Toffee mounted Millie and she wasn't having it and they started scrapping. No blood was drawn but they were leaping about, snarling, pouncing scratching and fur pulling. When that turned into rapid circling I intervened by lifting Toffee up and placing him on my lap. All was quiet for a while, relief from both of them I think, they had very rapid heartbeats and breathing. Then Toffee wanted to get down so I eased him onto the floor and he ran and hid the other side of me away from her. She was upright, ears forward, motionless, waiting to attack again. When I touched her, her back was absolutely rigid, I tried to stroke her but she growled and snapped at me so I stopped. After that they largely stayed away from each other. Toffee made two further attempts to mount her but she growled and pounced at him, followed by leaping over him to avoid him.

Day 2 - 30 mins

Both of them thumped a lot on arrival in the pen (neither like being picked up so it could have partly been that). Millie took up a position in a corner that she maintained throughout the session, fully alert. Toffee moved around, groomed himself a bit and nibbled on things. He kept approaching her face but each time ran away again because she's scary. She was honestly commanding him just with her facial expression a lot of the time even though she's never been a mother! Her ears forward, at other time she snapped and growled. Once she pounced but by the time her feet hit the ground he was long gone. It felt like stalemate and I would have carried on the session longer but I had a deadline to meet.

Day 3 - 45 mins

This time it seemed to be Toffee in a defensive position, he hid basically, while she was more out in the open working her way through some hay. He kept approaching her quite quickly, making that tail-up buzzing sound and she repelled him, twice though pouncing, mainly with growling. He seemed frustrated, was taking it out on some cardboard. They were both clearly very nervous. A couple of times she approached him though for a bit of sniffing before hopping away from each other (they got treats then!). Towards the end he was hedging nearer to her rather than running directly towards her. They both nibbled on hay about 15cm apart briefly then he got too close and she pounced again.

I took them in by carrier this time in case it was less scary. After 30 mins, I put it in the pen thinking someone would go into it if they wanted to go home. Toffee went into it 15 mins later so I took him away but when I came back for Millie she refused to hop in of her own accord and became really entrenched and frightened. I picked her up and carried her instead, I need to be mindful that carriers have been extra scary since she caught her foot in one.
 
I'm not sure how this is going to go. Toffee has hormones raging and clearly wants to be dominant, but Millie is bigger and twice his age and wants to put him in his place. Once, I removed one set of bars between them to see what would happen and Millie gave his face a thorough licking. She asked for grooming back, he didn't give it and she was furious. Meanwhile he was stood there utterly dazed, like what the hell just happened? His first ever grooming from a doe and he didn't seem to know what had hit him. She was so angry though, I had to put the second set of bars up again.
 
It sounds to me that they are still working out the heirarchy. It's quite normal for the buck to try to mount the doe and ideally the doe would just run away and in time the buck would tire of trying. Millie obviously isn't having any of it though. If they are to bond successfully, I think one of them will need to give way. Whilst they have been living side-by-side for two months, they haven't in my view had long enough with face to face contact, to allow trust between them.

I would just continue as you are doing or alternatively give them longer each time together.
 
Thank you, Omi. Yes, that's what happened when I last bonded Millie, she just ran away when he tried to mount her or went into a tunnel or something so it wasn't possible. I wonder if that would be harder now because of her arthritis and injured toe. The vet said that physically she's okay to to bonded though and can cope with being mounted from that perspective. I'll see what happens....!
 
Its a good idea to document things though I can never sustain it myself. Good luck with the bond. Millie being furious about unreciprocated groomies, awww. I guess many of us have been there, declaring our love too early then regretting it when your date doesn't feel the same 🤣
 
Lol, that's exactly it. :ROFLMAO: She's been playing it cool since. This evening I noticed her coats is silky soft, it goes like that when she's very happy, goes rougher when she's stressed. I know she likes him.
 
