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    Day 20 - 3pm

    I am feeling like a terrible, terrible owner.

    My darling Rexy girl Selene has been completely beat up on. I noticed a huge blister on her shoulder and booked her in with our newest vet. He's not exotics qualified YET but has a massive interest in them. Anyhow, I went to load the 7 in a crate, and Meadow just set herself on poor Selene who was screaming and screaming. So I took just Helios and Selene, knowing full well they will NOT be returning to the dutches/River/Mus/Athena. The fight between Meadow and Selene ended with the blister actually bursting and a huge flap of dead skin/fur hanging off. It's awful.

    Anyhow D examined Selene thoroughly, then Helios and clipped Helios's nails for me(!) Helios hasn't any wounds at all; he's in fine fettle, just fat. He then said he would clean up the wounds then try and staple/sew them closed again. First he tried with just a local, but Sea wasn't having any of it. He came through to ask for permission to sedate her, which of course I gave. OH, Helios, and I, meanwhile, were waiting in the consult room. H was sticking to me like glue! They were gone for the longest time. We overheard that Z (an exotics vet) AND D were working on 'an emergency' and knew it was her. Eventually he brought Sea back, and one of her sides has pretty much been completely shaven. A nightmare for D because she is a rabbit, but also a REX rabbit (apparently, a dog would have taken a quarter of the time!) He indicated where the worst wounds are, what has been done, and how there's more minor scabs elsewhere. She's on metacam and baytril. She has a check-up in a week and has to be kept indoors.

    H was the sweetest when she returned. He immediately set to grooming her, and nuzzling her. He's such a good, concerned husbun.

    So my plans after Sea's recovered?

    Right now, I'm hoping the Outdoor 5 will be fine now. Of course I'm gonna keep an eye on this but I really hope that's the end of all rejections.

    After that, I'm going to try H and Sea with Persephone and Morpheus. There never appeared to be any aggression between them, and hopefully that'll work. We'll then look at building them a new run, and new shelter of some description. That's in addition to what Persephone and Morpheus are in now.

    Right now though, I'm feeling hugely guilty. And beating myself up about it. This only happened because I had all these lofty ideas. But, it also proves the importance of ALWAYS having a back-up plan. I just hope, when the time comes, I'll have a happy 5, and a happy quad.
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    Aww bless Selene but please don't beat yourself up about it, you tried 9 so they could all be together and get on you never did it with the intention of putting any in harms way. You noticed Persephone and Morpheus wer'nt clicking with the group and resolved that issue and now you have noticed Meadow and Selene etc. To me you have always had the buns at the forefront. So what if the initial idea is out the window and may have been changed to two groups. Yes there have been a couple of injuries/ scuffles but I think anyone would have been shocked if they went together with no problems and life went on. Go get a cuppa, sounds like you need one!

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    Nobody can tell which way it'll go with bunny bonding so nobun's to blame - please go easy on yourself. Healing vibes for you & selene

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    Oh gosh, poor Selene I'm so very sorry this has happened. I certainly wouldn't beat yourself up about it, although I know exactly how you feel having experienced it very recently with my failed quintet bond with Tethra, which I called a halt to after he was injured. I hope that she heals well.

    Bonding for me appears NEVER to be an exact science. In my view it is mostly about the rabbits' personalities and very little to do with the skill of the bonder. Yes, of course there are sensible guidelines to be followed when bonding, but sometimes rabbits just do not want to live together and your track record proves that you are an experienced bonder with loads of successful bonds behind you.

    I hope that the revised groups work out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tlcwrites View Post
    Day 20 - 3pm

    I am feeling like a terrible, terrible owner.

    My darling Rexy girl Selene has been completely beat up on. I noticed a huge blister on her shoulder and booked her in with our newest vet. He's not exotics qualified YET but has a massive interest in them. Anyhow, I went to load the 7 in a crate, and Meadow just set herself on poor Selene who was screaming and screaming. So I took just Helios and Selene, knowing full well they will NOT be returning to the dutches/River/Mus/Athena. The fight between Meadow and Selene ended with the blister actually bursting and a huge flap of dead skin/fur hanging off. It's awful.

    Anyhow D examined Selene thoroughly, then Helios and clipped Helios's nails for me(!) Helios hasn't any wounds at all; he's in fine fettle, just fat. He then said he would clean up the wounds then try and staple/sew them closed again. First he tried with just a local, but Sea wasn't having any of it. He came through to ask for permission to sedate her, which of course I gave. OH, Helios, and I, meanwhile, were waiting in the consult room. H was sticking to me like glue! They were gone for the longest time. We overheard that Z (an exotics vet) AND D were working on 'an emergency' and knew it was her. Eventually he brought Sea back, and one of her sides has pretty much been completely shaven. A nightmare for D because she is a rabbit, but also a REX rabbit (apparently, a dog would have taken a quarter of the time!) He indicated where the worst wounds are, what has been done, and how there's more minor scabs elsewhere. She's on metacam and baytril. She has a check-up in a week and has to be kept indoors.

