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    So we are attempting to bond them again starting this evening.

    I was so tired when I woke up today so we thought it would be best to get the puppy pen ready for them and then I got another sleep for a couple of hours this afternoon as I would have to stay up tonight to keep an eye on them.

    We have put them in a 6 panel puppy pen to keep it small to start with. There is not much room after we put in 2 litter trays, 2 bowls of water and their tray of hay. We have found that they prefer to eat hay off the floor so we put their hay in a tray from the bottom of a small dog crate (which we had to throw out as it was getting rusty). They seem to like this.

    Here are some pics of the set up for them tonight...

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    We put them in the puppy pen at the same time and straight away they both started to eat hay. Lillabelle from a litter tray and Mischief from the tray of hay. Within a minute of being in there they nose bumped each other. Then Mischief bowed down to be groomed and Lillabelle groomed his back. Since then Lillabelle has groomed his back a few times. They have laid down together touching noses. And happily sat eating hay side by side.

    A couple of times Lillabelle has bowed down to be groomed aswell and Mischief has laid down next to him pushing her face away and putting his face next to hers. I guess he is saying that he is dominant and should be the one to be groomed?

    Also a couple of times Mischief has asked to be groomed and Lillabelle has gone to groom his rear end to which Mischief turned to ask her to groom his face. Then she turned around to groom his back again. It started a mini circle and I was on alert as it looked like a slow tornado but then they would both stop and sit down. So I was like 'phew!' I wonder if Lillabelle gets a bit confused which part of Mischief she should be grooming

    Also Mischief has groomed Lillabelle's head a couple of times which I think is so sweet of him. We are really happy so far with how they are doing. It is as if they have not been seperated.

    I fed them veggies and pellets before we put them together so we don't have to worry about them fighting over food. All they have is hay tonight. In the morning I thought I would scatter pellets down for them and give them a platter of veggies to share if all is still going well. We aren't going to feed them treats for now as it seemed to cause a quarrel before.

    I thought I would open the puppy pen out to 8 panels tonight so they have more space. Mischief keeps scratching the floor as if he is agitated and if we go close to the puppy pen he sits by the door asking to come out. Maybe it would help to increase their space?

    One thing that does concern me is that Lillabelle is acting really clingy to Mischief and won't leave him alone. If he sits in a litter tray she squashes herself in next to him, sometimes even sitting on his head. And she is continuously putting her head down low to him. I'm wondering if she is challenging him to be groomed or if she is just extra clingy because they were split up recently. And sometimes Mischief asks to be groomed and she just lies her head down to him back. Perhaps I'm over worrying?

    Here are some more pics I have taken so far...please excuse Mischief. I did groom him today however his fur is not ready to come out yet so he still looks scruffy. They are not the best photos as we don't really have enough space to get the best shots.

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    Some more pix. Managed to get Lillabelle grooming Mischief.

    I have realised why they are circling. Lillabelle once again keeps trying to groom his tail area. He does not like his nether regions touched (or groomed)

    We have extended their area to 8 panels now so they have more space for overnight. I also gave them some cardboard and chew toys as it stops Mischief from digging and chewing their new bunny quilt. They have accepted these new changes without incident which is good news!

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    I also weighed Mischief today and his weight has stayed the same at 5.2 kgs. He does feel as if he has gained weight though so I guess our scales are not able to pick up the small changes as they only go to 0.1 of a decimal point.

    He feels a decent weight now and he feels less bony now his fur has started to grow back so I will just keep a close eye on it. He is eating/drinking/pooping well so I'm not particularly worried.

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    Yeah that definitely sounds like they're sorting out their dominance issues through grooming requests at the moment.

    Blossom does the sniffing around the bum area to Rodney as well. He's also touchy about it and jumps up and spins at her but she just gives in after that and grooms his head a teeny bit. So it sounds like Lillabelle isn't ready to do that yet.



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    I can't help with bonding questions but I feel sorry for Lillabelle. Mischief is always waiting for service from Lillabelle,Mischief lies in all the pictures, it always seems like Lillabelle who serves, the men are always the same. Also, the last picture is my favourite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarelessSquid07 View Post
    Yeah that definitely sounds like they're sorting out their dominance issues through grooming requests at the moment.

    Blossom does the sniffing around the bum area to Rodney as well. He's also touchy about it and jumps up and spins at her but she just gives in after that and grooms his head a teeny bit. So it sounds like Lillabelle isn't ready to do that yet.



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    Yes she keeps grooming his back and his shoulders but not his head. I wondered if it's because she is a baby and doesn't really get what she is supposed to do? However, if she is holding out on grooming his head that is different. Every time I look up at them from playing solitaire on my phone to stay awake she is grooming his back/shoulders. So at least she is accepting he is the dominant one I guess?

    Mischief does the same as Rodney and spins round to face her. Then she tries to groom his behind area and he spins around again. So starts the circling effect. I really hope she gives in and grooms his head.

    They were more peaceful earlier. They were both asleep and Mischief was snoring

    Now they are more active again. Lillabelle keeps bowing her head asking to be groomed and Mischief then bows his head down and nudges her head away. A minute ago Lillabelle jumped out the litter tray behind Mischief and he jumped round so fast in alarm. I think she spooked him and it clearly shows he is not feeling 100% safe in her company yet. It will take time to build trust I guess.

    She is starting to groom his shoulders more as if she is slowly creeping up nearer his face Mischief just groomed the top of her head too which is cute. Does that mean anything if he is grooming her also? Is it possible for 2 bunnies to live harmoniously without there being a definite top bunny out of interest? Or with a very subtle difference in dominance between them? Or is there always an obvious boss?

    My OH has put the velcro fastening that holds the door on the puppy pen away somewhere and I can't find it! Mischief keeps trying to knock the door off with the top of his head and when I stop him he claws at the floor. He desperately wants to come out already. They have only been in there 10 hours or so. He is getting really agitated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KCG View Post
    I can't help with bonding questions but I feel sorry for Lillabelle. Mischief is always waiting for service from Lillabelle,Mischief lies in all the pictures, it always seems like Lillabelle who serves, the men are always the same. Also, the last picture is my favourite.
    I get what you are saying and I do feel for Lillabelle as she is a baby and it seems a lot is expected of her. Mischief is demanding but he is a lot bigger and older than her and so should be the dominant bunny. I feel that is his rightful place right now and we did get Lillabelle as a companion for him so would love for him to get the attention from his lady friend and rule the roost.

    Also I think he would need to make the most of it while he can. It's not actually true that the man lies down and the woman serves in the rabbit world. It is the strongest and biggest that is usually dominant and females are usually bigger than males. So it's more than likely that as soon as Lillabelle is big enough she will probably argue that she is the dominant one and the dynamics will change. This bond will not be secure until she is full grown and they again argue as to who is boss.

    Lillabelle's parents are both bigger than Mischief. Her mum is slightly bigger than Mischief but her dad is absolutely huge! So it's likely that she will be bigger than him

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    And more pix...

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    These are some wonderful photographs of your beautiful bunnies, hope all goes well and sorry for just looking at the photos I am no help with bonding x

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