Lol, that's exactly it. :ROFLMAO: She's been playing it cool since. This evening I noticed her coats is silky soft, it goes like that when she's very happy, goes rougher when she's stressed. I know she likes him.
When Chinook arrived I attributed Eddys new silky coat to the sainfoin brix they devoured during bonding...i think your on the right track though, it will have been his healing heart. He was so miserable when boo left
Glad millie likes him. Rabbits are prob alot wiser in their relationship making. Much better integrity. Sorting out whats what early doors so they can leave a blissful life together in the near future. All paws crossed
 
Day 4 - 2 hours

They started out much as before with him approaching, her growling and pouncing. Twice she hopped away instead, one of those time he chased her and she turned, thumped repeatedly and stood her ground. He was more courageous, not running away when warned but just backing off a bit. One time she sniffed his face and ear with curiosity, almost affection, as he put his nose down and after a pause she pounced in a more gentle way, landing her feet delicately and directly on his forehead instead of with a scratching motion. We carried on into the period they'd normally be sleeping and after he did lots of grooming (of himself) they both snoozed not far from each other, they seemed more peaceful together. She groomed herself for the first time in the bonding pen. She didn't much leave one corner though, she seems to have bagged it and be defending it. I think I need to put a litter tray in now the sessions are longer, both of them held on but relieved themselves as soon as they were home again. I did give them a water bowl and they didn't fight over it. I left the pen for about a third of this session, was moving around the kitchen and sometimes popping out of the room. When I tried to pick Toffee up at the end of the session he ran from me and half hid behind her and she barely moved. She knew he was hiding not humping and even though his nose was touching her fur she was willing to shield him.
 
When Chinook arrived I attributed Eddys new silky coat to the sainfoin brix they devoured during bonding...i think your on the right track though, it will have been his healing heart. He was so miserable when boo left
Glad millie likes him. Rabbits are prob alot wiser in their relationship making. Much better integrity. Sorting out whats what early doors so they can leave a blissful life together in the near future. All paws crossed
I'm guessing Chinook has ears like Toffee's, his seem very big for his size, like he could actually take off. I'd never heard of sainfoin brix - it seems it's made for horses, is it good for bunnies too? And I never thought of it that way, but yes, it's probably better to fight at the beginning of a relationship than have conflict cause it's end down the line.
 
Day 5 - 3 hours

Today was much the same though we had one tiny lick from her as was stroking them both together, then she appeared to remember she's not doing that yet and did another growling pounce. When I left the room to fetch something a scuffle broke out, leaping over each other and fur pulling. By the time I was in the pen it was a chase, him chasing her, clinging to her by the fur on her back. He stopped when I sat down, stood still with his mouth full of white fluff. Another little row happened when my back was turned.

I think me being present is keeping them safe but also might be delaying any progress. I might try spending more time just in earshot. I can't spend three hours a day in the kitchen watching them, it's getting a bit mad. I don't have the stamina for 24/7 though and I don't think Millie does either, she's elderly and seems increasingly tired.
 
Gorgeous pics. Millie looks good for an elderly lady. It sounds as though they are still wary of each other, rather than actually aggressive. Although wariness can sometimes lead to aggression obviously.

I think bonding bunnies is both emotionally and physically tiring, both for you and for them. From what you've reported though I think they will eventually get there, hopefully sooner rather than later.
 
Millie and Toffee look very healthy and are a cute couple. It sounds like you are making progress. Sending positive vibes they will soon settle so you and they can relax.
 
Day 6 - 3hrs 40mins

They are repeating the pattern of him approaching her, usually from the front, head down asking to be groomed. She repels him with a growl, grunt, flick of her head and pouncing her front feet onto the top of his head. He is standing his ground more so she often has to leap over him or just dash away and he chases, sometimes pulling out fur. It's getting boring. Twice I intervened after a lot of chasing around the edge of their pen (I am concerned about the impact on her arthritis plus she seems worn out). The almost touching noses before the pounce can be quite prolonged now. He isn't growling or pouncing and she isn't chasing or hair pulling. Neither of them appears to be nipping or attempting mounting. If this carries on I might need a plan B.

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One good point is they aren't fighting. It looks like she is getting a bit stressed. I like somewhere the female can hide to have a break from the male. Have you seen them eating together?
 
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