MiniC
Wise Old Thumper
How about some mint or basil if she'll take it? It's usually the first thing my rabbits will nibble at.
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does anyone knows how long the drowiness effect of Gabapentin last?
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How about some mint or basil if she'll take it? It's usually the first thing my rabbits will nibble at.
Happy Hopping
Wise Old Thumper
no, the baby food kind of work. But I don't know how to tell the difference between the withdrawal from gabapentin vs. a rabbit is dying. How can you tell the difference?
Right now, she seems to be grasping for air. This is a bad sign, she wasn't doing that yesterday.
Right now, she seems to be grasping for air. This is a bad sign, she wasn't doing that yesterday.
Jack's-Jane
Wise Old Thumper
Do you mean she is 'mouth breathing'. This is a very poor prognostic sign. It means she is not getting enough oxygen into her lungs. There can be a multitude of reasons for this- heart failure/pneumonia/ a mass in the chest cavity to name just 3. It really does sound as though you need to contact a Vet ASAP. Does your Vet do House Visits ? This is what I would want to try to organise within the next hour or so as from your posts it sounds as though your Bunny is really struggling and I know you do not want her to suffer. Even if the Vet can offer nothing but humane euthanasia, it would be kinder than for your Bunny to be struggling so badly and not able to breathe.
I am so sorry that you are having to face this awful situation, having 'known' you via RU for many years I am certain that you are trying to do your best for your Bunny xx
Happy Hopping
Wise Old Thumper
When I post this, she was mouth breathing for a few minutes, then she remains okay, and I put her back to my bed. Sometimes later, she passed away. I have rabbits for 21 years, when it comes to the above situation, it's hard to tell which is which:
1) if she's suffering from gabapentin withdraw, there is very little I need to do. I just need to make sure she has some food and sub-q and get the drug off her system
2) if she' dying, in which, we know now she was, at that stage, I hardly think there is anything any vet can do. Knowing what we know now, even her neck is non responsive when I try to syringe feed her. I did give her 1 more sub-Q at 7 am yesterday morning. She passed away a few hr. later.
Among all my rabbits, she's my longest companion in this home, 12 yr. and 7 mth., and I just couldn't figure out what is her cause of death.
On last Fri. at 3 pm, we visit the vet, she's in good spirit and the vet took her blood for her 2nd blood test. From Fri. to Sun. night when this happens, there are only 3 drugs in her system
Gabapentin
Enrofluxin
Benepac
The enrofluxin did cause some soft poos, but she had worse soft poos in the past, that in itself can't cause death. Benepac is a probitics
as to food, it's just water and hand feed hay.
So it has to be gabapentin that causes this. Even from that PDF file, it didn't say gabapentin can cause death. So I am open to suggestion just for my piece of mind. One loose guess would be the gabapentin could relax the heart too much, and at her age, it slow down the heart too much. In summary, since the 2nd or 3rd syringe feed of the gabapentin, she's in that dooze off stage, totally not moving. And I follow the vet's instruction on the dosage
and the thing is, it works very well on the first administration of gabapentin on Fri. night, as she has so much more bunny poos on Sat. morning, I was really happy
1) if she's suffering from gabapentin withdraw, there is very little I need to do. I just need to make sure she has some food and sub-q and get the drug off her system
2) if she' dying, in which, we know now she was, at that stage, I hardly think there is anything any vet can do. Knowing what we know now, even her neck is non responsive when I try to syringe feed her. I did give her 1 more sub-Q at 7 am yesterday morning. She passed away a few hr. later.
Among all my rabbits, she's my longest companion in this home, 12 yr. and 7 mth., and I just couldn't figure out what is her cause of death.
On last Fri. at 3 pm, we visit the vet, she's in good spirit and the vet took her blood for her 2nd blood test. From Fri. to Sun. night when this happens, there are only 3 drugs in her system
Gabapentin
Enrofluxin
Benepac
The enrofluxin did cause some soft poos, but she had worse soft poos in the past, that in itself can't cause death. Benepac is a probitics
as to food, it's just water and hand feed hay.
So it has to be gabapentin that causes this. Even from that PDF file, it didn't say gabapentin can cause death. So I am open to suggestion just for my piece of mind. One loose guess would be the gabapentin could relax the heart too much, and at her age, it slow down the heart too much. In summary, since the 2nd or 3rd syringe feed of the gabapentin, she's in that dooze off stage, totally not moving. And I follow the vet's instruction on the dosage
and the thing is, it works very well on the first administration of gabapentin on Fri. night, as she has so much more bunny poos on Sat. morning, I was really happy
Jack's-Jane
Wise Old Thumper
I am very sorry Jason. I do not think it was the Gabapentin that caused your Bunny's death. She was an elderly Bunny with some health problems. Eventually a time has to come when the major organs (Heart/Lungs/kidneys/Liver) are not strong enough to sustain life
So please dont blame yourself for her passing, IMO it was 'her time'. It comes to all of us in the end, no matter how much treatment is given. No living being can go on forever. Your Bunny passed away peacefully at home in a familiar environment. It is the type of passing I would wish for myself and for anyone (human or animal) whom I love.RIP Minnie xx
kattymieoww
Warren Veteran
I'm sorry you lost Minnie,she was a great age.Binky free Minnie.
