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    Thank you for the support, itís really appreciated.

    Iím sorry for your loss, seeing a bun left behind is almost worse than the loss itself so I hope things work out for Morgan & Bella. Iíve found it helpful to keep a diary, it reminds me not to give up when things are tricky. Good luck to you all xx

    We had a tough night last night where C turned into a gremlin again. There didnít seem to be any cause, itís as if she gets to a certain time and has had enough of it all - which is understandable. After my second night of no sleep I was close to giving up this morning so had my partner take over the bonding for the day whilst I slept.

    A change of hoomin and energy seems to have done some good as they had a much more positive day. C went back to ignoring A and A has stopped running away when C lunges which has taken a lot of the tension out. C chose to lie closer to her and eat with her a few times and she now lets A pass without automatically threatening her. At one point A even cleaned C. A is now allowed to sleep on Cís blanket and the incessant pooping seems to have stopped.

    This evening, for the first time all 3 were lying together. C had her back to A and was fast asleep snoring.

    A&B have been wonderfully cuddly. She was leaning on him to steady herself while she cleaned and stole some herbs out of his mouth which he gladly gave up 😄 She will now seek him out and go and lie with him rather than be alone. She gets cold quickly and heís keen on tight squeeze cuddles so it works well for them both. Itís very sweet and heís like the cat that got the cream with all of his ladies (including me) loving him. Heís a lionhead with a long mane that they both enjoy cleaning, each time I see him he seems to have it styled differently!

    Tonight, at around the same point again, C has started to return to her gremlin ways being snappy and controlling where A can go. Sheís a strange beast but I know sheís trying her best and it must be difficult sharing her husbun. Iím amazed with Aís patience with it all, she couldnít do more than she is.

    Itíll be one week today that we started bonding and this is our third night session. Iím hoping we wonít be spending Christmas in the spare room

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bun4Life View Post
    Thank you for the support, itís really appreciated.

    Iím sorry for your loss, seeing a bun left behind is almost worse than the loss itself so I hope things work out for Morgan & Bella. Iíve found it helpful to keep a diary, it reminds me not to give up when things are tricky. Good luck to you all xx

    We had a tough night last night where C turned into a gremlin again. There didnít seem to be any cause, itís as if she gets to a certain time and has had enough of it all - which is understandable. After my second night of no sleep I was close to giving up this morning so had my partner take over the bonding for the day whilst I slept.

    A change of hoomin and energy seems to have done some good as they had a much more positive day. C went back to ignoring A and A has stopped running away when C lunges which has taken a lot of the tension out. C chose to lie closer to her and eat with her a few times and she now lets A pass without automatically threatening her. At one point A even cleaned C. A is now allowed to sleep on Cís blanket and the incessant pooping seems to have stopped.

    This evening, for the first time all 3 were lying together. C had her back to A and was fast asleep snoring.

    A&B have been wonderfully cuddly. She was leaning on him to steady herself while she cleaned and stole some herbs out of his mouth which he gladly gave up She will now seek him out and go and lie with him rather than be alone. She gets cold quickly and heís keen on tight squeeze cuddles so it works well for them both. Itís very sweet and heís like the cat that got the cream with all of his ladies (including me) loving him. Heís a lionhead with a long mane that they both enjoy cleaning, each time I see him he seems to have it styled differently!

    Tonight, at around the same point again, C has started to return to her gremlin ways being snappy and controlling where A can go. Sheís a strange beast but I know sheís trying her best and it must be difficult sharing her husbun. Iím amazed with Aís patience with it all, she couldnít do more than she is.

