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    How long was the course of Baytril ? Was it prescribed based on the lab results of a previous urine sample ?

    With bladder infections the course of abx often needs to be very long, sometimes up to 4 weeks. This is because the infection can be located deep within the bladder wall. So if the abx are stopped too soon some latent bacteria may remain and infection will kick off again.

    When she wees does she strain and/or wee on herself (on her feet/inner hind legs)

    One more Q (Sorry!) Has she had a recent blood test to check her renal function ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack's-Jane View Post
    How long was the course of Baytril ? Was it prescribed based on the lab results of a previous urine sample ?

    With bladder infections the course of abx often needs to be very long, sometimes up to 4 weeks. This is because the infection can be located deep within the bladder wall. So if the abx are stopped too soon some latent bacteria may remain and infection will kick off again.

    When she wees does she strain and/or wee on herself (on her feet/inner hind legs)

    One more Q (Sorry!) Has she had a recent blood test to check her renal function ?
    I wanna say it was a week... On the baytril, the pee sample I got last night was the first one we've ever been able to get.. So it was just on the off chance I think.

    No straining and no pee on her

    She did... I forgot to ask about the results actually...! I need to do that. I assume my vet has looked at them or the results aren't back yet? Idek.

    Good to know about length of time needed for antibiotics, I'm hoping this sample will give some ideas what's up.

    And I'm fine answering a million questions if anyone has any thoughts or suggestions this is all a bit overwhelming and I'm just so worried we won't be able to fix this.. And that'll be it :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graciee View Post
    See I always thought their urine could be that colour? Depending on what they've been eating? I'm no expert though!

    So she's had 4 xrays in total to date, is going to have another next week, and another ultrasound to try get a sample(if the sample I got isn't enough liquid, still waiting to hear about that) the xray before the flush showed sludge, the xray after the flush showed none. And the pan that collected it all showed lots no stones have been found.. But the sludge had crystals and sediment in it.

    She isn't actually showing any signs of discomfort she just hates being handled, she's her normal self except she's not eating enough hay, she has output though and they are getting more golden again, but she's been eating a lot of veg, herbs, forage (fresh and dried) because I didn't wanna force feed unless absolutely necessary and I've stopped the Emeprid and she's ticking over, I will say though they aren't as huge and golden as normal.

    She had a course of antibiotics, baytril which we finished sometime last week.

    I hope there's no blood in that sample! I guess we'll see, she's only on tramadol now. I need to get the potassium citrate and I'm taking a day off next week to do the diuretic I think.

    I appreciate your advice because I'm really lost with this!

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    Yes, urine can differ in colour but when you look at that tube, there is clearly sediment in there as you can see it caught on the sides of the tube, and I wouldn't be surprised if their are blood particles present - (you can see some of the drops are light and dark, and our vets have always said blood is very common when they have anything wrong with bunny bladders - our vet never told us and just said it's expected) we only realised how much when we started testing ourselves and then discussed it with the vet! Hey I may be completely wrong but I'm sure the vet will clarify this for you. It was only a suggestion as I know how bailey's was...

    Anyway it's amazing news there's no stones in there, but I've also just seen your comment to Jane about the anti-biotics. Our culture came back negative but he was given septin anyway (I think) for at least 2 weeks and we only really saw an improvement after day 10 as even we we're shocked it hadn't kicked in sooner, so it may well be worth asking to have some more?

    Potassium citrate will really help her, but if she's got a really sore bladder, it may be best to try and get her bladder better first as the potassium will help make the urine more acidic, and this can also cause more pain. Bailey had a re-occurring infection about a month ago and we had to stop the potassium for 2 weeks whilst he recovered!

    wishing you good luck and hope they can find out the problem
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graciee View Post
    I wanna say it was a week... On the baytril, the pee sample I got last night was the first one we've ever been able to get.. So it was just on the off chance I think.

    No straining and no pee on her

    She did... I forgot to ask about the results actually...! I need to do that. I assume my vet has looked at them or the results aren't back yet? Idek.

    Good to know about length of time needed for antibiotics, I'm hoping this sample will give some ideas what's up.

    And I'm fine answering a million questions if anyone has any thoughts or suggestions this is all a bit overwhelming and I'm just so worried we won't be able to fix this.. And that'll be it :/

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    IME a week of abx to treat a bladder infection is never long enough. IME it's been 14 days minimum. Baytril is usually an effective abx for UTIs BUT it needs to be given at the correct dose (usually higher range) and for a long course.

    If she had sludge then that will have caused a lot of inflammation in her bladder and an ideal environment for a deep seated infection. So I really would not be thinking the worst case scenarios, it could just be that she needs a longer course of abx, maybe a different one and perhaps a few days of SQ fluids too to get all the nasties flushing through. The fact that she is OK within herself is a positive. There are other meds that the Vet may consider trying if the condition is identified as cystitis.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack's-Jane View Post
    IME a week of abx to treat a bladder infection is never long enough. IME it's been 14 days minimum. Baytril is usually an effective abx for UTIs BUT it needs to be given at the correct dose (usually higher range) and for a long course.

    If she had sludge then that will have caused a lot of inflammation in her bladder and an ideal environment for a deep seated infection. So I really would not be thinking the worst case scenarios, it could just be that she needs a longer course of abx, maybe a different one and perhaps a few days of SQ fluids too to get all the nasties flushing through. The fact that she is OK within herself is a positive. There are other meds that the Vet may consider trying if the condition is identified as cystitis.
    Thanks Jane that's made me feel a little better

    So the sample I got wasn't enough, so they're gunna have her next week and try get some more to test was really trying to avoid that, because I just don't think it's good for her tbh. SQ fluids... Is that like the catheter in the ear? Or something else?

