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    No advice but wanted to say how sorry I am that Luna is unwell.

    Both Frosty and Snowflake (who were with me from a few weeks old) had this problem for a weekmor two until I reduced their pellets. I really hope you find a solution for Luna.

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    Thank you Tulsi

    She had her first dose of panacur today so hopefully that does something. Thank u MM for pellets, they arrived today so will try those after her panacur has finished too.

    I am slightly concerned about changing her pellets again but looking at it from the perspective that if something prevents this for even a few days then that's progress and will continue down that route

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    Not for the queasy but I have finally got a pic of Luna's poop before she squishes it all down! Yes I'm excited lol. She's not yet been given any pellets (I was about to clean out and feed) and has only eaten hay/ grass since she had her pellets yesterday around 11/12am.

    Shall I bag this up and send to the vets or shall I freeze it maybe until the panacur course has finished. This is the only time since I've had her I've got to it unsquished

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leannean27 View Post
    Not for the queasy but I have finally got a pic of Luna's poop before she squishes it all down! Yes I'm excited lol. She's not yet been given any pellets (I was about to clean out and feed) and has only eaten hay/ grass since she had her pellets yesterday around 11/12am.

    Shall I bag this up and send to the vets or shall I freeze it maybe until the panacur course has finished. This is the only time since I've had her I've got to it unsquished

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    I would bag it and ask the vet if they want to analyse it now or later and see what they say. And at the same time you could ask what problem they believe the Panacur would be addressing.

    Just as well I am not eating - I am a queasy person!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leannean27 View Post
    Thank you Tulsi

    She had her first dose of panacur today so hopefully that does something. Thank u MM for pellets, they arrived today so will try those after her panacur has finished too.

    I am slightly concerned about changing her pellets again but looking at it from the perspective that if something prevents this for even a few days then that's progress and will continue down that route

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    You're very welcome

    I know what you mean about changing pellets again, but when my bun had this problem I changed pretty swiftly because it was clear that what was being fed before was contributing to the problem. She might have a different issue to my rabbit

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    Sorry to bring this thread to life again

    Luna has finished her 9 day Panacur treatment and there has been no change she is still producing excess cecals/ not eating them at all.

    Vet no 1 wants to go down the fibreplex route, I don't feel much faith in her or that 'treatment' if I'm honest. She's on a really high fibre diet and her normal droppings are textbook perfect, I may be wrong but does hay/ diet really affect cecals that much anyway?

    Vet no 2 wants to examine her physically to make sure (as she has come from a breeder) she hasn't got something wrong physically that will stop her reaching her cecals and dependent on this then do a fecal sample which is 80.

    I've literally just cried, feel so stupid haha because I've gone outside and she just sat in a tonne of squashed poo and I'm so worried about fly strike with her as it really stinks

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    Luna was seen by vet 2 after a fecal sample came back normal who poked and prodded her and couldn't feel anything anatomically as to why she couldn't physically reach down to cecals - in fact Luna seemed to love her little massage and melted into the table!

    She was a bit stumped to say the least but we agreed however on a 7 day course of Metacam to see if there is a pain thing with the view of doing an x ray if that helped at all, although I have a feeling an x ray will be the next step regardless. I forgot to ask them but does anyone know what the cost of this would be roughly?

    I'm also keeping a daily record of what she eats, drinks, activity levels etc to see if this flags anything up.

    I have seen on here before a link to specialists who your vets can contact and talk to, could someone help me with this so I can pass it onto her please as she wants an update on Wednesday? Thank you.

    Also put a few pics below of what I face all day everyday on case it jogs anyone's memories/ thoughts

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    This must be distressing for you and also worrying as no cause has been found. In the first pic, over how long has this been produced. It's difficult to judge how many caecals a rabbit normally produces in one day as they normally eat them straight away, but that does seem a lot to me. Perhaps someone else knows how many is normal.

    Have you started her on the Metacam? It will be interesting to see whether any difference occurs. I don't know the cost of an x-ray I'm sorry.

    If there is no improvement with the Metacam, I would be inclined to retry her with hay/grass only for a period longer than a week, which I know you've tried before. It should make the caecals more fibrous and less sticky and she might just find them more palatable. As well as some rabbits tolerating some pellets better than others, it does also seem that some rabbits just can't tolerate any pellets.

    Has she never eaten her caecals?
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    I have never seen her eat them which of course I know it's not to say she isn't. I have seen her lay down, do one then walk away like there was no 'trigger' to her brain and I've also seen her maybe lick or take a nibble another time before there were all left behind her

    The first pic is what I woke up to yesterday I think it was but u can see in the second and third pic all the staining from these droppings which I'm having to clean up constantly. I have to wipe down daily and disinfect and scrub as best I can once a week too, the floors a mess!

    It's so incredibly frustrating. Take today for example. I go out at 8ish and there is a pile the size of a cup rim on second tier of hutch, I clean it up and open lower door to small run. An hour later I go to put them in large run for the day and there are two more, smaller piles on lower level and one outside. There have been none so far in the large run (just checked again) but then I've also not fed pellets today yet either

    She had her first dose last night and I'm about to give her a second now along with pellets and fibre sticks and top up hay

    She's stretched out, up tall and jumped on top of her hay rack today so can't see it being anatomical.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Leannean27 View Post
    I have never seen her eat them which of course I know it's not to say she isn't. I have seen her lay down, do one then walk away like there was no 'trigger' to her brain and I've also seen her maybe lick or take a nibble another time before there were all left behind her

    The first pic is what I woke up to yesterday I think it was but u can see in the second and third pic all the staining from these droppings which I'm having to clean up constantly. I have to wipe down daily and disinfect and scrub as best I can once a week too, the floors a mess!

    It's so incredibly frustrating. Take today for example. I go out at 8ish and there is a pile the size of a cup rim on second tier of hutch, I clean it up and open lower door to small run. An hour later I go to put them in large run for the day and there are two more, smaller piles on lower level and one outside. There have been none so far in the large run (just checked again) but then I've also not fed pellets today yet either

    She had her first dose last night and I'm about to give her a second now along with pellets and fibre sticks and top up hay

    She's stretched out, up tall and jumped on top of her hay rack today so can't see it being anatomical.





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    I hope things have improved? It could still be anatomical as they have to bend under themselves, she’s not overweight or got a big dewlap at all has she?

    For cleaning, if you give it a deep cleaning, leave to dry and then use non slip vynil to stick on the floor it’s easier to clean

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