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Kidney disease help. Treatments and advice please

Happy Hopping said:
Okay, so what you really have here, reminds me of some ultrasound I took a few mth. ago. I had some stomach pain, the doctor done some ultrasound photos, found nothing, but in the midst of those photo, they found something else that is minor but totally unrelated

Doing those blood test is normal pre-surgery. I personally don't prescribe to that theory because if the surgery needed to be done, then there is no choice 1 way or the other. If the surgery is not important, then sure, do the blood test is a wise precaution.

So in summary, you found a kidney issue that Pepper is drinking a lot of water. So let's assume that is really the case. But your vet also said there is 2 year to fix this.

So there are 2 things you can do:

1) w/ my rabbit specialist locally, the no. 1 diet for small animal supplement is this guy:

http://store.harrisonsbirdfoods.com/15-oz-ORGANIC-RED-PALM-FRUIT-OIL/productinfo/PFO/

The cost is inflated, don't buy it directly from him. But if you cut & paste the description of the text, and put it in the search engine, you'll find he's really selling this:

https://store.nutiva.com/products/organic-red-palm-oil

this is good for human and animals, only $6 for a big 32 oz jar. My vet has highly recommend this for my rabbits, and I have been giving this to my 2 buns and myself for years. Further, this product is certified to be Habitat Orangutan safe / friendly, meaning it didn't destroy any orangutan environment in the making of this product.

it's a very excellent product that should be given to rabbits w/ or without kidney problems

the idea behind this falls under the field of science called Nutrigenomics, (you are what you eat), in short, given proper diet, knowing you CANNOT alter your genes, you CAN alter the "Expression" of your genes.

The anti-oxidant inside will benefit Pepper. If you buy this, let me know, I'll give you more details on dosage and how to given this to human / animals, let me know

2) I have a few books on alternative medicine, I can upload to that acct. I told you, and eventhough they are meant for human, there are natural food that you can "wing" it for rabbits, for e.g., under Alternative treatment for kidney, from "Gale Group Encyclopedia of Alternative Medicine":

Supplementation with herbs that are blood cleansers
or blood purifiers is recommended. These herbs
strengthen the action of the liver and the kidneys, helping
with detoxification and excretion. Dandelion root
tincture (Taraxacum officinale) is recommended. Others
include burdock root (Arctium lappa), also known as
gobo, and can be purchased fresh at health food grocers
or in Asian markets. It can be used either raw or cooked
in salads, stir-fries, or other vegetable dishes. Burdock
root tincture can also be used. Red clover (Trifolium
pratense) makes a pleasant tea that can be consumed
throughout the day. Milk thistle seed (Silybum marianum)
can either be taken in tincture form or the seeds
can be ground up and eaten in combination with hot cereal,
granola, or other foods.

======================

If there is legitimate concern that you believe Pepper's kidney is in trouble, I would go to health food store, and see what kind of alternative preventive maintainence medicine is there for human on kidney, and try out a little bit for Pepper.

For e.g., using the above from Gale, you can get some Dandelion root, smashed it w/ a juicer, mix w/ some banana, and see if Pepper will eat it.

Let me know if you want to give this a go, if so, I can upload these ebooks tonight and you can download it, view these PDF, and search under the key word "kidney"
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Im willing to give anything a go. Thank you so much for your information and knowledge

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Happy Hopping said:
Okay, so what you really have here, reminds me of some ultrasound I took a few mth. ago. I had some stomach pain, the doctor done some ultrasound photos, found nothing, but in the midst of those photo, they found something else that is minor but totally unrelated

Doing those blood test is normal pre-surgery. I personally don't prescribe to that theory because if the surgery needed to be done, then there is no choice 1 way or the other. If the surgery is not important, then sure, do the blood test is a wise precaution.

So in summary, you found a kidney issue that Pepper is drinking a lot of water. So let's assume that is really the case. But your vet also said there is 2 year to fix this.