    Itíll be one week today that we started bonding and this is our third night session. Iím hoping we wonít be spending Christmas in the spare room
    Hi, thank you for your kind words. Yes it definitely hurts more seeing a precious bunny alone . I wander why itís at certain times c does this? Could it be hormones or something at certain times? I honestly donít know I wish I could say. But like you said it may be just as the day goes on & as itís still kind of new, that sheís just a bit fed up sharing her husbun. Wgat lovey positive interactions though not to be forgotten which is great . Things seem to be going better as the time goes on. Love that they were all sleeping on the blanket. I can imagine you were exhausted. Glad you got a rest. When I do bonding in the neutral room neither have been, Iíll be sleeping in there as Iíll be so worried as bonds might not be strong at first & incase they fought. Otherwise I wouldnít sleep lol. Thatís so adorable that the boy is loving having 2 wives at his beck & call & heís keeping A warm & cozy. Keep us posted on the process please


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    Good luck with getting any sleep in the bonding room 😄 I swear mine wait for me to get settled and then start their funny business.

    Weíve had a strange 24 hours. B&C have completely ignored A. Theyíve been acting as they would downstairs without her - cuddling each other, napping together and playing etc. A has really tried her best to squeeze in on the action and has been following C around. Sheís like her shadow and will follow her from blanket to blanket wanting to be next to her.

    Obviously C hates it. She keeps telling her off for following and moves away. A will then leave it a few minutes before following again.

    A was eating her hay with her back to C while she was sleeping. C woke up, did a bit stretch and squeezed in between A and the wall to share her hay. It was like she forgot they were feuding but then snapped back into reality after a few minutes and chased A off.

    At another point, C was sleeping and A crept closer and closer to her like a ninja, stopping every time C looked at her. She got next to C and rested her head against hers. C jumped up and lunged before then doing a full roll over back to sleep. Undeterred, A rolled into her which made C freak out and chase her off again. She is allowing A to sleep on her blanket though and theyíve shared all meals today.

    Itís very difficult to watch her trying so hard but left out all of the time.

    B has spent a record amount of time sleeping, probably recovering from all of the excitement. Heís been keeping more to himself today and letting his women come to him when they want him.

    We heard back from the rescue and can go and see a suitable older gentleman rabbit this weekend if we want to. Itís such a tough decision. I donít know if this indifference is a step forwards or backwards so hoping theyíll give me an indication tonight on what they want to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bun4Life View Post
    Good luck with getting any sleep in the bonding room I swear mine wait for me to get settled and then start their funny business.

    Weíve had a strange 24 hours. B&C have completely ignored A. Theyíve been acting as they would downstairs without her - cuddling each other, napping together and playing etc. A has really tried her best to squeeze in on the action and has been following C around. Sheís like her shadow and will follow her from blanket to blanket wanting to be next to her.

    Obviously C hates it. She keeps telling her off for following and moves away. A will then leave it a few minutes before following again.

    A was eating her hay with her back to C while she was sleeping. C woke up, did a bit stretch and squeezed in between A and the wall to share her hay. It was like she forgot they were feuding but then snapped back into reality after a few minutes and chased A off.

    At another point, C was sleeping and A crept closer and closer to her like a ninja, stopping every time C looked at her. She got next to C and rested her head against hers. C jumped up and lunged before then doing a full roll over back to sleep. Undeterred, A rolled into her which made C freak out and chase her off again. She is allowing A to sleep on her blanket though and theyíve shared all meals today.

    Itís very difficult to watch her trying so hard but left out all of the time.

    B has spent a record amount of time sleeping, probably recovering from all of the excitement. Heís been keeping more to himself today and letting his women come to him when they want him.

    We heard back from the rescue and can go and see a suitable older gentleman rabbit this weekend if we want to. Itís such a tough decision. I donít know if this indifference is a step forwards or backwards so hoping theyíll give me an indication tonight on what they want to do.
    Hi, I really felt for you & A reading this. I can understand it must be so so hard seeing A make such an effort but C sometimes chasing her etc. what a shame . I canít give advice as Iv not bonded before but it did tug at my heartstrings when I read about A wanting to be so close to C bless her. Others on her will be able to perhaps shed more light on the interactions so far. Sheís not actually attacking her or starting a fight which is good. If she really did t want her I think she would have attacked her like my Bella did. Itís a very hard decision about whether to get another bunny for A. Iím thinking Iíd maybe wait a wee bit longer & see but others will know more. Itís just if for eg you get another what if it doesnít work with them & A xx


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    Thank you for your kind words.

