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    Rambo is experiencing hind leg paralysis. sometimes it's total dragging and sometimes she does a couple of hops.
    I was wondering if anyone could help with treatment advice. My fab bunny vet has moved and the new one isn't brilliant so I'd like to get some extra thoughts from you wonderful people.

    She's on panacur but should lola also be having a course at the same time so she doesn't pass the infection back? Also how important is the disinfecting? I can't rip up the carpet but I have no idea how to clean it. Could I lay some lino on top until the spores have died? Would putting them both on panacur for a longer period of time (say acouple of months) do the trick?
    I've also requested some non-steroidal anti-inflammatory on the advice of someone I'm buying a bunny wheelchair from. Does that sound like a good idea?

    ETA: she's doing so ridiculously well with it. Still pretty bright in herself and thismorning at the vet she groomed me for the first time ever, as if to tell me she hates all this but she doesn't hate me for it

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    Quote Originally Posted by BattleKat View Post
    Rambo is experiencing hind leg paralysis. sometimes it's total dragging and sometimes she does a couple of hops.
    I was wondering if anyone could help with treatment advice. My fab bunny vet has moved and the new one isn't brilliant so I'd like to get some extra thoughts from you wonderful people.

    She's on panacur but should lola also be having a course at the same time so she doesn't pass the infection back? Also how important is the disinfecting? I can't rip up the carpet but I have no idea how to clean it. Could I lay some lino on top until the spores have died? Would putting them both on panacur for a longer period of time (say acouple of months) do the trick?
    I've also requested some non-steroidal anti-inflammatory on the advice of someone I'm buying a bunny wheelchair from. Does that sound like a good idea?

    ETA: she's doing so ridiculously well with it. Still pretty bright in herself and thismorning at the vet she groomed me for the first time ever, as if to tell me she hates all this but she doesn't hate me for it
    I am sorry to hear that Rambo may have EC. Has the Vet ruled out other possible causes for her symptoms ?

    http://www.medirabbit.com/EN/Neurolo...ls/paresis.htm

    These links may also be useful to read

    https://www.dechra.co.uk/therapy-are...ion/e-cuniculi

    http://wildpro.twycrosszoo.org/S/00d...tozoonosis.htm

    https://rabbitwelfare.co.uk/rabbit-health/e-cuniculi/

    https://www.dovepress.com/encephalit...t-article-VMRR

    http://www.greendale.co.uk/cuniculi_disease.html

    Re disinfecting the carpet, steam cleaning would be suitable.


    Links to information about various health problems that can affect Rabbits :
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    NB- If you think your Rabbit is unwell it is essential to seek immediate veterinary attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BattleKat View Post
    Rambo is experiencing hind leg paralysis. sometimes it's total dragging and sometimes she does a couple of hops.
    I was wondering if anyone could help with treatment advice. My fab bunny vet has moved and the new one isn't brilliant so I'd like to get some extra thoughts from you wonderful people.

    She's on panacur but should lola also be having a course at the same time so she doesn't pass the infection back? Also how important is the disinfecting? I can't rip up the carpet but I have no idea how to clean it. Could I lay some lino on top until the spores have died? Would putting them both on panacur for a longer period of time (say acouple of months) do the trick?
    I've also requested some non-steroidal anti-inflammatory on the advice of someone I'm buying a bunny wheelchair from. Does that sound like a good idea?

    ETA: she's doing so ridiculously well with it. Still pretty bright in herself and thismorning at the vet she groomed me for the first time ever, as if to tell me she hates all this but she doesn't hate me for it

    Hi BattleKat

    I am sorry to hear about Rambo.

    There are several causes of hind leg paralysis, as you probably know, and some info on that here:

    http://www.medirabbit.com/EN/Neurolo...ls/paresis.htm

    https://rabbitwelfare.co.uk/rabbit-health/e-cuniculi/


    The anti-inflammatory is a very good idea. It minimises the chance of inflammatory response and spores of EC erupting in other organs, for example the kidneys and eyes.

    You probably already know that bleaching the litter trays on days 21 and 28 of treatment with a 1% bleach will kill any spores. Both rabbits should definitely be treated. My vet has advocated a longer (and double dose) course of Panacur, but that is something to discuss with your vet.

    Regards the idea of a wheelchair, this has been used before and quite successfully:

    http://www.disabledrabbits.com/wheelchairs.html

    The carpet - you could use a steam cleaner on that perhaps? You can hire one.

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    I don’t have any experience of this but I’m sending lots of vibes to Rambo xx

    Binky free at the bridge Boots, you will never be forgotten xxxx

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    Thanks for the replies all, the support means a lot. She's very up and down.
    Monday night she was dragging, Tuesday morning she managed 7 wobbly hops, a foot thump and a foot flick to let me know how very annoyed she was but then Wednesday she was mostly dragging both legs all day.
    Last night she was pulling both legs right under her one at a time, using them to propel herself forwards and generally showing real improvement but then thismorning she's completely dragging her right and barely moving her left. She also seems to have lost bladder control which is a huge knock to my positivity.

