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    Moving on from Leo's wife bun thread.....we have some news. News I'm still trying to process and I'm still quite numb.
    An hour ago, our local Blue cross rang in connection with our enquiry about a rabbit that they had just taken into their care. A 2 year old medium lop - and you won't quite believe the photos of her when I eventually post them.
    We've been offered the chance to adopt this little bunny. This of course is dependant on our set up and how things go. It is not as straightforward as it might seem.
    This little bunny is 2 years old. She lived with 2 males who sadly passed and they passed about 3 months apart. It was natural causes - so not a virus/mixi related issue. Incredibly sad. The bunny lived with a family and she was well looked after with the 2 other rabbits. She loved hoomans and would happily sit for 'hours' at a time on the settee with the children just being stroked and chilling out.
    Sadly the family are also moving and are not now able to spend the time with her and so she has come into care. As a result, she has become completely withdrawn, loss of confidence and clearly grieving her little heart out.
    She enjoyed free roam of the families garden and clearly felt secure with her companions. And clearly shared indoor time.
    Since coming into care, she was with a foster carer and she had a big double hutch and run. She managed to push the door open one night, go into the run, push the run out of the way and was free roaming in the garden. The next day she did the same and found a hole in the fence and made her way into a neighbours garden! Clearly she is reacting with all the negative emotions she must be feeling - confused, lost, alone.
    She is now in a puppy run at the centre - not ideal but it is the safest environment for her under the present situation.
    She's had a bit of a boxing match with the foster carer and one of the rescue centre staff but no outward agression. She becomes curious after a while.
    She is dealing with so many emotions now - moving from a stable home, to a foster home to now a puppy pen, on her own, and not knowing what tomorrow brings for her.
    Well, as it currently stands, she may be coming here with us but I now feel very much out of my depth. There is a really lovely bunny beneath the emotional pain she is in. It's just getting past that barrier whilst (a) trying to keep her safe (b) trying to facilitate a bond and (c) working out how and where to keep her during the process. I don't feel quite prepared. I can bring the outside hutch in to the kitchen/diner area and put additional bolts on the door to prevent her from pushing it open.
    It's the boxing bit that gives me concern. But it's a fight or flight reaction and I'm sure once she feels comfortable in the garden and knows that she can spend time in that space under supervision, and hopefully realises there's another rabbit there, then she may settle down and relax and feel settled? She sounds like she is dominant but then Lillian was.
    It's all alot of unknowns for me now. I'm nervous, anxious and feel very unprepared. Mentally I'm still grieving myself so I know how this bunny feels.
    I'm having a more detailled pre-adoption chat with the blue cross next week with a view to taking her in here at the back end of next week - which has more than some irony in it because it will be exactly 1 year on February 4th that we got Leo. And I'm not sure how he will react.
    If anyone has any views, then please let me have them. This is not a small step for me - it's one that I'm more than anxious about.
    Craig x
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    My initial quick response was that such an intuitive person as you would be great for this rabbit. Honestly your set up and and your sensitivity sounds to be just what she needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig 1965 View Post
    Moving on from Leo's wife bun thread.....we have some news. News I'm still trying to process and I'm still quite numb.
    An hour ago, our local Blue cross rang in connection with our enquiry about a rabbit that they had just taken into their care. A 2 year old medium lop - and you won't quite believe the photos of her when I eventually post them.
    We've been offered the chance to adopt this little bunny. This of course is dependant on our set up and how things go. It is not as straightforward as it might seem.
    This little bunny is 2 years old. She lived with 2 males who sadly passed and they passed about 3 months apart. It was natural causes - so not a virus/mixi related issue. Incredibly sad. The bunny lived with a family and she was well looked after with the 2 other rabbits. She loved hoomans and would happily sit for 'hours' at a time on the settee with the children just being stroked and chilling out.
    Sadly the family are also moving and are not now able to spend the time with her and so she has come into care. As a result, she has become completely withdrawn, loss of confidence and clearly grieving her little heart out.
    She enjoyed free roam of the families garden and clearly felt secure with her companions. And clearly shared indoor time.
    Since coming into care, she was with a foster carer and she had a big double hutch and run. She managed to push the door open one night, go into the run, push the run out of the way and was free roaming in the garden. The next day she did the same and found a hole in the fence and made her way into a neighbours garden! Clearly she is reacting with all the negative emotions she must be feeling - confused, lost, alone.
    She is now in a puppy run at the centre - not ideal but it is the safest environment for her under the present situation.
    She's had a bit of a boxing match with the foster carer and one of the rescue centre staff but no outward agression. She becomes curious after a while.
    She is dealing with so many emotions now - moving from a stable home, to a foster home to now a puppy pen, on her own, and not knowing what tomorrow brings for her.
    Well, as it currently stands, she may be coming here with us but I now feel very much out of my depth. There is a really lovely bunny beneath the emotional pain she is in. It's just getting past that barrier whilst (a) trying to keep her safe (b) trying to facilitate a bond and (c) working out how and where to keep her during the process. I don't feel quite prepared. I can bring the outside hutch in to the kitchen/diner area and put additional bolts on the door to prevent her from pushing it open.
    It's the boxing bit that gives me concern. But it's a fight or flight reaction and I'm sure once she feels comfortable in the garden and knows that she can spend time in that space under supervision, and hopefully realises there's another rabbit there, then she may settle down and relax and feel settled? She sounds like she is dominant but then Lillian was.
    It's all alot of unknowns for me now. I'm nervous, anxious and feel very unprepared. Mentally I'm still grieving myself so I know how this bunny feels.
    I'm having a more detailled pre-adoption chat with the blue cross next week with a view to taking her in here at the back end of next week - which has more than some irony in it because it will be exactly 1 year on February 4th that we got Leo. And I'm not sure how he will react.
    If anyone has any views, then please let me have them. This is not a small step for me - it's one that I'm more than anxious about.
    Craig x
    Atticus used to box me and attack me. He had a traumatic experience when he was neutered. I didn't know what to do with him. It was actually really scary being on the receiving end of that. Rabbits can be really aggressive

