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Move away from Muesli

Thank you MightyMax that was an interesting quick read (as well as this post) - I can definitely second the pellets being left, the Muesli Luna is on atm contains two different types of pellets both of which she leaves. I didn't throw these away today however I simply added to it although I may have to reconsider this if they are still there tomorrow... maybe another reason for some breeders choosing muesli is to fatten the babies up a bit so they look 'healthier/ plumper', just a thought. I know the breeder was keen I have her as soon as she turned 8 weeks; to the day
 
MightyMax said:
It may not be true of all breeders, but certainly some that I know buy muesli in bulk because it's cheaper than buying pellets.

Feeding muesli or pellets is a very contentious issue, as you will see if you read this thread, but a Rabbit Specialist Vet (retired) has said the following if you'd like to read the link. Obviously take it in the context of all the other replies on this thread :)


https://www.harcourt-brown.co.uk/articles/free-food-for-rabbits/the-problem-with-muesli-mixes-1
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And if you read the link, it’s based on feeding only muesli or very little hay.
If fed mainly hay and a small amount of muesli, I don’t see how it causes dental issues, obesity, selective feeding or vitamin D deficiency.
If many people keep rabbits on a hay only diet and they have no issues, I don’t see how feeding anything else can lead to deficiencies?
 
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Leannean27 said:
Thank you MightyMax that was an interesting quick read (as well as this post) - I can definitely second the pellets being left, the Muesli Luna is on atm contains two different types of pellets both of which she leaves. I didn't throw these away today however I simply added to it although I may have to reconsider this if they are still there tomorrow... maybe another reason for some breeders choosing muesli is to fatten the babies up a bit so they look 'healthier/ plumper', just a thought. I know the breeder was keen I have her as soon as she turned 8 weeks; to the day
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You're welcome :)

Yes, it's the leaving of bits and pieces - 'selective feeding' that may mean a rabbit misses out on vital nutrients. Pellets are balanced with vitamins and minerals etc, but I am afraid I don't know the composition of muesli mixes like Rabbit Royale.
 
I'm going to have a good read of the bag tomorrow either way. Halfpenny, I'm not sure although I've only had Luna a few days and she has definitely left the pellets of her Muesli, I'm going to feed her tomorrow and look at what bits she eats first just out of interest..
 
Leannean27 said:
I'm going to have a good read of the bag tomorrow either way. Halfpenny, I'm not sure although I've only had Luna a few days and she has definitely left the pellets of her Muesli, I'm going to feed her tomorrow and look at what bits she eats first just out of interest..
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Rabbit royale-
Grass, oat feed,wheat, barley, oats, alfalfa, wheatfeed, maize, dehulled soya bean, glucose, peas, carrots, unmolassed sugar beet, straw, marigolds, dicalcium phosphate, mint, rape oil, nettle, man an oligosaccharides, black currant, kale, spinach, beetroot,rosemary, rosehip, pomegranate.
Protein- 12%
Fat content- 2.5%
Crude fibres- 14%
Crude ash- 6%
Beneficial fibre- 32%

Burgess excel
Grass, wheat, oat feed, soya bean hulls, peas,yeast, mint,soya oil, dicalcium phosphate,salt,short chain fructo oligosaccharides, limestone, minerals
Protein- 13%
Crude oils- 4%
Crude fibre- 19%
Crude ash- 6.5%
Beneficial fibre- 39%

There are other constituents but there are not numbers for both to be able to compare.
 
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halfpenny said:
Rabbit royale-
Grass, oat feed,wheat, barley, oats, alfalfa, wheatfeed, maize, dehulled soya bean, glucose, peas, carrots, unmolassed sugar beet, straw, marigolds, dicalcium phosphate, mint, rape oil, nettle, man an oligosaccharides, black currant, kale, spinach, beetroot,rosemary, rosehip, pomegranate.
Protein- 12%
Fat content- 2.5%
Crude fibres- 14%
Crude ash- 6%
Beneficial fibre- 32%

Burgess excel
Grass, wheat, oat feed, soya bean hulls, peas,yeast, mint,soya oil, dicalcium phosphate,salt,short chain fructo oligosaccharides, limestone, minerals
Protein- 13%
Crude oils- 4%
Crude fibre- 19%
Crude ash- 6.5%
Beneficial fibre- 39%

There are other constituents but there are not numbers for both to be able to compare.
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Any ideas what this 'beneficial fibre' actually is?

Was looking into it when I was considering switching pellets, but excel were only ones that had it on their list as far as I could see :S x

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Graciee said:
Any ideas what this 'beneficial fibre' actually is?