So there are 2 things you can do:

1) w/ my rabbit specialist locally, the no. 1 diet for small animal supplement is this guy:

http://store.harrisonsbirdfoods.com/15-oz-ORGANIC-RED-PALM-FRUIT-OIL/productinfo/PFO/

The cost is inflated, don't buy it directly from him. But if you cut & paste the description of the text, and put it in the search engine, you'll find he's really selling this:

https://store.nutiva.com/products/organic-red-palm-oil

this is good for human and animals, only $6 for a big 32 oz jar. My vet has highly recommend this for my rabbits, and I have been giving this to my 2 buns and myself for years. Further, this product is certified to be Habitat Orangutan safe / friendly, meaning it didn't destroy any orangutan environment in the making of this product.

it's a very excellent product that should be given to rabbits w/ or without kidney problems

the idea behind this falls under the field of science called Nutrigenomics, (you are what you eat), in short, given proper diet, knowing you CANNOT alter your genes, you CAN alter the "Expression" of your genes.

The anti-oxidant inside will benefit Pepper. If you buy this, let me know, I'll give you more details on dosage and how to given this to human / animals, let me know

2) I have a few books on alternative medicine, I can upload to that acct. I told you, and eventhough they are meant for human, there are natural food that you can "wing" it for rabbits, for e.g., under Alternative treatment for kidney, from "Gale Group Encyclopedia of Alternative Medicine":

Supplementation with herbs that are blood cleansers
or blood purifiers is recommended. These herbs
strengthen the action of the liver and the kidneys, helping
with detoxification and excretion. Dandelion root
tincture (Taraxacum officinale) is recommended. Others
include burdock root (Arctium lappa), also known as
gobo, and can be purchased fresh at health food grocers
or in Asian markets. It can be used either raw or cooked
in salads, stir-fries, or other vegetable dishes. Burdock
root tincture can also be used. Red clover (Trifolium
pratense) makes a pleasant tea that can be consumed
throughout the day. Milk thistle seed (Silybum marianum)
can either be taken in tincture form or the seeds
can be ground up and eaten in combination with hot cereal,
granola, or other foods.

======================

If there is legitimate concern that you believe Pepper's kidney is in trouble, I would go to health food store, and see what kind of alternative preventive maintainence medicine is there for human on kidney, and try out a little bit for Pepper.

For e.g., using the above from Gale, you can get some Dandelion root, smashed it w/ a juicer, mix w/ some banana, and see if Pepper will eat it.

Let me know if you want to give this a go, if so, I can upload these ebooks tonight and you can download it, view these PDF, and search under the key word "kidney"
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Would you recommend oxbow urinary support?
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Absolutely, there is no harm in going for it.

Oxbow has also recently change their pellet choices. I used to buy the red color bag "Adult Rabbit Food Essential", but they have this new solution since 2017:

http://www.oxbowanimalhealth.com/our-products/fortified-food/organic-bounty-adult-rabbit

I chat about this w/ a bunch of rabbit people at ?? group, and they are mostly happy w/ this as well. So if you want, you might as well switch over if you haven't already
 
Rebeccaa, I have 2 PDF files for alternative medicine for human, it's just been uploaded to that acct. I told you. You can go and download it

P.S. you're an admirable bunny mom, Pepper is so lucky to have you to look after him
 
I am still using the red one, so i will definitely change over once i go through that bag, only just brought it. Thank you so much. Really appreciate it.
 
if . Her UPC (urine protein creatinine ratio) is 0.78, and normal is 0.4, is she is chronic or acute kidney disease?
She's not showing most of the symptoms that you'd get with a rabbit with kidney disease, shes still eating, got a big appetite on her, she is drinking half a liter a day, she stays on or below 2kg, still very active, does urinate a bit but does it in her litter tray.
I just dont think i can believe or accept that she has kidney disease, i think i will ask the vet to do another urine analysis.
 