Craig 1965
Warren Veteran
I am so sorry to read this update and I am sorry that you lost Minnie. You gave her a wonderful long and loving life - which is a credit to you and she will always be a part of your life. Binkey free beautiful Minnie xx
bunniemum
Mama Doe
So sorry for your loss. Jane has summed it up beautifully. Sadly it comes to all of us at some point with our pets (I am nearly at that stage right now with one of mine) We do whatever we can to try and make them happy and comfortable, but at some point it will become their time to leave us. The way I have it now in my head is; my job is done and I have given them a good life, caring for them through it, and protecting them from any harm, and I am thankful that I've had mine share his little life with me for so long. Your job is now done, and you have given Minnie the best life. I hope you can find peace with that thought.
Take care of yourself HH. xx
Take care of yourself HH. xx
bunny momma
Wise Old Thumper
I am so sorry for your loss. May your memories of her long life give you some comfort during this difficult time. Perhaps you can share some of the stories of her wonderful life with you.
Happy Hopping
Wise Old Thumper
thank you eveyrone for your kind words. On Tuesday during the afternoon and evening, I let her companion Fudgie smells her body, so that he knows his girlfriend has passed away. And I came back from the paw print and the cremation.
The place that does the paw print apparently now accepts paw print thru out North America, Tina from Peach Tree Studio, so the job will now take 3 to 4 months before Minnie's paw prints comes back.
I also wrote a tribute to Minnie at my main facebook page, normally I should post a new thread, but since everyone is here, I might as well post it here:
My bun Minnie passed away yesterday at the age of 12 year and 7 month old, she is my longest living companion in this home. She and her companion Monty were the first 2 adopted rabbits in my home. The day I was at SPCA back in Sept. 2007, the volunteer lady was crying and lobby me to adopt Minnie because SPCA is on a first come, first out basis, I think she knows they are going to euthanize Minnie soon if noone adopts her.
So I took her advice because she said Minnie is an affectionate bunny, and Monty turns out is her second companion. As before I arrive at SPCA, her companion Chocolate was euthanized due to lack of space. Monty passed away only 4 months after he arrived at my home, as he chewed some furniture and caused a blockage in his stomach, since then I have throw away that piece of furniture. Then comes Bernie, another good companion for Minnie for a few years until Bernie passed away during a dental operation. Then comes Bobby, in which Bobby and Minnie lives together for 7 years.
I notice days after Bernie passed away, Minnie was agitated. But when Bobby passed away, she's really sad and keep sleeping on the spots where Bobby used to stay. Then comes Fudgie, in which they also make great companion for over 1 year. In total, she has 5 companions in her life, 4 of them are also my adopted rabbits.
In her staying of my home for these 12 years, a few upgrades were done for these bunnies. A bunny castle set, 100% wool carpet and some temporary wainscot along most parts of the walls of this house to keep them from chewing on dry walls.
Looking back, I truly believe the blackberry diet, along with organic red palm oil supplement, gives her such a long life, as 12 year & 7 month is equivalent to 88 to 93 year old to a human.
The place that does the paw print apparently now accepts paw print thru out North America, Tina from Peach Tree Studio, so the job will now take 3 to 4 months before Minnie's paw prints comes back.
I also wrote a tribute to Minnie at my main facebook page, normally I should post a new thread, but since everyone is here, I might as well post it here:
My bun Minnie passed away yesterday at the age of 12 year and 7 month old, she is my longest living companion in this home. She and her companion Monty were the first 2 adopted rabbits in my home. The day I was at SPCA back in Sept. 2007, the volunteer lady was crying and lobby me to adopt Minnie because SPCA is on a first come, first out basis, I think she knows they are going to euthanize Minnie soon if noone adopts her.
So I took her advice because she said Minnie is an affectionate bunny, and Monty turns out is her second companion. As before I arrive at SPCA, her companion Chocolate was euthanized due to lack of space. Monty passed away only 4 months after he arrived at my home, as he chewed some furniture and caused a blockage in his stomach, since then I have throw away that piece of furniture. Then comes Bernie, another good companion for Minnie for a few years until Bernie passed away during a dental operation. Then comes Bobby, in which Bobby and Minnie lives together for 7 years.
I notice days after Bernie passed away, Minnie was agitated. But when Bobby passed away, she's really sad and keep sleeping on the spots where Bobby used to stay. Then comes Fudgie, in which they also make great companion for over 1 year. In total, she has 5 companions in her life, 4 of them are also my adopted rabbits.
In her staying of my home for these 12 years, a few upgrades were done for these bunnies. A bunny castle set, 100% wool carpet and some temporary wainscot along most parts of the walls of this house to keep them from chewing on dry walls.
Looking back, I truly believe the blackberry diet, along with organic red palm oil supplement, gives her such a long life, as 12 year & 7 month is equivalent to 88 to 93 year old to a human.
