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New foster bun not urinating u/d post 35 and question

Jack's-Jane said:
Poor lad, I do hope that he will start to improve soon. I am assuming that they have ruled out any form of malignant disease ? Sending lots of vibes for him xx
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Thanks for replying Jane. They don’t seem to have ruled anything in or out. I’m a bit annoyed that they were about to discharge him, but he is only eating tiny amounts and hardly pooping. No idea if he is urinating himself yet. It’s the woman from the rescue who is the contact for the vet.

I think they have done a scan and checked for infection, but said the results won’t be available till tomorrow. I don't think they’ve done blood tests.
 
Just had another update. Evan has an enlarged prostate, seemingly rarely seen in rabbits. The vet thinks this is what is causing the problems with urinating. They are going to start hormone therapy and if that seems to work, once he is stable they are hoping castration should fix the problem. I don’t know if it is the prostate that is causing him pain, or he bladder since he can’t urinate properly.

Anyone any experience? Any vibes would also be appreciated.
 
weedug said:
Just had another update. Evan has an enlarged prostate, seemingly rarely seen in rabbits. The vet thinks this is what is causing the problems with urinating. They are going to start hormone therapy and if that seems to work, once he is stable they are hoping castration should fix the problem. I don’t know if it is the prostate that is causing him pain, or he bladder since he can’t urinate properly.

Anyone any experience? Any vibes would also be appreciated.
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I have only had experience of the condition in dogs, but the symptomes were similar. Was/is Evan passing any blood ? That and a reluctance to urinate/pain when urinating were the dog's symptoms.

https://www.msdvetmanual.com/reproductive-system/prostatic-diseases/prostatitis-in-small-animals
 
weedug said:
Just had another update. Evan has an enlarged prostate, seemingly rarely seen in rabbits. The vet thinks this is what is causing the problems with urinating. They are going to start hormone therapy and if that seems to work, once he is stable they are hoping castration should fix the problem. I don’t know if it is the prostate that is causing him pain, or he bladder since he can’t urinate properly.

Anyone any experience? Any vibes would also be appreciated.
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Only in humans! I had to take my Dad to A&E because he hadn't peed in 24 hours and his bladder was huge. They sorted his out with a catheter and a TURP surgery. .. or at least, they didn't sort it out as he had to have a catheter for the rest of his life. But from what I can remember the Prostate took up so much room it was pushing on the urethra so the urine couldn't pass down it, so the TURP was removing a section of prostate to hopefully make enough clearance for the ureter to work properly.

Poor bunny. I'm glad they've worked out what's wrong and hope that it can be alleviated for him. I wonder if it's a case of neutering earlier in life would have prevented this.
 
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Thank you both for replying. I don’t think Evan was passing blood Jane. From Tuesday evening till Friday morning when he was with me or my local vet, he only passed one tiny pee but there didn’t seem to be blood in that.

I have wondered the same Bunny Buddy, perhaps neutering would have stopped this happening. It sounds similar to your dad’s problem, in that the urine just can’t get out. I really hope the hormones help and that his bladder hasn’t been damaged somehow.

No idea how much longer he will need to stay at D1ck Vet, I suppose it’ll depend on how well he responds to treatment. No idea if he actually has sludge or not as well. If he does I suppose it might be caused by the urine being in the bladder for so long?
 
weedug said:
Thank you both for replying. I don’t think Evan was passing blood Jane. From Tuesday evening till Friday morning when he was with me or my local vet, he only passed one tiny pee but there didn’t seem to be blood in that.

I have wondered the same Bunny Buddy, perhaps neutering would have stopped this happening. It sounds similar to your dad’s problem, in that the urine just can’t get out. I really hope the hormones help and that his bladder hasn’t been damaged somehow.

No idea how much longer he will need to stay at D1ck Vet, I suppose it’ll depend on how well he responds to treatment. No idea if he actually has sludge or not as well. If he does I suppose it might be caused by the urine being in the bladder for so long?
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From my experience with Artie, who had a kidney stone stuck in his ureter so urine couldn't pass from the kidney to bladder I was told that having stale urine in his kidney for a few days could have caused extra damage, I suppose that could be similar effect for the bladder but my understanding is the bladder is 'just' a chamber so hopefully not the same sort of damage that can happen to the delicate structures of the kidney. .. However, maybe there could be a knock-on effect for the kidneys if the urine has just been contained there instead of filtering and passing through.
 
Another update. The hormone drug they were going to use is in shortage till September. The option was an implant that would take 2 weeks to work or neutering. The rescue has decided to go for neutering now, and while he is asleep the vet will get a sample from the prostate. They think he should be ok with the anaesthetic because his liver is ok, but will still be a high risk. We are just waiting to find out when they can do the op.
 
weedug said:
Another update. The hormone drug they were going to use is in shortage till September. The option was an implant that would take 2 weeks to work or neutering. The rescue has decided to go for neutering now, and while he is asleep the vet will get a sample from the prostate. They think he should be ok with the anaesthetic because his liver is ok, but will still be a high risk. We are just waiting to find out when they can do the op.
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Poor lad :cry: I really hope there will be a good outcome for him. Sending lots and lots of vibes xx
 
Evan has managed to do 3 pees himself today, probably due to a muscle relaxant that he was given. He is eating little bits but his poops are still tiny.

If he is still stable tomorrow, he will be neutered then. Any spare vibes would be appreciated.
 
Pleased to hear that Evan has managed to pee on his own. Sending lots of vibes that he will be well enough to be neutered tomorrow, and that all goes well x
 
weedug said:
Evan has managed to do 3 pees himself today, probably due to a muscle relaxant that he was given. He is eating little bits but his poops are still tiny.