    Weíve had some developments. We reached the point where B&C were keeping themselves totally separate from A and full on ignoring her. Every time A would approach C would chase her away. It was as if theyíd drawn an invisible line in the room that she wasnít allowed to cross. B was then acting strangely and went off his food. He wasnít himself at all, not wanting to cuddle or play. We took him to the vets with C and he seemed to perk up. The vet couldnít find anything immediately obvious and so suggested ending the bonding as it could be the stress.

    I separated B&C from A and almost immediately B began to return to his normal self. They both relaxed and it was obvious how tired and worked up they were.

    A caught up on some sleep and still wouldnít venture past the invisible line for the day she spent alone. We then got a call from the rescue asking if we could urgently collect an older male. He was a house rabbit and his owner had given him up due to (the ownerís) ill health. He was struggling in the rescue and they wanted to find him an indoor home with a lady friend.

    So thatís how weíve ended up with D. D is around 5 but acts like a kit. Heís a big fluffy neutered lionhead who has never had a rabbit friend. He has a lovely temperament but can get easily over excited. This manifests as him zooming into things and trying to hump or climb everything.

    I cleaned out the neutral room and separated an area for D then brought A back in. They had brilliant fence contact with him cleaning her through it. He got EXTREMELY excited at the sight of her and couldnít control himself from binking and zooming and spraying everything. She liked the attention but kept cool. By the end of the day they were sleeping alongside each other with the fence between them.

    We then let them meet in the bathroom, this went very well. A got thoroughly cleaned and D was very floppy and cuddly. We moved them into the neutral room and they spent 24 hours getting on perfectly.

    Out of nowhere A was getting cleaned and had her head tucked under Dís tummy, as they had done several times, and she bit him. This made him latch on to her back and they were both gripped on to each other doing that awful circle of doom thing. No one was injured fortunately although D had some fur pulled. I got several cuts to the hands.

    Since then, A has been very jumpy and will react to him running to her/zooming/binking/spraying/cleaning her back. Weíve had no more bites due to me intervening but when she does growl and go to nip, D will poise himself ready to launch into a brawl.

    Itís incredibly stressful and confusing. They both still sleep and snuggle together, A is getting cleaned lots and they share food. Just every now and then when he gets excited it has the potential to turn into a nasty fight.

    Iím not sure where to go from here. I could separate them with a fence but that seems a shame as the cuddles would stop. I could leave them together but they require 24 hour supervision which is very difficult, especially with Christmas coming up.

    (B&C are back to their usual happy selves downstairs. Although they do run from the door to upstairs whenever I open it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bun4Life View Post
    Thank you for your kind words.

    Weíve had some developments. We reached the point where B&C were keeping themselves totally separate from A and full on ignoring her. Every time A would approach C would chase her away. It was as if theyíd drawn an invisible line in the room that she wasnít allowed to cross. B was then acting strangely and went off his food. He wasnít himself at all, not wanting to cuddle or play. We took him to the vets with C and he seemed to perk up. The vet couldnít find anything immediately obvious and so suggested ending the bonding as it could be the stress.

    I separated B&C from A and almost immediately B began to return to his normal self. They both relaxed and it was obvious how tired and worked up they were.

    A caught up on some sleep and still wouldnít venture past the invisible line for the day she spent alone. We then got a call from the rescue asking if we could urgently collect an older male. He was a house rabbit and his owner had given him up due to (the ownerís) ill health. He was struggling in the rescue and they wanted to find him an indoor home with a lady friend.

    So thatís how weíve ended up with D. D is around 5 but acts like a kit. Heís a big fluffy neutered lionhead who has never had a rabbit friend. He has a lovely temperament but can get easily over excited. This manifests as him zooming into things and trying to hump or climb everything.

