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    I had Bobby from the RSPCA 3 weeks ago, 8-9 year old castrated male. Suffers from sever spinal arthritis.

    First week he was ok, drank more the Charlie but he's bigger than Charlie and it wasn't considerably more. 2 weeks ago started drinking 750ml sometimes abit more a day.

    Ran in house bloods, kidneys and liver fine. Calcium higher, vet wasn't worried and advised repeat bloods in a month.

    March weighted 3kg, 11 days ago 2.5kg, yesterday 2.2kg.

    Teeth checked, a few small spurs but nothing the vet us worried about, no history if dental issues despite being seized on welfare grounds.

    Urinalysis normal, SG very low but apparently that can be normal for rabbits.

    Lateral xrays taken conscious, forwarded to an exotic vet as the vet wasn't really sure what he was looking at. Bloods sent to the lab for a diagnostic profile and haemogram, should be back this morning.

    Eating amazing, he LOVES food to the point I'm pretty sure he would eat anything I offered him. Diet of hay from Tinothyhay.co.uk, excell senior nuggets and mostly forage (hawsweed and willow mainly).

    His bum is soaked from all the urinating. He was perfectly litertraned but now he wees on blankets, litter trays lined with newspaper, wood shavings, more newspaper and topped with hay but still not keeping him dry.

    Any ideas?

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    I hope the exotics vet has some ideas for you, this must be very worrying

    As I understand it, wood shavings aren't great for bunnies - they can cause respiratory problems. I wonder whether he'd be a bit drier with something like megazorb?

    Was he weighed at the same time of day each time? Our bunny can vary by 0.5kg depending on time of day (less in the morning).
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    My little Doughnut has just survived myxi and she was soaking wet for 2 weeks then suddenly her tail and hocks were red raw because of it. I called my exotic vets to see what to do and they suggested F10 barrier cream. You can use sudocream but it has zinc in it so they can't lick off too much. I also got her shaved so the fur doesn't pull the skin. She still ended up having little nicks on the back of her legs. I then got warm water and soaked cotton wool in it and clean her, then dried her with a towel and put the hairdryer on a cool heat. Once dry I then applied the barrier cream. It really did help. Just trying to make him more comfortable and avoid the skin getting red to the point it did for Doughnut.


    My specialist did mention spinal arthritis to me as she was constantly wet initially. She's been on tramodol for 4 weeks now, but I wonder if your little one could be on this to take the pain away so may squat properly to urinate.

    Sorry no other advice but my exotic vet specialist also recommended alfalfa hay to put on weight.
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    Is the blood test going to include testing for EC ?

    A raised calcium level can be indicative of a tumour somewhere, but this is certainly not always the case. Have you noticed any behaviour that resembles that of an entire Buck ?

    Is he on medication for his arthritis ?


    Severe spinal arthritis can mean that the Rabbit is unable to adopt the correct position to urinate and so they can be prone to getting very wet/urine scald. Chronic pain can also lead to excessive drinking and a very high water intake will lead to urinalysis showing low SG.


    Links to information about various health problems that can affect Rabbits :
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    NB- If you think your Rabbit is unwell it is essential to seek immediate veterinary attention.

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    Puppy pads are useful for keeping a rabbit drier - try them on their own or under hay - wherever he normally wees. At least it will stop him sitting in urine. You may need to do regular bum baths / wipe down with a damp cloth to prevent urine scald. Some nappy creams are also useful as a barrier treatment.

    As an aside, even small dental spurs can cause quite a lot of problems - and they won't resolve on their own. Hay eating is really good, but any weight loss may be compounded by dental issues and I would be inclined to get them sorted when he is fit for an anaesthetic, but before he loses too much more weight.

    I hope you find a cause for the problem. It sounds like he is in good hands.

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    As I understand it, wood shavings aren't great for bunnies - they can cause respiratory problems. I wonder whether he'd be a bit drier with something like megazorb?
    I make sure the woodshavings are sandwiched between the newspaper so they dont actually come into contact with them. I used to use megazorb for my small furries but I found it seriously dusty to the point it triggered my asthma.