If he is still stable tomorrow, he will be neutered then. Any spare vibes would be appreciated.
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I hope he will be well enough for surgery today and that all will go well for him xx
 
Millions of vibes for Evan. XXX

Only experience with enlarged prostate is with OH, it actually makes him need to urinate more frequently. I can't remember how it was discovered now.
 
Evan was neutered yesterday, and it all went well. He was due to come back today, but is staying in till tomorrow because he’s still not right.

I’ve found out that the ultrasound showed a cystic mass, likely prostate, at the bladder neck. He does have bladder sludge, and “urine sedimentation revealed a large amount of carbonate crystals and a few calcium oxalate dehydrate crystals, with the presence of a few white blood cells and possibly cocci bacteria” whatever all that means. They think the bladder sludge has been due to a high calcium diet, exacerbated by heat, dehydration and obesity.

He is still quite picky at eating, which surprises me when he is so overweight, although maybe he doesn’t like his new diet, and is still passing tiny poops.

Does anyone know if the cocci bacteria are a risk to my bunnies? And how can they tell there’s a possibility of cocci bacteria from a urine sample?
 
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weedug said:
Evan was neutered yesterday, and it all went well. He was due to come back today, but is staying in till tomorrow because he’s still not right.

I’ve found out that the ultrasound showed a cystic mass, likely prostate, at the bladder neck. He does have bladder sludge, and “urine sedimentation revealed a large amount of carbonate crystals and a few calcium oxalate dehydrate crystals, with the presence of a few white blood cells and possibly cocci bacteria” whatever all that means. They think the bladder sludge has been due to a high calcium diet, exacerbated by heat, dehydration and obesity.

He is still quite picky at eating, which surprises me when he is so overweight, although maybe he doesn’t like his new diet, and is still passing tiny poops.

Does anyone know if the cocci bacteria are a risk to my bunnies? And how can they tell there’s a possibility of cocci bacteria from a urine sample?
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Are you sure it was not Escherichia coli E Coli Bacteria as Coccidia is not a bacteria but a protozoa.

http://wildpro.twycrosszoo.org/S/00dis/Parasitic/Coccidiosis_Hedgehog.htm

https://www.msdvetmanual.com/digestive-system/coccidiosis/overview-of-coccidiosis

http://wildpro.twycrosszoo.org/S/00dis/Miscellaneous/Cystitis_Ele.htm

Some info on urinalysis here:

http://www.greendale.co.uk/rabbit_urinalysis.html
 
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cociddiosis/bladder sludge

weedug said:
Evan was neutered yesterday, and it all went well. He was due to come back today, but is staying in till tomorrow because he’s still not right.

I’ve found out that the ultrasound showed a cystic mass, likely prostate, at the bladder neck. He does have bladder sludge, and “urine sedimentation revealed a large amount of carbonate crystals and a few calcium oxalate dehydrate crystals, with the presence of a few white blood cells and possibly cocci bacteria” whatever all that means. They think the bladder sludge has been due to a high calcium diet, exacerbated by heat, dehydration and obesity.

He is still quite picky at eating, which surprises me when he is so overweight, although maybe he doesn’t like his new diet, and is still passing tiny poops.

Does anyone know if the cocci bacteria are a risk to my bunnies? And how can they tell there’s a possibility of cocci bacteria from a urine sample?
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dearweedug,-the surgery is very bad enough but to have complications is not good,but it is fixable,--antibiotic,s-baytril/Bactrim-[intervenious]-to treat the infection,but the main problem will be to kick start the gi-tract.--the surgery causes [stasis]-and the antibiotic kills the flora of the gi tract,-hopefully the immunes system is up to it and there will be a happy ending..all this means intensive care.[at least a week]-.-bigger poops are better,but some are better than none at all..-[for startup]-- http://www.bio.miami.edu/hare/poop.html and http://www.medirabbit.com needed are infant electrolytes,infant simethicone,-if he will not eat you must weigh[daily]-syringe feed critical care,and [reglyn]-gut mobility med,--water,some grasses when able to chew..listen for grinding of teeth[pain]-or-large gurgling in the belly.[pain]-[metacam/Mobic-for pain]-.I sure hope your dvm is rabbit savy[exotics]-so many are not..--you got your work cutout for you-.but we love,em-.sincerely james waller from the other kent-usa:love::wave:
 
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Thanks a lot for the replies.

The discharge papers definitely say possible cocci bacteria under urinalysis. I’ll have a look at the links now Jane.

Evan is still at the D1ck vet (specialist vet) but might be out today.
 
Evan is due to get out this afternoon. Hopefully he’ll do ok here. His poops are still tiny, but there are more of them and he is urinating ok now.

The vet thought the cocci was low risk for my bunnies, and that the usual hand washing and changing shoes was sufficient. The urine sample they collected wasn’t sterile, so they don’t know if the cocci came from him or if it was effected by bacteria from the surface of his cage.
 
weedug said:
Evan is due to get out this afternoon. Hopefully he’ll do ok here. His poops are still tiny, but there are more of them and he is urinating ok now.

The vet thought the cocci was low risk for my bunnies, and that the usual hand washing and changing shoes was sufficient. The urine sample they collected wasn’t sterile, so they don’t know if the cocci came from him or if it was effected by bacteria from the surface of his cage.
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dear weedug,-this is great,home coming for evan,-follow discharge instructions,and when drop a line when you can,wow-great job-sincerely james waller from the other kent-usa
 
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