    Aisde from the physical symptoms she seems in generally good spirits. She whizzes around like a snake and seems pretty perky. She's eating hay. Whenever I put her down after physio she immediately turns to face me for a treat. It's important for me to remember that even as a healthy rabbit she'd spend hours lying under a chair without moving and it's not a sign she's giving up.

    I'm going to start putting her propped up in a box tonight. I've been moving and massaging her legs for about 15 minutes before work, on lunch and in the evening so I thought I'd give her a chance to stretch her legs after then pop her in the box for half an hour if she seems ok with it.

    Does anyone know what dose of loxicom she should be on? I can't remember offhand what she's been prescribed but I know it's different to last time which has concerned me. I so miss my old vet

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    Quote Originally Posted by BattleKat View Post
    Thanks for the replies all, the support means a lot. She's very up and down.
    Monday night she was dragging, Tuesday morning she managed 7 wobbly hops, a foot thump and a foot flick to let me know how very annoyed she was but then Wednesday she was mostly dragging both legs all day.
    Last night she was pulling both legs right under her one at a time, using them to propel herself forwards and generally showing real improvement but then thismorning she's completely dragging her right and barely moving her left. She also seems to have lost bladder control which is a huge knock to my positivity.

    Aisde from the physical symptoms she seems in generally good spirits. She whizzes around like a snake and seems pretty perky. She's eating hay. Whenever I put her down after physio she immediately turns to face me for a treat. It's important for me to remember that even as a healthy rabbit she'd spend hours lying under a chair without moving and it's not a sign she's giving up.

    I'm going to start putting her propped up in a box tonight. I've been moving and massaging her legs for about 15 minutes before work, on lunch and in the evening so I thought I'd give her a chance to stretch her legs after then pop her in the box for half an hour if she seems ok with it.

    Does anyone know what dose of loxicom she should be on? I can't remember offhand what she's been prescribed but I know it's different to last time which has concerned me. I so miss my old vet

    Whilst I am not qualified to give advice re what dose of a POM to give
    there is a dose reference range noted on here

    http://wildpro.twycrosszoo.org/S/00C.../Meloxicam.htm

    If it is the DOG Loxicom (generic name 'Meloxicam') you have (ie 1.5mg/ml) then 0.1ml = 0.15mg

    I am glad to hear that Rambo is in good spirits within herself, that will certainly act in her favour.


    Links to information about various health problems that can affect Rabbits :
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    Quote Originally Posted by BattleKat View Post
    Thanks for the replies all, the support means a lot. She's very up and down.
    Monday night she was dragging, Tuesday morning she managed 7 wobbly hops, a foot thump and a foot flick to let me know how very annoyed she was but then Wednesday she was mostly dragging both legs all day.
    Last night she was pulling both legs right under her one at a time, using them to propel herself forwards and generally showing real improvement but then thismorning she's completely dragging her right and barely moving her left. She also seems to have lost bladder control which is a huge knock to my positivity.

    Aisde from the physical symptoms she seems in generally good spirits. She whizzes around like a snake and seems pretty perky. She's eating hay. Whenever I put her down after physio she immediately turns to face me for a treat. It's important for me to remember that even as a healthy rabbit she'd spend hours lying under a chair without moving and it's not a sign she's giving up.

    I'm going to start putting her propped up in a box tonight. I've been moving and massaging her legs for about 15 minutes before work, on lunch and in the evening so I thought I'd give her a chance to stretch her legs after then pop her in the box for half an hour if she seems ok with it.

    Does anyone know what dose of loxicom she should be on? I can't remember offhand what she's been prescribed but I know it's different to last time which has concerned me. I so miss my old vet

    You are so welcome - I know what it's like struggling with this one.

    I believe we are not allowed to give specific doses for prescription meds on the Forum?
    However, if you still need help with this, PM me with your rabbit's weight and I will work out a dosage range from first principles for you.

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    I went in their room last night and she was sat so well!




    This morning when I was stretching her legs she snatched the right one from me twice(!), but after that not even a hint of trembling or anything and when I put her down she snaked away barely moving her left leg and no movement at all in her right leg.

    It's making the whole thing easier that Rambo loves anything out of a syringe, giving her meds is an absolute breeze. Lola, on the other hand, has to be tricked in to taking the panacur in new and exciting ways every day

    The wheelchair was clearly not designed for a rabbit but it seems quite lightweight and changes direction easily so I've ordered a velcro harness, some strapping and some small buckles to try and modify it. I think if I can get her comfortable with a harness and then clip that on to the chair we should be good. I've also got some 5" elastic at home that I think I can make a waist sling out of so her back legs can dangle down and move freely while her middle is being picked up from the floor.
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    She is beautiful she certainly looks bright and alert topping up the vibes for her xx

    Binky free at the bridge Boots, you will never be forgotten xxxx

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    Sending vibes for her. x

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