    Asked about bloods, receptionist had no idea.. So yea.. I guess I'll be talking to my vet next Tuesday about it all I'm hoping we can get her on the potassium citrate over the weekend I asked them to give me the dose for that. Idk whether to insist on a catheter back in her ear.. She was peeing in streams with 10ml of fluids every 4 hours.. But she hates that thing on her ear wish there was another way I could get fluids into her

    Maybe I should ask for more baytril too, probably wouldn't hurt to have it for longer? Would I have to effectively start again though? So 14 days from now? Obviously I'd get my vet to sign off on it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graciee View Post
    Thanks Jane that's made me feel a little better

    So the sample I got wasn't enough, so they're gunna have her next week and try get some more to test was really trying to avoid that, because I just don't think it's good for her tbh. SQ fluids... Is that like the catheter in the ear? Or something else?

    Asked about bloods, receptionist had no idea.. So yea.. I guess I'll be talking to my vet next Tuesday about it all I'm hoping we can get her on the potassium citrate over the weekend I asked them to give me the dose for that. Idk whether to insist on a catheter back in her ear.. She was peeing in streams with 10ml of fluids every 4 hours.. But she hates that thing on her ear wish there was another way I could get fluids into her

    Maybe I should ask for more baytril too, probably wouldn't hurt to have it for longer? Would I have to effectively start again though? So 14 days from now? Obviously I'd get my vet to sign off on it
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    SQ fluids = 'subcutaneous fluids'- ie given under the skin like an injection. So no catheter in the ear needed.

    Yes, another course of Baytril would need to be started as a 'new course', not a continuation of the previous one.

    Why is she on Tramadol ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack's-Jane View Post
    SQ fluids = 'subcutaneous fluids'- ie given under the skin like an injection. So no catheter in the ear needed.

    Yes, another course of Baytril would need to be started as a 'new course', not a continuation of the previous one.

    Why is she on Tramadol ?
    Ooo Idk if I can be trusted to do that... Is it difficult? Could I mess it up? I'll ask about it

    Yea maybe I say shall we just do a two week course or something.

    For pain I guess? Idek she was on tramadol and loxicom (so loxicom she was on for a week before the flush and a week after, maybe a week and a half I have to admit I've kinda lost track of time) but vet said she didn't want her to be on loxicom any longer, can be bad for them? Idk? But said to stay on the tramadol.. I picked a new bottle up this morning. I guess maybe because she wasn't eating much they thought she could be in pain? Idk. Either way she's meant to be having it 3 times a day now she's not on the loxicom, I've only been managing 2 x a day though, and tbh one morning I forgot.. And she was no different.. Honestly she deserves better I've been so busy I'm all over the place it's so hard to do all the meds when I'm not at home enough. But it makes me wonder if she's even in pain.. Without it she was fine. Its all such a headache

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graciee View Post
    Ooo Idk if I can be trusted to do that... Is it difficult? Could I mess it up? I'll ask about it

    Yea maybe I say shall we just do a two week course or something.

    For pain I guess? Idek she was on tramadol and loxicom (so loxicom she was on for a week before the flush and a week after, maybe a week and a half I have to admit I've kinda lost track of time) but vet said she didn't want her to be on loxicom any longer, can be bad for them? Idk? But said to stay on the tramadol.. I picked a new bottle up this morning. I guess maybe because she wasn't eating much they thought she could be in pain? Idk. Either way she's meant to be having it 3 times a day now she's not on the loxicom, I've only been managing 2 x a day though, and tbh one morning I forgot.. And she was no different.. Honestly she deserves better I've been so busy I'm all over the place it's so hard to do all the meds when I'm not at home enough. But it makes me wonder if she's even in pain.. Without it she was fine. Its all such a headache

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    Well IME both for myself (Tramadol makes me feel awfully sick) and in Rabbits Tramadol can cause loss of appetite. I can understand the Vet wanting to be careful re Metacam if any Kidney issues may be involved. But equally I would want to ask the Vet specifically why Tramadol is being prescribed as it is not without it's own side effects.

    SQ fluids are easy to give, the Vet or a VN can give you a few lessons. Clementine may only need them for a couple of days, just till the abx kick in.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack's-Jane View Post
    Well IME both for myself (Tramadol makes me feel awfully sick) and in Rabbits Tramadol can cause loss of appetite. I can understand the Vet wanting to be careful re Metacam if any Kidney issues may be involved. But equally I would want to ask the Vet specifically why Tramadol is being prescribed as it is not without it's own side effects.

    SQ fluids are easy to give, the Vet or a VN can give you a few lessons. Clementine may only need them for a couple of days, just till the abx kick in.
    There's no kidney issues that I'm aware of atm obviously no blood results yet..

    It's just for if she was in pain I think, it was introduced after the flush so makes sense, I didn't know it can reduce their appetite though! Although Clementine seems to be getting her appetite back actually, it's just not as much hay as I'd like tbh.

    What a mess I'm hoping they'll email me back regarding doses for the potassium citrate.. I found a Lloyd's pharmacy kinda near by in a large Sainsburys so I can go get that one you linked, I've sent a pdf of the label to my vet. Just hoping they'll work it out

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