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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack's-Jane View Post
    There is much debate as to how useful probiotics are as the naturally acidic environment is likely to kill off probiotics before they reach the part of the GO tract where they are needed-ie the cecum.

    http://www.medirabbit.com/EN/GI_dise...probiotics.htm

    That said, giving a Probiotic wont do any harm. Most Vets suggest Fibreplex :

    https://www.animeddirect.co.uk/prote...l-syringe.html

    As for signs of 'Snuffles' progressing- symptoms such as unexplained weightloss-ie Rabbit is not eating less but losing weight, Increased respiratory rate/effort, mouth breathing/elevating the head and stretching the neck, choking episodes, spontaneous abscesses (abscesses appearing without any history of injury), ear infections/head tilt.
    Thanks for the help. I will ask the vet tomorrow. As for the signs of progression, I don’t think that they have shown any of these signs other than scratching ears more (male is a lop and so is prone to wax buildup anyways) so I will mention that tomorrow also to make sure they check both rabbits’ ears. From what I can see, their ears look clear even though I obviously can’t see the whole ear canal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mismatchbunnies View Post
    Sorry I forgot to reply to this. Yes it is Small Pet Select 2nd Cutting which we have found to be fairly dusty (especially nearer to the bottom of the box which is what we are using currently), so it is a possibility that this could cause the problems, but wouldn’t it have shown sooner? We have had this hay since January now and have gotten to the bottom of the box once before. Either way we have just ordered a 5kg box of Timothy hay from HayBox in the hope it is less dusty (as the website claims), so we’ll see if that helps and if we can switch.
    Quite a few rabbits are allergic to Timothy hay.

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    Over my decades of owning bunnies I've had my fair share of snotty & sneezy bunnies. My first experience was a one eyed bunny who was permanently snotty when not on baytril (which she always responded well too). Skull xrays showed half her face / skull had been damaged (she was rescued from abusive home but the most loving rabbit ever) so she was unusual as her tubes weren't connected & nothing could drain properly. We'd have lulls when it wasn't so bad but it was a lifelong issue.

    Mousey started sneezing sporadically (like your bunnies she is in the heart of my home so I don't miss much) - perhaps weekly. She produced thick snot (on the carpet - no nostril or paw evidence). I saw the vet twice but her airways were always good & no clinical signs of infection so nothing prescibed. It stopped after a month or so but she has, over the subsequent 4 years done it a further twice (I think)

    Boo sneezes a little but she is a dental bun so to be expected. She never produces snot.

    Rudey is the most interesting case of all my bunnies IMO. I adopted him as he was bereaved (& I fell in love) - his previous mum didn't want him lonely. His partner had died of a RTI. When he arrived he was very snotty & you could hear him sounding congested. You could see it was really hard work for him to sneeze. The vet put him on baytril & bisolvon which kind of did the trick - big improvement but not completely sorted. He did have several episodes where he was really snotty but he was never prescribed antbiotics again (was in kidney failure & had really bad reaction to prev antibiotics). He was at the vets all the time for other stuff so it was reviewed. Anyway, the bit I found interesting was that for Rudeys last few months his snottiness went completely. I really would have expected it to get worse given the physical & therefore mental stress he would have been under.

    Sorry my experiences turned in to an essay. Wishing your bunnies well

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    Quote Originally Posted by joey&boo View Post
    Over my decades of owning bunnies I've had my fair share of snotty & sneezy bunnies. My first experience was a one eyed bunny who was permanently snotty when not on baytril (which she always responded well too). Skull xrays showed half her face / skull had been damaged (she was rescued from abusive home but the most loving rabbit ever) so she was unusual as her tubes weren't connected & nothing could drain properly. We'd have lulls when it wasn't so bad but it was a lifelong issue.

    Mousey started sneezing sporadically (like your bunnies she is in the heart of my home so I don't miss much) - perhaps weekly. She produced thick snot (on the carpet - no nostril or paw evidence). I saw the vet twice but her airways were always good & no clinical signs of infection so nothing prescibed. It stopped after a month or so but she has, over the subsequent 4 years done it a further twice (I think)

    Boo sneezes a little but she is a dental bun so to be expected. She never produces snot.

