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    Quote Originally Posted by Walli View Post
    Poor Casper and you
    Completely understand your frustration, I would not be happy with that plan either
    Can you consult another more specialized vet?
    I don't understand how emeprid would cause the problems but yeah, metacam can cause gastritis and ulcers
    Sending a million vibes for Casper and Sophie!
    Thank you for the vibes and for understanding, Walli. I've been thinking of getting a second opinion at some other practice, but I don't actually know which vets around here know much about bunnies. I also don't really know how that would work, because it seems kind of rude to go to another practice? I don't know what the rules are in such a situation, and I don't want to offend my vets, because I've been with them for a really long time.
    I hope Casper doesn't have gastritis or an ulcer. I wonder if the higher dose Metacam he's been getting for the past week and a half could be a problem... He's been on Metacam for about 4 years now, I think, and never had a problem, but maybe raising the dosage cause an issue...
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    I've been thinking of getting a second opinion at some other practice, but I don't actually know which vets around here know much about bunnies. I also don't really know how that would work, because it seems kind of rude to go to another practice? I don't know what the rules are in such a situation, and I don't want to offend my vets, because I've been with them for a really long time.
    If you're paying for treatment rather than getting it free/subsidised, you should be absolutely able to go where you like, where you get the best care. I am a bit of a 'sticker' as well, my vets aren't 100% the best but they're pretty good and they're conveniently located. If I wasn't happy with anything I'd totally be getting a second opinion, if not moving on entirely. It's not rude, it's practical But I know how you feel!

    The very best wishes for them both. My vet says that even with the 'risks', metacam 'longterm' is usually better than none, as the side effects are quite late developing and improve quality in the short term. I haven't heard about emeprid/metoclopramide causing longterm issues in rabbits, but the risks with metacam are well-known (although how well they're understood is a different matter, and I don't know about that).

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    Quote Originally Posted by a reader of books View Post
    Thank you for the vibes and for understanding, Walli. I've been thinking of getting a second opinion at some other practice, but I don't actually know which vets around here know much about bunnies. I also don't really know how that would work, because it seems kind of rude to go to another practice? I don't know what the rules are in such a situation, and I don't want to offend my vets, because I've been with them for a really long time.
    I hope Casper doesn't have gastritis or an ulcer. I wonder if the higher dose Metacam he's been getting for the past week and a half could be a problem... He's been on Metacam for about 4 years now, I think, and never had a problem, but maybe raising the dosage cause an issue...
    I understand it could feel a bit awkward taking him somewhere else but I don't think you will offend them or be rude at all! You are a paying customer and you can go somewhere else if you are not happy with the treatment
    You and Casper deserves a treatment plan that you feel fine with
    I have no idea which practices is specialized in rabbits in The Netherlands though

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    Emiprid can cause cramping. Please let you bunnies know it is bunny momma tested for their safety because I got it myself after abdominal surgeries.
    When I used it long term in an older bunny he developed a movement disorder in his neck-a twitch. Similar to what humans can get. I never had this with any other bunnies and some were on it for months.

    IMO withdrawing everything is unusual, especially syringe feeds and medicam. Though I once had a bunny who lost his appetite when he was given Medicam which I did not experience with other bunnies. Though both of yours were eating on Medicam. If they are concerned about ulcer, I would have expected them to add a medication to help heal/protect their stomach.

    If they used carrots that were not grated/sliced thin the vets may have been testing to see if they could be tempted to eat a harder food than they would get with grass or other greens. Of course I would not give too much of any unfamiliar food to any bunny.

    I would also be apprehensive about stopping syringe feeds since they give added fluids and help keep things moving. Though they are both still nibbling food /pooping so perhaps monitor them closely for any changes and restart if necessary.

    Sending lots of healing vibes to Sophie and Casper. Sending you some gently hugs too.
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    On the whole it seems Casper & Sophie has had excellent care at that practice so some of the vets must be good? But this one vet sounds a bit odd to say the least. I think if you come up with a plan that deviates from usual practice you should at least explain yourself. Is there any capacity to see a favourite vet there? I know its awkward when they need an emergency vet but it would be good to have that vet assigned to Sophie & Casper. I think with elderlies & long term ill having consistency of care is important. Would you feel confident speaking to practice manager & requesting this perhaps? I think their response might encourage me to leave or stay - depending how they dealt with it. You could nicely raise the issue that you work hard to keep S&C's diet as natural as possible & to cover that & give consistency you bring them appropriate food that was ignored in favour of rabbit appropriate stuff. If they defend carrots its a bit of a red flag perhaps

    Hope they are both Ok, you too

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    Sending lots of vibes, it’s very difficult when a vet isn’t acting as you would expect.

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    Is Casper doing ok today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joey&boo View Post
    Is Casper doing ok today?
    Oh, that's kind of you to ask. He wasn't doing well this morning, back to barely eating and not moving much, so I called the vets and he's back on Emeprid, though his Metacam dosage is still half of what it has been this past week (his normal dosage before it was upped last week). He's eating some greens now, so that's better. I expressed some of my frustrations to the vet nurse and she said she understood, but seemed to be saying that since Casper is old, we can't do much for him, and it's to be expected that he'll have problems. I can pick up some probiotics this afternoon she said, so I'll do that, and she was going to ask the vet who's working today (the vet who put Casper on buprenorphine last week) if she had any ideas. Since Casper is eating grass and I only have a small amount of it, she said I can pick some for him outside, and I said that all the grass around here is in areas where people let their dogs pee on it, and she said that was fine, because the grass they gave Casper and Sophie yesterday was from a little park where dogs pee on the grass, too. Not too happy with that.


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    You know Dr. Frances Harcourt Brown that gets mentioned a lot (the first rabbit specialist in the UK, now retired) - she said don't worry about dog wee, gave the impression it was the last thing to be concerned about. I try to avoid areas where dogs could wee when foraging but I bet such areas are fewer than I imagine. On occasion a bit of nice looking forage gets rejected by both J&B here - I reckon thats the stuff that has been in contact with wee. But if Frances says don't worry, I don't worry If you can get your mum or dad to pick regularly for you I'd jump at the chance. you can give it a good rinse. Obviously you're call though.

    Well I'm pleased he is back on his Emperid & the vet nurse seems on side & will talk to the better vet

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    Quote Originally Posted by joey&boo View Post
    You know Dr. Frances Harcourt Brown that gets mentioned a lot (the first rabbit specialist in the UK, now retired) - she said don't worry about dog wee, gave the impression it was the last thing to be concerned about. I try to avoid areas where dogs could wee when foraging but I bet such areas are fewer than I imagine. On occasion a bit of nice looking forage gets rejected by both J&B here - I reckon thats the stuff that has been in contact with wee. But if Frances says don't worry, I don't worry If you can get your mum or dad to pick regularly for you I'd jump at the chance. you can give it a good rinse. Obviously you're call though.

    Well I'm pleased he is back on his Emperid & the vet nurse seems on side & will talk to the better vet
    Oh, dog pee isn't a problem? I do know Dr. Frances Harcourt Brown is, like, a super bunny specialist, so if she says not to worry... What about wild bunnies? Because the only area I can think of where the grass doesn't get mown is an area near allotment gardens where wild bunnies like to visit. Is that safe?

    Thank you. I'm pleased about that, too.
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