Craig 1965
Warren Veteran
I've read the basic bonding advice re bonding a duo and what I am asking for please from everybun is some of your far greater experience than I with bonding.
Now, I will be brutally honest, I am extremely nervous and anxious and scarred of bonding Lillian and Leo because everything with me is still very raw about the loss of Henry and the effect that has had not just on us, but also on Lillian and the dynamics here.
I am not allowing any physical contact between Lillian and Leo until at least the end of February due to the hormonse situation with Leo. It is not fair on him, nor is it fair on Lillian and I really don't want to emotionally hurt Lillian or allow her to be physically hurt. The same applies to Leo but he has never been bonded.
I have spent the last 4 days with Leo as far as I can, allowing him to become used to our surroundings, and also his new hutch. I have given him garden time as much as I can at about an hour intervals and then rotating with Lillian so as not to create an imbalance. Lillian watches from the sanctuary of the kitchen/diner and I do not want to create a tension or feeling of intruder although Leo is in the garden and so therefore on Lillians patch.
I have as far as possible, mixed scents about by swapping poops and used straw from toilet areas between the living environments.
I have also allowed Leo to be in the kitchen/diner area twice whilst Lillian was up top of garden out of sight of this, so Leo could explore and scent up areas - which he has done with frequent poop dropping and chin rubbing. My logic is to get Lillian used to the scent of Leo.
Leo presents as non agressive towards us - I've seen nothing whatsoever to suggest any agression at me - quite the opposite. He is extremely gentle and controlled and loves a fuss. This is where I become nervous because whilst he has a gentle nature at us, he may also react differently in a bonding situation.
The dilema I have, is that a neutral area is almost an impossibility here. The garden isn't, the kitchen/diner is Lillians home and she is also very much at home in the living room. The garage is also not neutral because again, Lillian (and Henry) used to hang out there,
Spare room is not an option due to space so we've got a hallway and the bathroom. Neither ideal.
The first video below shows how Lillian 'tends' to sit outside near Leo's hutch at the moment. I'm not sure what signals this gives off to be honest. I don't know if she's deliberately antagonising Leo by giving him the stare, and acting like she couldn't care. Or if she is just being blase about it and worknig him out. It's not an easy sign to read.
The second video shows recent interaction and slightly concerns me due to the agression or apparent aggression between Leo and Lillian and this scares me because I don't want this to kick off during the bond. Of course, I know some will say that there will be an element of this - it is how it is, but that doesn't make it easier on me.
When Leo's hormoses settle, will he change in terms of aggression?
Thing is, Leo is on Lillians patch and she is rightly protective of that.
Second video
My readings suggest a small enclosre initially with a person being present with goves, towel etc but I've not yet had an aggressive situation in a bond. I've been unbelievably fortunate. Lillian and Henry were seperated for several weeks but were only feet apart and both were relatively new to the house so there wasn't a territorial issue. One day, Henry went outside, Lillian followed and it just happened. No flare ups, nothing.
But at the moment, I'm sort of tied in this limbo situation of having one in, one out, and giving both bunnies similar time outside and showing both bunnies our affection so as not to make one feel less part of the family than the other.
Please can you give me any guidance/help/things that I could try that would minimise the potential problems. It's still several weeks away, but I am really anxious that if I cann't get a bond with Lillian then I am in worse case scenario and I don't know what to do.
Thank you all in advance for your help
Craig x
Now, I will be brutally honest, I am extremely nervous and anxious and scarred of bonding Lillian and Leo because everything with me is still very raw about the loss of Henry and the effect that has had not just on us, but also on Lillian and the dynamics here.
I am not allowing any physical contact between Lillian and Leo until at least the end of February due to the hormonse situation with Leo. It is not fair on him, nor is it fair on Lillian and I really don't want to emotionally hurt Lillian or allow her to be physically hurt. The same applies to Leo but he has never been bonded.
I have spent the last 4 days with Leo as far as I can, allowing him to become used to our surroundings, and also his new hutch. I have given him garden time as much as I can at about an hour intervals and then rotating with Lillian so as not to create an imbalance. Lillian watches from the sanctuary of the kitchen/diner and I do not want to create a tension or feeling of intruder although Leo is in the garden and so therefore on Lillians patch.
I have as far as possible, mixed scents about by swapping poops and used straw from toilet areas between the living environments.
I have also allowed Leo to be in the kitchen/diner area twice whilst Lillian was up top of garden out of sight of this, so Leo could explore and scent up areas - which he has done with frequent poop dropping and chin rubbing. My logic is to get Lillian used to the scent of Leo.
Leo presents as non agressive towards us - I've seen nothing whatsoever to suggest any agression at me - quite the opposite. He is extremely gentle and controlled and loves a fuss. This is where I become nervous because whilst he has a gentle nature at us, he may also react differently in a bonding situation.
The dilema I have, is that a neutral area is almost an impossibility here. The garden isn't, the kitchen/diner is Lillians home and she is also very much at home in the living room. The garage is also not neutral because again, Lillian (and Henry) used to hang out there,
Spare room is not an option due to space so we've got a hallway and the bathroom. Neither ideal.
The first video below shows how Lillian 'tends' to sit outside near Leo's hutch at the moment. I'm not sure what signals this gives off to be honest. I don't know if she's deliberately antagonising Leo by giving him the stare, and acting like she couldn't care. Or if she is just being blase about it and worknig him out. It's not an easy sign to read.
The second video shows recent interaction and slightly concerns me due to the agression or apparent aggression between Leo and Lillian and this scares me because I don't want this to kick off during the bond. Of course, I know some will say that there will be an element of this - it is how it is, but that doesn't make it easier on me.
When Leo's hormoses settle, will he change in terms of aggression?
Thing is, Leo is on Lillians patch and she is rightly protective of that.
Second video
My readings suggest a small enclosre initially with a person being present with goves, towel etc but I've not yet had an aggressive situation in a bond. I've been unbelievably fortunate. Lillian and Henry were seperated for several weeks but were only feet apart and both were relatively new to the house so there wasn't a territorial issue. One day, Henry went outside, Lillian followed and it just happened. No flare ups, nothing.
But at the moment, I'm sort of tied in this limbo situation of having one in, one out, and giving both bunnies similar time outside and showing both bunnies our affection so as not to make one feel less part of the family than the other.
Please can you give me any guidance/help/things that I could try that would minimise the potential problems. It's still several weeks away, but I am really anxious that if I cann't get a bond with Lillian then I am in worse case scenario and I don't know what to do.
Thank you all in advance for your help
Craig x