Might just be wishful thinking and in denial
The vet did say another 12-18 months so maybe she will start declining within then.


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The last thing I have a bun w/ chronic kidney disease is back in 2005. At the time, there is a table that I dig out on chronic kidney disease, I don't remember where the table is (from some website) So someone else has to answer your question

However, my vet at the time, use her hand to feel the kidney of my bun, and feel that 1 is smaller than the other. I don't know if the vet today still uses this trick.

Definitely try the red palm oil, it keeps my buns in good health for many years. You can buy it in the internet
 
Bought some no sugar cranberry juice. So maybe itll help clean out her kidneys and encourage her to drink more

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Happy Hopping said:
keep us posted. And post regular video and photos at his facebook page for his progress
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Here's a question
My vet thinks the damage to the kidneys is from EC. Makes sense
But she had it 4 years ago, so why is it only starting to damage her kidneys now???

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1) what did you dilate in the water? You mean the cranberry?

2) I'm having a hard time believing something happened 4 yr. ago can cause damage to kidney now. You can post the same question at House Rabbit Society at facebook and see if someone can offer an explanation

Put this in a human perspective, if my doctor tell me something I suffer from 4 yr. ago now come back to me, I can't believe it neither
 
Happy Hopping said:
1) what did you dilate in the water? You mean the cranberry?

2) I'm having a hard time believing something happened 4 yr. ago can cause damage to kidney now. You can post the same question at House Rabbit Society at facebook and see if someone can offer an explanation

Put this in a human perspective, if my doctor tell me something I suffer from 4 yr. ago now come back to me, I can't believe it neither
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Bought some western Timothy hay.
So expensive
But so worth it if it helps.

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my buns love timothy hay stem. When I bought 2 bale from the farm, the fresh hay attracts them so much, there is a lot more bunny poos for weeks before the scent dies down. And I kept them in 4 container to retain the scent as much as possible
 
So my bunny is fighting kidney disease,
Some blood has shown in her urinalysis...
I have tried plants, berries, oxbow tablets, medications, shes on antibiotics twice a week for a prolonged ear infection that jas left her with an abscess in her ear...
But she still manages to get worse.
Just feel so defeated.
Shes only six years old.. its not fair

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Update, shes had kidney disease for about 14 months now.
Her UPC is at 2.7.
She was at 1.986kg at end of jan, she is now about 1.825kg.
Feeding her and giving her fluids, by the end of the day shes over 2kg.
We just stopped telimstartan because it has not worked and back onto benzapril.
Fluid through sub cute 3 times a day, 50ml each time.
Shes eating some on her own, just not enough to keep weight.
Shes drinking water and is still active.
Currently feeding critcal care and a mixture of oats, blackberries, cranberry juice, and pellets.
Have also made a celery juice.
Any one have any advice?
She only has one remaining kidney.
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rebeccalyn732 said:
Update, shes had kidney disease for about 14 months now.
Her UPC is at 2.7.
She was at 1.986kg at end of jan, she is now about 1.825kg.
Feeding her and giving her fluids, by the end of the day shes over 2kg.
We just stopped telimstartan because it has not worked and back onto benzapril.
Fluid through sub cute 3 times a day, 50ml each time.
Shes eating some on her own, just not enough to keep weight.
Shes drinking water and is still active.
Currently feeding critcal care and a mixture of oats, blackberries, cranberry juice, and pellets.
Have also made a celery juice.
Any one have any advice?
She only has one remaining kidney.
c13322a8f805a0380c44fc7a1ac2e0ae.jpg


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It sounds as though you and your Vet are providing your Bunny with good supportive care and it is good that Bunny is bright within herself. Has the Vet mentioned giving an anabolic steroid injection, eg Nandrolone ? In cases of CRF Anabolic Steroids can reduce muscle catabolism and increase the appetite

http://wildpro.twycrosszoo.org/S/00dis/Miscellaneous/ChronicRenalLagomorph.htm
 
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