    I cleaned out the neutral room and separated an area for D then brought A back in. They had brilliant fence contact with him cleaning her through it. He got EXTREMELY excited at the sight of her and couldnít control himself from binking and zooming and spraying everything. She liked the attention but kept cool. By the end of the day they were sleeping alongside each other with the fence between them.

    We then let them meet in the bathroom, this went very well. A got thoroughly cleaned and D was very floppy and cuddly. We moved them into the neutral room and they spent 24 hours getting on perfectly.

    Out of nowhere A was getting cleaned and had her head tucked under Dís tummy, as they had done several times, and she bit him. This made him latch on to her back and they were both gripped on to each other doing that awful circle of doom thing. No one was injured fortunately although D had some fur pulled. I got several cuts to the hands.

    Since then, A has been very jumpy and will react to him running to her/zooming/binking/spraying/cleaning her back. Weíve had no more bites due to me intervening but when she does growl and go to nip, D will poise himself ready to launch into a brawl.

    Itís incredibly stressful and confusing. They both still sleep and snuggle together, A is getting cleaned lots and they share food. Just every now and then when he gets excited it has the potential to turn into a nasty fight.

    Iím not sure where to go from here. I could separate them with a fence but that seems a shame as the cuddles would stop. I could leave them together but they require 24 hour supervision which is very difficult, especially with Christmas coming up.

    (B&C are back to their usual happy selves downstairs. Although they do run from the door to upstairs whenever I open it).
    Hi, gosh youve really had a stressful time of it . I really feel for you in all this. You are trying to do your best for all your bunnies. I think getting another friend for A was a good thing. Iíd perhaps have taken her to a rescue to try bonding there. I wish Iíd done this & only say it because sometimes they might not get on. I worry sick for my 2 after a bad experience. They are living with a divider. Iím going to try bonding again. It sounded really positive but it seems to me that maybe A being older that sheís getting upset by the excitement & as she had bitten d he was in defence. Because Iv never bonded Iím just not the best to give advice but I hope you get some from experienced owners on here for your situation. How are things going between them now? It could just take a bit of time but the latching on thing I think thatís a fight, must have been so scared for you. The boy we got was getting very frustrated in the sspca around all the other rabbits & he doesnít seem to be the aggressor itís my girl Bella. Iím glad your other 2 are happy again. They must like being in a pair together themselves.xx


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bun4Life View Post
    Thank you for your kind words.

    Weíve had some developments. We reached the point where B&C were keeping themselves totally separate from A and full on ignoring her. Every time A would approach C would chase her away. It was as if theyíd drawn an invisible line in the room that she wasnít allowed to cross. B was then acting strangely and went off his food. He wasnít himself at all, not wanting to cuddle or play. We took him to the vets with C and he seemed to perk up. The vet couldnít find anything immediately obvious and so suggested ending the bonding as it could be the stress.

    I separated B&C from A and almost immediately B began to return to his normal self. They both relaxed and it was obvious how tired and worked up they were.

    A caught up on some sleep and still wouldnít venture past the invisible line for the day she spent alone. We then got a call from the rescue asking if we could urgently collect an older male. He was a house rabbit and his owner had given him up due to (the ownerís) ill health. He was struggling in the rescue and they wanted to find him an indoor home with a lady friend.

    So thatís how weíve ended up with D. D is around 5 but acts like a kit. Heís a big fluffy neutered lionhead who has never had a rabbit friend. He has a lovely temperament but can get easily over excited. This manifests as him zooming into things and trying to hump or climb everything.

    I cleaned out the neutral room and separated an area for D then brought A back in. They had brilliant fence contact with him cleaning her through it. He got EXTREMELY excited at the sight of her and couldnít control himself from binking and zooming and spraying everything. She liked the attention but kept cool. By the end of the day they were sleeping alongside each other with the fence between them.