    Rudey is the most interesting case of all my bunnies IMO. I adopted him as he was bereaved (& I fell in love) - his previous mum didn't want him lonely. His partner had died of a RTI. When he arrived he was very snotty & you could hear him sounding congested. You could see it was really hard work for him to sneeze. The vet put him on baytril & bisolvon which kind of did the trick - big improvement but not completely sorted. He did have several episodes where he was really snotty but he was never prescribed antbiotics again (was in kidney failure & had really bad reaction to prev antibiotics). He was at the vets all the time for other stuff so it was reviewed. Anyway, the bit I found interesting was that for Rudeys last few months his snottiness went completely. I really would have expected it to get worse given the physical & therefore mental stress he would have been under.

    Sorry my experiences turned in to an essay. Wishing your bunnies well
    This is really interesting, thank you for sharing! Yes my rabbits are everything to me so I can always tell when something is up. My rabbit of 13 years never experienced a case of snuffles at all and now my two two year old buns seem to have had it all - stasis, snuffles, potential dental problems in the future. Just luck I guess, but I wouldn’t change them of course.

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    Just a little update (at almost 2am haha). Over the afternoon/evening male bunny seemed to get worse (sneezing a lot more) so we ended up taking both bunnies to the emergency vet. Both were checked and nothing major was picked up (both lungs sounded clear, gut movement, no teeth issues supposedly even though the female had small spurs last time?! Don’t know how that happened unless he missed it). But anyways, the vet thought the male was indeed a case of snuffles, and with what we’d described of the female (despite no/little discharge), he has put them both on baytril to see if it helps and we will possibly go back to get swabs of the discharge to be tested if things don’t improve/it continues. The vet honestly seemed really knowledgable, he was attentive to my concerns about the possibility of either or both bunnies being resistant to baytril, and with the female’s history of GI stasis, he said it would be unlikely to cause problems (hopefully) and I could look into getting a probiotic if it seemed necessary. We will most likely either go back Thursday or Monday to get swabs if the male is still getting discharge, or either buns don’t improve. We’ll just have to take it by ear and see what happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonibun View Post
    Quite a few rabbits are allergic to Timothy hay.
    Yes I have heard of this, but I feel like they would have shown signs of being allergic sooner as they are almost 2 and just over 2 years old. I think it could have been the dust though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mismatchbunnies View Post
    Yes I have heard of this, but I feel like they would have shown signs of being allergic sooner as they are almost 2 and just over 2 years old. I think it could have been the dust though.
    Humans can certainly develop allergies later in life, I don't know about rabbits. Oral Allergy Syndrome is one human late-developer, and it is well-documented that antibiotic allergies occur later in life.

    I am watching with interest: Chibbs has just started sneezing in odd bouts with no discharge
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    Quote Originally Posted by mismatchbunnies View Post
    Just a little update (at almost 2am haha). Over the afternoon/evening male bunny seemed to get worse (sneezing a lot more) so we ended up taking both bunnies to the emergency vet. Both were checked and nothing major was picked up (both lungs sounded clear, gut movement, no teeth issues supposedly even though the female had small spurs last time?! Don’t know how that happened unless he missed it). But anyways, the vet thought the male was indeed a case of snuffles, and with what we’d described of the female (despite no/little discharge), he has put them both on baytril to see if it helps and we will possibly go back to get swabs of the discharge to be tested if things don’t improve/it continues. The vet honestly seemed really knowledgable, he was attentive to my concerns about the possibility of either or both bunnies being resistant to baytril, and with the female’s history of GI stasis, he said it would be unlikely to cause problems (hopefully) and I could look into getting a probiotic if it seemed necessary. We will most likely either go back Thursday or Monday to get swabs if the male is still getting discharge, or either buns don’t improve. We’ll just have to take it by ear and see what happens.
    Just a word of caution re nasal swabs. Unless they are deep nasal swabs (usually requiring the Rabbit to be sedated) they often prove to be unhelpful. The core of infection is often deep within the nares and just a swab of the mucus and/or slightly into the nostril may just come back as 'no bacterial growth'. Also, any results will obviously be effected if the Rabbit(s) are already on abx.

    IME Trimethoprim / Sulfamethoxazole (Sulphatrim) is more effective for treating Snuffles than Baytril.

    https://www.noahcompendium.co.uk/?id...firsthighlight


    Reference links for various Rabbit health problems
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    The Rabbit Welfare Association and Fund (RWAF) ~ The UK's Biggest Organisation for Rabbit Lovers https://rabbitwelfare.co.uk/

    Animal Rescue and Care (ARC) SW London
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