    H was the sweetest when she returned. He immediately set to grooming her, and nuzzling her. He's such a good, concerned husbun.

    So my plans after Sea's recovered?

    Right now, I'm hoping the Outdoor 5 will be fine now. Of course I'm gonna keep an eye on this but I really hope that's the end of all rejections.

    After that, I'm going to try H and Sea with Persephone and Morpheus. There never appeared to be any aggression between them, and hopefully that'll work. We'll then look at building them a new run, and new shelter of some description. That's in addition to what Persephone and Morpheus are in now.

    Right now though, I'm feeling hugely guilty. And beating myself up about it. This only happened because I had all these lofty ideas. But, it also proves the importance of ALWAYS having a back-up plan. I just hope, when the time comes, I'll have a happy 5, and a happy quad.

    So sorry to hear about Selene I hope she recovers OK.

    You must not beat yourself up about this. It's good to have ideas and plans that would make yours and their lives enriched and easier. If you didn't try you'd have never known. These things happen and it wasn't meant to be. But you tried and you'd always wonder if you hadn't, whether it would've been possible.

    So moving on, vibes for the separate groups and a few extra for Selene.

    PS you are a wonderful person and I value your support more than you will know. Thank you for your PM and I can't tell you how much your bravery and honesty mean to me. Many hugs for you this evening ... xx

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    Hi, I hope Selene is feeling better today. What you were attempting was purely for the buns sake and there’s no blame to be dolled out. No one can know how the rabbits will get on until you try. We’ve all been here, trying to make a big happy group or even a pair in order to provide company and bunny love for our rabbits. I hope you’re feeling better today too and keep posting as I’ve been following your thread with much interest. Sending vibes to you and all your buns xx

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    Just catching up: best wishes for Selene, and to you too, of course you'll feel guilty but it's not your fault Good luck with the next steps
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    Thank you everyone.

    Today was the day for Selene's check-up with her vet. He is very very pleased with her progress. No wounds showing inflammation, and she was good as gold taking her Baytril (and Metacam) all week. (I mean amazing; she took it without too many arguments at all. Never thought I'd see a rabbit tolerate that dreaded antibiotic!)

    D doesn't want her to be back into bonding just yet. A few more days to heal, then we'll be ok. He did make sure it wasn't with the rabbit that hurt her though! D doesn't have the official training yet, but definitely has all the makings of an excellent rabbit vet. So at my one surgery, that's 3 different options for vets for my rabbits/tort/small pets, then another who is a cat specialist.

    We'll start again Monday. Meanwhile, they are back outside, albeit only in Persephone and Morpheus's 'original' hutch. (It's over 30sqft) Which is better than being cooped up inside, with only runaround breaks here and there. Will continue updating here once Bonding 2.0 starts.
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    So glad that Selene is on the mend. Look forward to the next round of bonding when the time is right.

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    Day 28 - Quintet

    Over the past couple of days, OH and I have been working on using our pipe to connect the quintet's 2 48sqft runs. We got it finished this morning, once we finally got the bolts and nuts to bite.

    Athena was first through, claiming everything. Followed by Erasmus, and Neonara shortly after. Meadow also had an investigate, but only after OH had moved her from the small run, to their 6x8ft run, near the pipe. It was hot this morning and the rabbits were feeling lazy, so I left them mostly to it until teatime. By then, they had all managed to navigate the new pipe (OH was convinced it wasn't big enough, but I knew they'd all fit through!) and had an investigate. It was raining during their tea, but I still got a few photos.

    Meadow and Neo are both a bit cautious around the others, especially Erasmus. However, they'll also happily flop together, so I am fairly comfortable that, after 4 weeks, these guys will be safe to stay together for good. Eventually, they'll get the 30sqft hutch/tower which Helios and Selene are currently in, but only after I've started bonding Helios, Selene, Persephone, and Morpheus again, and am comfortable that it's going in the right direction. Once they get that, they'll have their full space until we remake the long run which they got today - it'll be going from a 4x12ft to a 5x12ft.

    Anyhow, pictures/videos:

    https://youtu.be/HvE3rsBxtHg

    https://youtu.be/LgP1SxBbQjk

    https://youtu.be/slA_E-MqAzE











    WARNING: THESE LAST 2 PICTURES ARE GRAPHIC.
    Hence, clickable links instead.

    These were taken a week ago, yesterday, after Selene's vet visit. I want to demonstrate just how badly things can go when bonding goes wrong. When I start bonding her with Persephone/Morpheus, I'll take an updated photo of her sides. Her fur is already growing back very nicely now!

    https://i.imgur.com/yXNXiK6.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/k91Lom0.jpg
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