    We then let them meet in the bathroom, this went very well. A got thoroughly cleaned and D was very floppy and cuddly. We moved them into the neutral room and they spent 24 hours getting on perfectly.

    Out of nowhere A was getting cleaned and had her head tucked under Dís tummy, as they had done several times, and she bit him. This made him latch on to her back and they were both gripped on to each other doing that awful circle of doom thing. No one was injured fortunately although D had some fur pulled. I got several cuts to the hands.

    Since then, A has been very jumpy and will react to him running to her/zooming/binking/spraying/cleaning her back. Weíve had no more bites due to me intervening but when she does growl and go to nip, D will poise himself ready to launch into a brawl.

    Itís incredibly stressful and confusing. They both still sleep and snuggle together, A is getting cleaned lots and they share food. Just every now and then when he gets excited it has the potential to turn into a nasty fight.

    Iím not sure where to go from here. I could separate them with a fence but that seems a shame as the cuddles would stop. I could leave them together but they require 24 hour supervision which is very difficult, especially with Christmas coming up.

    (B&C are back to their usual happy selves downstairs. Although they do run from the door to upstairs whenever I open it).
    It sounds like if a is getting cleaned a lot that she may be the accepted dominant bun of the 2. If they really hated eachother there would be no snuggling or sleeping together & thatís a really good sign as well as grooming. I hope it was just a blip & maybe d will realise a gets a bit startled when he gets excited bless him. Xx


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    Hi, how is the bonding situation going? Xx


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    Quote Originally Posted by Clair071085 View Post
    Hi, how is the bonding situation going? Xx


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    Hi Clair, thank you for your support. Apologies for not updating sooner, it's been quite a stressful time with a bit of covid thrown in too

    It's been 4 weeks now and we're still having the same problems. A&D have been bonding daily every day since my last post. A goes to her room of an evening to get a full sleep and there's a fence at her door where D can visit. He will sleep in his own room and come check on her regularly throughout the night. There has been no nipping/aggression through the fence.

    Each morning, the fence gate is opened and A takes herself to the bonding room swiftly followed by D. When they meet in there, D is excited and will do a few binks. A is keen for cuddles and kisses so will snuggle into him and bow her head. He will give a few kisses before the excitement gets too much and he has to bink more. They then settle for the day.

    They eat together and share food with no problems. They will sleep properly with each other. A does some lovely flop rolls into him and seems to really enjoy his warmth (she is a tiny thing). D is also a flop monster and will sleep almost on his back. They will lounge, groom each other, snuggle, explore together etc. I introduced toys and took away a bathroom so they were left with just one - no issues, they play well together and there has been zero dominance over toilets/food/toys/blankets.

    The issue we're still having, and the reason they're still supervised the entire time, is D doesn't seem to be able to control himself at times. When he first latched on to A's back in that first week, he caused a scratch which scabbed over. Since then, when he cleans A, he will gradually move to the same spot on her back and nibble at the spot. D usually firstly responds by backing up so that her head is positioned under his again to redirect his cleans. When it happens again, she either gets annoyed and walks away or she will give him a warning nip. Some times it's left there and he'll lower his head and settle. Other times, he will chase after her trying to grab on to her back. This will then result in A spinning around to warn him off, he snaps back and they tussle.

    On 4 occasions, he has charged at her and pinned her, fell to his side and kicked her. They will both latch on and seem to grip on to fur as opposed to skin. Neither has suffered more than a scratch. After each fight or tussle, they will be separated but immediately try to get to each other. Then, when they're back together, A asks for a clean and D will give it before wanting to snuggle. They'll then settle nicely.

    I try to stop D each time he tries to "clean" the spot on her back but he is relentless. As a result, they need watching constantly.