    My specialist did mention spinal arthritis to me as she was constantly wet initially. She's been on tramodol for 4 weeks now, but I wonder if your little one could be on this to take the pain away so may squat properly to urinate.
    He does suffer from sever spinal arthritis, he was previously on metacam however when he became PUPD we started him on cartrophen which cant be given with metacam as we initially suspected renal failure. I think Tramadol can be given with cartrophen though so i will look into it

    Is the blood test going to include testing for EC ?

    A raised calcium level can be indicative of a tumour somewhere, but this is certainly not always the case. Have you noticed any behaviour that resembles that of an entire Buck
    The EC test is ú70 plus VAT and my understanding is the results arent conclusive, they just show if they have been exposed. So we have started him on Panacur just encase it is EC. Ive never actually had an entire buck however based on the fact i have easily bonded my 2 males Id say hes behaving normally for a castrated male. The xrays didnt show any obvious tumours however the next step is a fecal smear and ultrasound, primarily of heart and liver.

    Bloods from the lab have come back as pretty much inconclusive.

    Puppy pads are useful for keeping a rabbit drier - try them on their own or under hay - wherever he normally wees.
    Ive got some puppypabds now, i was rather worried out him eating them but hes a good boy and doesnt seem to be a chewer.

    As an aside, even small dental spurs can cause quite a lot of problems - and they won't resolve on their own.
    This is what im on the fence about at the moment, the plan atm is to cover all other bases and if no improvement then go for the dental. I feel at this point i need to leave the dental as a last resort due to the risks of the GA, especially when we arent sure its actually the cause of the problem.

    Hes eating really well but im not supplimenting with critical care and oats and ive just ordered some burgess Dualcare.

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    The dual care is great. I think doughnut eats more with it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzwizz619 View Post
    I had Bobby from the RSPCA 3 weeks ago, 8-9 year old castrated male. Suffers from sever spinal arthritis.

    First week he was ok, drank more the Charlie but he's bigger than Charlie and it wasn't considerably more. 2 weeks ago started drinking 750ml sometimes abit more a day.

    Ran in house bloods, kidneys and liver fine. Calcium higher, vet wasn't worried and advised repeat bloods in a month.

    March weighted 3kg, 11 days ago 2.5kg, yesterday 2.2kg.

    Teeth checked, a few small spurs but nothing the vet us worried about, no history if dental issues despite being seized on welfare grounds.

    Urinalysis normal, SG very low but apparently that can be normal for rabbits.

    Lateral xrays taken conscious, forwarded to an exotic vet as the vet wasn't really sure what he was looking at. Bloods sent to the lab for a diagnostic profile and haemogram, should be back this morning.

    Eating amazing, he LOVES food to the point I'm pretty sure he would eat anything I offered him. Diet of hay from Tinothyhay.co.uk, excell senior nuggets and mostly forage (hawsweed and willow mainly).

    His bum is soaked from all the urinating. He was perfectly litertraned but now he wees on blankets, litter trays lined with newspaper, wood shavings, more newspaper and topped with hay but still not keeping him dry.

    Any ideas?
    dear buzzwizz619,--an elderly buns requirements are greater,especially with a disability-ie,arthritis..--diet and meds as you already list,-have a large inventory of ie old towels,linen,cotton,etc.--place him in his own area,for ease of cleaning,and set him up with all the normal stuff,ie timothy hay/bin[accessible-no major effort for him to reach]-bowl of pellets,some treats,and water bowl..-for pain use metacam[low dosage],--simethicone for tummy issues..--and weigh him[KG] before and after meals..-if he gets along with Charlie that is a plus[buddies].--otherwise he will need a mirror so he doesnot feel alone. http://www.medirabbit.com -sincerely james waller from the other kent -usa--sorry I should have read more,-I use only grasses for a poop box,they can eat and do their thing..you are correct there are safe meds and unsafe meds for rabbits,-the link enclosed has a lots of info,there are also safe and unsafe weeds and woods.--
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    Sending you both some positive vibes. He is lucky to finally have such a caring person to give him care.

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    Topping up vibes for Bobby, hope he's doing ok. He's a lucky bun to have you taking care of him.
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