    No advice, except I'd consider whether you could cope with it yourself.. I found it very difficult tbh. If you can't I don't think there's any shame in that, she needs a home that will work with her by the sounds of it.

    Really tough situation x

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    As you say, bunny has gone through a lot of changes, and it was very much the same story for Fern when I met her at the rescue. She had been rescued from a group of rabbits running wild in a garden, being bred for meat since then she had been moved from the original rescue who didn’t normally have rabbits, to BARC, where she was in foster care, spayed, then after recovering from the spay, moved to the main rescue a day or so before I went to see her. So I excused her behaviour when we opened the hutch because I kid you not, she growled, stamped her front foot at me and threatened to nip me but I thought, challenge accepted. And she has never done that again since. She is dominant, and was of Frosty, but loves a headrub and she’s a lovely bunny who settled in at our house straight away

    So try not to be too nervous, I know it’s a big thing but you are a great bunny carer and I feel like it is meant to be

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoobec View Post
    As you say, bunny has gone through a lot of changes, and it was very much the same story for Fern when I met her at the rescue. She had been rescued from a group of rabbits running wild in a garden, being bred for meat since then she had been moved from the original rescue who didn’t normally have rabbits, to BARC, where she was in foster care, spayed, then after recovering from the spay, moved to the main rescue a day or so before I went to see her. So I excused her behaviour when we opened the hutch because I kid you not, she growled, stamped her front foot at me and threatened to nip me but I thought, challenge accepted. And she has never done that again since. She is dominant, and was of Frosty, but loves a headrub and she’s a lovely bunny who settled in at our house straight away

    So try not to be too nervous, I know it’s a big thing but you are a great bunny carer and I feel like it is meant to be
    Thank you Zoobec - you've made me cry now....but it's because of your supportive words.
    Thank you also Tulsi & Graciee. I really appreciate your views and support.
    Craig xx
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    The defensive boxing behaviour might be really difficult to handle during bonding ...not with Leo but if you had to intervene. That would be my worry. But I'm very hands on when I bond so I guess it depend on your approach. Good luck with your decision. I think it needs to feel right in your head & heart, hopefully the chat with Blue Cross will help with that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig 1965 View Post
    Thank you Zoobec - you've made me cry now....but it's because of your supportive words.
    Thank you also Tulsi & Graciee. I really appreciate your views and support.
    Craig xx
    I think bunny might settle down with time and space, if you donít give her cause to have to be defensive then she wonít need to be. You will be bringer of food and she will recognise you for that, and learn to feel safe.