    In all my years of bunny bonding, I've never had anything like this. 4 weeks in and they appear bonded but have the potential to erupt so need constant supervision. I'm not sure how to progress beyond this point. I've thought it could be boredom with D so I've tried playing with him whenever he starts to get manic about cleaning her. I've considered putting a cape on A so that her back is covered I've groomed her back fully to make sure there is nothing there to pick at. I've tried distracting D with treats, grooming him, stroking him, making noises - everything that I can think of.

    At this rate, I can't see that we will ever reach a point where they can be left unsupervised. I'm reluctant to give up on them as when they're good, they're brilliant. My little A has been through so much lately too and seems to enjoy being settled with him. As you say, if they hated each other then there wouldn't be so much positivity.

    I wish I had taken her bunny bonding but as there was only one bun available for adoption and she got on well with him straight away, we likely would have ended up with the same situation.

    Gah! They really do know how to test us these buns

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bun4Life View Post
    Hi Clair, thank you for your support. Apologies for not updating sooner, it's been quite a stressful time with a bit of covid thrown in too

    It's been 4 weeks now and we're still having the same problems. A&D have been bonding daily every day since my last post. A goes to her room of an evening to get a full sleep and there's a fence at her door where D can visit. He will sleep in his own room and come check on her regularly throughout the night. There has been no nipping/aggression through the fence.

    Each morning, the fence gate is opened and A takes herself to the bonding room swiftly followed by D. When they meet in there, D is excited and will do a few binks. A is keen for cuddles and kisses so will snuggle into him and bow her head. He will give a few kisses before the excitement gets too much and he has to bink more. They then settle for the day.

    They eat together and share food with no problems. They will sleep properly with each other. A does some lovely flop rolls into him and seems to really enjoy his warmth (she is a tiny thing). D is also a flop monster and will sleep almost on his back. They will lounge, groom each other, snuggle, explore together etc. I introduced toys and took away a bathroom so they were left with just one - no issues, they play well together and there has been zero dominance over toilets/food/toys/blankets.

    The issue we're still having, and the reason they're still supervised the entire time, is D doesn't seem to be able to control himself at times. When he first latched on to A's back in that first week, he caused a scratch which scabbed over. Since then, when he cleans A, he will gradually move to the same spot on her back and nibble at the spot. D usually firstly responds by backing up so that her head is positioned under his again to redirect his cleans. When it happens again, she either gets annoyed and walks away or she will give him a warning nip. Some times it's left there and he'll lower his head and settle. Other times, he will chase after her trying to grab on to her back. This will then result in A spinning around to warn him off, he snaps back and they tussle.

    On 4 occasions, he has charged at her and pinned her, fell to his side and kicked her. They will both latch on and seem to grip on to fur as opposed to skin. Neither has suffered more than a scratch. After each fight or tussle, they will be separated but immediately try to get to each other. Then, when they're back together, A asks for a clean and D will give it before wanting to snuggle. They'll then settle nicely.

    I try to stop D each time he tries to "clean" the spot on her back but he is relentless. As a result, they need watching constantly.

    In all my years of bunny bonding, I've never had anything like this. 4 weeks in and they appear bonded but have the potential to erupt so need constant supervision. I'm not sure how to progress beyond this point. I've thought it could be boredom with D so I've tried playing with him whenever he starts to get manic about cleaning her. I've considered putting a cape on A so that her back is covered I've groomed her back fully to make sure there is nothing there to pick at. I've tried distracting D with treats, grooming him, stroking him, making noises - everything that I can think of.

    At this rate, I can't see that we will ever reach a point where they can be left unsupervised. I'm reluctant to give up on them as when they're good, they're brilliant. My little A has been through so much lately too and seems to enjoy being settled with him. As you say, if they hated each other then there wouldn't be so much positivity.

    I wish I had taken her bunny bonding but as there was only one bun available for adoption and she got on well with him straight away, we likely would have ended up with the same situation.

    Gah! They really do know how to test us these buns
    Morning, just wanted to message now to say Iv got a busy day but later on message back as been thinking of you & the buns & when I get time will come on to message you properly xx


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