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    My poor boy

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    New symptom :/
    His eyes are now rolling. It's hard to say what direction.. To be honest I'd be inclined to say diagonally, bottom left (ear side) to top right (nose side).. If that makes sense?
    Am I right in thinking up-down is usually brain and left-right is usually indicative of infection? Not sure what diagonal says?
    I should note this has started after extreme amounts of stress. Up until today he's been taking meds all on his own, didn't even need to pick him up. However I've just had a 10 minute+ long fight with him to get him to take the lapizole. He normally loves it but he's been fighting it like anything today

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~ILoveMyBunny~ View Post
    New symptom :/
    His eyes are now rolling. It's hard to say what direction.. To be honest I'd be inclined to say diagonally, bottom left (ear side) to top right (nose side).. If that makes sense?
    Am I right in thinking up-down is usually brain and left-right is usually indicative of infection? Not sure what diagonal says?
    I should note this has started after extreme amounts of stress. Up until today he's been taking meds all on his own, didn't even need to pick him up. However I've just had a 10 minute+ long fight with him to get him to take the lapizole. He normally loves it but he's been fighting it like anything today
    Sorry to hear he's having more problems, sometimes eye rolling can go hand in hand with tilty buns. My tilty bun didn't really suffer with it but I got him some meclizine anyway which you can crush up as it's in tablet form. Not available in the UK but you can buy it online, it is meant to help with dizziness and eye rolling (I think it's called nystagmus, might have the spelling wrong).

    Teddy had a lot of ups and downs with his head tilt so try not to panic that he appears to be getting worse, it can happen. You are treating with all the right things and hopefully he will come through it with time. I ended up having to resort to steroids as and when Teddy had a flare up of symptoms but that's because nothing else was working and it really was his last chance, if the steroid hadn't worked we'd have been out of treatment options. He did live a good life for 18 months but eventually the steroid took its toll so it's something to consider perhaps only if nothing else works. Surgery could also be also an option once his symptoms are under control and if it's needed, I don't have the links with the info any more unfortunately, hopefully someone can help you out and send you them just so you're fully informed. I hope all goes well with the specialist vet, one really common thing with tilty buns is that it can take a long time for them to improve, so as long as he is still eating and has a lust for life I would carry on with treatment and try to be patient (easier said than done I know in this situation).

    Also with the medication, have you tried mixing with baby food? All my buns have hated medication but will happily take it when it's mixed in with baby food, they don't even notice it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~ILoveMyBunny~ View Post
    New symptom :/
    His eyes are now rolling. It's hard to say what direction.. To be honest I'd be inclined to say diagonally, bottom left (ear side) to top right (nose side).. If that makes sense?
    Am I right in thinking up-down is usually brain and left-right is usually indicative of infection? Not sure what diagonal says?
    I should note this has started after extreme amounts of stress. Up until today he's been taking meds all on his own, didn't even need to pick him up. However I've just had a 10 minute+ long fight with him to get him to take the lapizole. He normally loves it but he's been fighting it like anything today
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    Thank you all, and thank you for all the links Jane. They've been really helpful.
    I'll update after seeing the specialist tomorrow. On the positive side I've not seen him fall over backwards tonight like he was earlier and yesterday while periscoping. He also went through his veg tonight as though it would disappear in front of him if he didn't have it fast enough. I'm not sure I've ever seen a bunny eat so fast.
    Regarding meds, I'll pick up some fruit puree tomorrow but I doubt it will help. He loves the taste of the lapizole (weird lil thing!) but he's obviously had enough of it now. Fruit puree never fools any of mine

    Thank you all again xx

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    I really hope he improves soon, sending lots more vibes. Frosty likes the Aldi mamia apples carrots and parsnip pouch food, he laps up metacam in that

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~ILoveMyBunny~ View Post
    Thank you all, and thank you for all the links Jane. They've been really helpful.
    I'll update after seeing the specialist tomorrow. On the positive side I've not seen him fall over backwards tonight like he was earlier and yesterday while periscoping. He also went through his veg tonight as though it would disappear in front of him if he didn't have it fast enough. I'm not sure I've ever seen a bunny eat so fast.
    Regarding meds, I'll pick up some fruit puree tomorrow but I doubt it will help. He loves the taste of the lapizole (weird lil thing!) but he's obviously had enough of it now. Fruit puree never fools any of mine

    Thank you all again xx
    Sorry my reply last night was just the link, had a bit of a Bunny drama going on myself. I do hope that all goes well with the Specialist appointment today. Sending lots of vibes xx


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    Hope all goes well today. Sounds like you are in good hands with your specialist.

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    Thank you all. Sorry for not updating yesterday, had a lot going on yesterday.
    Harley saw the exotics vet yesterday morning. He was really excellent. He made some adjustments, stopped baytril in favour of sulfatrim and gave him some more metacam as he's been off of it for a couple of days. Other than that he's happy at the moment I think with the course of the treatment. He seemed more optimistic about a recovery which is reassuring. While there's obviously never any guarantees he's hoping that he could well make a 100% recovery - obviously with the cautioun that he could be left with some damage e.g head tilt but he's hopeful that as he's so young and seems to be fighting well in himself that he could recover 100%.
    No use of the e word today which was reassuring. Obviously I know nothing's ever certain but I feel more hopeful despite his head tilt becoming more severe.
    The vet warned it will take some time which we already knew but as long as he's fighting we'll try to stay positive.
    On the plus side it seems like he's learning to compensate for his lack of balance, last night he was rolling less or correcting himself quickly when he did.
    It may be a long road but he seems to be a little fighter so we're doing our best to stay positive. I admit it's painful to look at him like that.


    As a side note I was wondering.. Are rex rabbits more prone to getting or developing symptoms EC? I've never heard anything but I can't help but wonder as my first rabbit was (we now think) half rex and we lost her to (strongly suspected EC). Maple was a full rex and we lost her to (again, strongly suspected) EC. Now poor Harley as our third rex has it. Yet all the other breeds we've had have never developed symptoms (I don't know whether or not they've ever been exposed)
    I tried googling out of curiosity but couldn't find much. I did however find an article talking about the zoonotic potential in humans which was about a study in China which sampled three breeds. The rex seems to come out a lot higher for exposure.

    Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4522307/
    It also mentions:
    Interestingly, the breed seemed to influence the distribution of E. cuniculi seropositivity. In particular, the Rex Rabbit were showed to be associated to a higher frequency of infection respect to Japanese White Rabbit and New Zealand Rabbit (P<0.01). It is noteworthy to mention that also Lonardi et al reported a higher seroprevalence in rabbits of the X breed than Y breed and Z breed (26). These results indicate that there may be a potential association between the genetic line and the seropositivity against E. cuniculi.

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