    Quote Originally Posted by joey&boo View Post
    The defensive boxing behaviour might be really difficult to handle during bonding ...not with Leo but if you had to intervene. That would be my worry. But I'm very hands on when I bond so I guess it depend on your approach. Good luck with your decision. I think it needs to feel right in your head & heart, hopefully the chat with Blue Cross will help with that
    This is true. When I brought Fern home I had her in a spare hutch for a night so she could get used to me, then I put both in the bonding pen the next day. Because Fern was very skittish with me (at the time) I didnít intervene at all and did not try to interact with either bunny, apart from to put food in and once I did have to stop a scuffle, using a dustpan slid between them. I let her see Frosty come to me and she learnt to trust me by seeing that it was ok. I let her bond with Frosty before she bonded with me, if that makes sense.

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    I think you should consider how she and Leo would get along together. She sounds like a strong, forceful character, but she is probably just very scared. I don't know how long she was at the foster carer's, but it's very possible that after a short while she would have calmed down once she knew she wasn't in any danger. The fact that she lived happily with two separate bucks would suggest that she would be able to bond with Leo. However, you know his personality and if after having her for a while you consider that they would not make a happy couple, you presumably would have the option of returning her to the rescue, as difficult as that would be.

    The other issue, which would concern me is how she would react to being out in your garden. I don't know if this is something that she was used to doing in her previous home, but it is something that Leo gets a lot of enjoyment from. I would want to know that she would not be forever trying to escape as you would not be able to watch her the whole time. It's possible that this is something that was connected to her current state of anxiety, but it's also something to consider.

    I don't mean my post to come across as negative. I always like to try to consider all aspects and you did sound as though you wanted this too. It sounds as though this poor little bunny needs a special new home. Leo also needs a new bunny wife. Your difficult task is to assess whether this could work. I really hope that it will.

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    I've never bonded, and I've never had to deal with a boxing bunny, but this little girl sounds as though she has had an awful lot to deal with in a short space of time. I'm sure if anyone can help this little bunny settle down, and become trusting again, then I would put money on you Craig, and Jan too of course. Then hopefully in due course, you would be able to bond her with her Leo. Just my thoughts Craig, but it's how you both feel at the end of the day, and I know you will give it lots of thought before making a decision. Good luck xx
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omi View Post
    I think you should consider how she and Leo would get along together. She sounds like a strong, forceful character, but she is probably just very scared. I don't know how long she was at the foster carer's, but it's very possible that after a short while she would have calmed down once she knew she wasn't in any danger. The fact that she lived happily with two separate bucks would suggest that she would be able to bond with Leo. However, you know his personality and if after having her for a while you consider that they would not make a happy couple, you presumably would have the option of returning her to the rescue, as difficult as that would be.

    The other issue, which would concern me is how she would react to being out in your garden. I don't know if this is something that she was used to doing in her previous home, but it is something that Leo gets a lot of enjoyment from. I would want to know that she would not be forever trying to escape as you would not be able to watch her the whole time. It's possible that this is something that was connected to her current state of anxiety, but it's also something to consider.

    I don't mean my post to come across as negative. I always like to try to consider all aspects and you did sound as though you wanted this too. It sounds as though this poor little bunny needs a special new home. Leo also needs a new bunny wife. Your difficult task is to assess whether this could work. I really hope that it will.
    Omi - your not being negative- not at all. I need this sort of feedback cause I kind of hold on to what was, not what is or has to be. The over riding view I got from the initial consultation was that this was a very settled contented and happy bunny. I would imagine being doted on by 2 bucks is quite the privilege and to then lose that very suddenly would test the resilience of most animals in my opinion. I feel that she has lost her confidence - completely understandable, as I have after losing Lillian 3 weeks ago. Like us, pets grieve and some more than others and from what was described, I think this is how this rabbit is. We have concrete standings for our fencing so it’s pretty secure from digging - or so I hope!
    I’m hoping she will find the garden a sanctuary and where she feels safe.
    It’s the bonding that is my main worry. I think it’ll be emotional overload for her right now so I think the best way forward is to let her adjust to everything here. The smells, sounds, views. She needs to tune in and hopefully once she feels confident and settled, then we can slowly move forward.
    Thank you for your guidance omi. I’m very grateful.
    Craig. X
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