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    Oh, looks like you've been having a good spend up!

    Re. the water spray, it depends on your garden layout really. It probably tells you the 'firing range' of the spray so you could have a measure up & see if there's a way of positioning it to avoid spraying the rabbits too. I'd maybe see how they go first - with a few tunnels & boxes as hidey holes, they might not even be too bothered by the cat.

    Keletkezes, my two cats both jump straight over puppy panels - we had to give up on them very early on lol. Freddie used to climb them as a kitten too but I'm not sure they'd hold his weight now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KarenM View Post
    Keletkezes, my two cats both jump straight over puppy panels - we had to give up on them very early on lol. Freddie used to climb them as a kitten too but I'm not sure they'd hold his weight now.
    Puissance kitties We reckoned Bandit couldn't have been THAT interested in the bunnies because he never tried! I think Freddie certainly would have our panels over before he got over them
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    What do you think I’m best getting for the roof? The covers Omlet sell are pretty pricey and I’d need a few for the size of the run, I’ve seen some with bamboo roofs but they’d surely need replacing in winter.

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    I've been thinking about this, and I think I'd use corrugated plastic roofing (like this: https://www.wickes.co.uk/Wickes-PVCu...400mm/p/240152), maybe part-clear and part-opaque. You might need to rig some timber to the top of the fence to attach it to securely, but that shouldn't be too difficult You could set the pitch to let water flow off as you like by setting the timber as such.
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    Thank you, I’ve just sent it over to my Dad, hahaha I’ll see if he can do it.

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    My neighbour called me over to ask how the rabbits were getting along then decided to tell me that she’d be more worried about the foxes than the cats, she preceded to tell me that foxes can climb fences and even if they can’t get into the enclosure my rabbits could die from a heart attack from being scared, I don’t know if she was just being helpful but she’s got me worrying even more now.
    I’m thinking it may be safer just to bring them inside the house each night and leave them out in the enclosure during the day, it will be such a shame though they won’t have as much room inside as they would in the new enclosure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rackeluk View Post
    My neighbour called me over to ask how the rabbits were getting along then decided to tell me that she’d be more worried about the foxes than the cats, she preceded to tell me that foxes can climb fences and even if they can’t get into the enclosure my rabbits could die from a heart attack from being scared, I don’t know if she was just being helpful but she’s got me worrying even more now.
    I’m thinking it may be safer just to bring them inside the house each night and leave them out in the enclosure during the day, it will be such a shame though they won’t have as much room inside as they would in the new enclosure.
    while unhelpful to your worries, she is right. foxes are as much (I personally regard them as more) of a risk as a cat could be. foxes would be out for food and a rabbit is on their diet in terms of prey they'd catch. they may try, which is why its important to fox proof runs etc, such as making sure they can't be dug under, jumped over, or broken into (using strong welded mesh). personally I argue foxes are more of a risk due to the fact that they're out looking for food and opportunity, most cats are looking to play vs eat, as they're fed in a house. so going to the bother of a rabbit in a pen probably isn't worth it. obviously some may try, due to instinct, but I feel a fox would be more determined due to hunger & instinct.

    rabbits can die of shock/heart attack. however providing they have the safe space to retreat (lots of hides) I believe it minimises the risk - hopefully somebody can correct me if not. the "rabbit had a heart attack and died" is something very commonly spread around, but it also comes from a time where rabbits lived in tiny 3ft hutches. they had nowhere to hide too away from the predator. rabbit care isn't always what it is.

    unfortunately moving rabbits in & wouldn't work either. rabbits can't handle a temperature change bigger than 10C - so once you hit autumn, winter & early spring, taking them in and out just won't be viable any more. not unless you can make the temperature inside the same as outside (no heating, all windows open). coming from the cold outside to hot inside will cause them to instantly shed their winter coats, and even cause stasis due to the stress put on their system of being so hot.

    I also feel moving rabbits about like that might cause them stress. rabbits usually like to have their territory and stick to it. being in one territory overnight, and then the other during the day, may not sit so well. they might want to stay in the outside territory, or the indoor one, and be unhappy at being forced into one (or the other).

    rabbits are very all or nothing characters - you can't have a bit of both. its either in or out, or once place or another place (or the choice to transfer freely between to spaces).

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    Thank you I over worry anyway but I’d rather know of the dangers I don’t go into owning a pet half hearted.

    We have ordered a rabbit run 9ft by 6ft from Omlet with a fox proof skirt on it, it states that it is predator proof, their hutch is going to be put in the run, their hutch is 7ft long and we have a shelter with two tubes in and out to be added in their as well.

    We was hoping to let the bunnies have full access to the run all day and night, currently we close them both in the hutch every night, but now I’m thinking it may be safer to carry on putting them away in their hutch every night even in their enclosure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rackeluk View Post
    Thank you I over worry anyway but I’d rather know of the dangers I don’t go into owning a pet half hearted.

    We have ordered a rabbit run 9ft by 6ft from Omlet with a fox proof skirt on it, it states that it is predator proof, their hutch is going to be put in the run, their hutch is 7ft long and we have a shelter with two tubes in and out to be added in their as well.

    We was hoping to let the bunnies have full access to the run all day and night, currently we close them both in the hutch every night, but now I’m thinking it may be safer to carry on putting them away in their hutch every night even in their enclosure.
    unfortunately a hutch isn't really ever enough. its not recommended to lock rabbits away as the time you're locking them away is when their most active. it can lead to problems such as destruction and aggression due to the frustration. you should treat a hutch like a hide, over a place to lock them into. the RWAF recommends a minimum size of 10ft x 6ft at all times for rabbits..you run almost hits that but a hutch would not :[ even the larger hutches on the market aren't really suitable to shut rabbits in for any period of time. they should be treated as shelters & home bases over something to lock them into. a place to put water bowls & litter trays etc https://rabbitwelfare.co.uk/rabbit-c...commendations/

    the run from omlet will be fine, I assure you - many people keep their rabbits in aviaries & this wouldn't be much different, its the same concept. the skirt will hopefully help deter, and the mesh is strong, so there isn't much chance of a fox getting in (if at all). if necessary you might want to consider putting something into the ground too, to stop anything digging in (or them out!).

    sadly outdoor rabbits come with these extra risks. personally, its why I couldn't ever have an outdoor rabbit again. I worried myself sick along with nightmares. I couldn't ever do it again. like you I over worry and it was something I couldn't curve. not criticising anybody who does -- rabbits can be perfectly happy & safe outdoors. I just couldn't put my mind at ease!!

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    I didn’t sleep much last night worrying

    We have this hutch;


    I have a camera watching the hutch and I’m trying to find a hutch camera so I can keep my eye on them when they are inside.

    When Max was neutered we had to keep him indoors to recover, he’s not keen on being indoors as I don’t have enough room for him to explore, I was also worried about the change in temperature, I do have a conservatory they at times almost the same temperature as outside so that wouldn’t be too much of a problem, I just don’t have 10ft x 6ft of space for them inside.

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