Was looking into it when I was considering switching pellets, but excel were only ones that had it on their list as far as I could see :S x

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According to Burgess, beneficial fibre is a combination of digestible and indigestible fibre.

http://burgesspetcare.com/rabbits/feeding-your-rabbit/


So what's 'crude fibre' you ask ;)

Here's what Burgess says:

Crude Fibre (CF) - represents 20-90% of the lignin and 30-100% cellulose depending upon the plant. It is generally considered as a poor measure to use when making a complete diet for a rabbit.

http://burgesspetcare.com/blog/post.php?s=2016-05-20-rabbit-fibre-14-essential-facts


Clear as Mud?? :lol:
 
MightyMax said:
According to Burgess, beneficial fibre is a combination of digestible and indigestible fibre.

http://burgesspetcare.com/rabbits/feeding-your-rabbit/


So what's 'crude fibre' you ask ;)

Here's what Burgess says:

Crude Fibre (CF) - represents 20-90% of the lignin and 30-100% cellulose depending upon the plant. It is generally considered as a poor measure to use when making a complete diet for a rabbit.

http://burgesspetcare.com/blog/post.php?s=2016-05-20-rabbit-fibre-14-essential-facts


Clear as Mud?? [emoji38]
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Why's it gotta be so complicated [emoji38][emoji38]

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MightyMax said:
According to Burgess, beneficial fibre is a combination of digestible and indigestible fibre.

http://burgesspetcare.com/rabbits/feeding-your-rabbit/


So what's 'crude fibre' you ask ;)

Here's what Burgess says:

Crude Fibre (CF) - represents 20-90% of the lignin and 30-100% cellulose depending upon the plant. It is generally considered as a poor measure to use when making a complete diet for a rabbit.

http://burgesspetcare.com/blog/post.php?s=2016-05-20-rabbit-fibre-14-essential-facts


Clear as Mud?? :lol:
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Tbh, if you are feeding mainly hay, I don’t see fibre being particularly relevant.
 
I bought these pellets after problems with excel. They also feature high on Tamsins comparisons. I was recommended it for my stasis bun by a fellow RU member. Since giving these to maple I have no more excess cecos. I was coming home before to find she had done loads before.

Timothy Hay 65%, herbal hay 10%, chicory 5%, inulin 0.2%, yucca schidigera 0.05%, grape seed extract 0.01%, seeds, fruit (apple 5%), vegetable protein extracts, minerals, algae (spirulina powder 0.01%).*

Additives: oregano
Nutritional additives: Vit A, Vit D3, Vit E, Vit C, Vit K3, Vit B1, Vit B2, Vit B6, Vit B12, Niacin, Pantothenic acid, Biotin, Folic acid, cholin, Iodine, copper, manganese, zinc, selenium
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I like it when you can read a list and can understand what the food actually contains! The muesli list in my opinion looks better than the excel list what with all the added flowers and forage bits :s I wonder what minerals the pellets actually contain and whether this is prevalent in hay? I don't feel bad giving her muesli, I will personally move her onto pellets once the muesli has gone but am interested in the Nature one now! Might have to donate this big bag of excel I already have :)
 
halfpenny said:
Tbh, if you are feeding mainly hay, I don’t see fibre being particularly relevant.
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For the average bun maybe, one of mine has something wrong with it, so I'm always trying to tweak diet to help :)

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Graciee said:
For the average bun maybe, one of mine has something wrong with it, so I'm always trying to tweak diet to help :)

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There is no ‘one size fits all’, I don’t really care what other people feed their rabbits if it’s the correct amount and it works. I do object to being demonised because I feed muesli, which has never been an issue with my rabbits and in fact has helped keep a few of them going longer.
I object to people trying to ban it, when the main problem in rabbits diets is feeding too much of any concentrate and not enough hay.
 
halfpenny said:
There is no ‘one size fits all’, I don’t really care what other people feed their rabbits if it’s the correct amount and it works. I do object to being demonised because I feed muesli, which has never been an issue with my rabbits and in fact has helped keep a few of them going longer.
I object to people trying to ban it, when the main problem in rabbits diets is feeding too much of any concentrate and not enough hay.
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Yea I can understand that, I'm not sure I'd feed muesli personally - but everyone's gotta do what they've gotta do :) you'll never get shade from me about it - as long as hay is the main event I can't see too much of an issue :) x

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loobers25 said:
I bought these pellets after problems with excel. They also feature high on Tamsins comparisons. I was recommended it for my stasis bun by a fellow RU member. Since giving these to maple I have no more excess cecos. I was coming home before to find she had done loads before.

Timothy Hay 65%, herbal hay 10%, chicory 5%, inulin 0.2%, yucca schidigera 0.05%, grape seed extract 0.01%, seeds, fruit (apple 5%), vegetable protein extracts, minerals, algae (spirulina powder 0.01%).*

Additives: oregano
Nutritional additives: Vit A, Vit D3, Vit E, Vit C, Vit K3, Vit B1, Vit B2, Vit B6, Vit B12, Niacin, Pantothenic acid, Biotin, Folic acid, cholin, Iodine, copper, manganese, zinc, selenium
fbe21acd1c1c7a4f3b00799925d58ada.jpg


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I have to say I like the look of that too :D
 
Leannean27 said:
I like it when you can read a list and can understand what the food actually contains! The muesli list in my opinion looks better than the excel list what with all the added flowers and forage bits :s I wonder what minerals the pellets actually contain and whether this is prevalent in hay? I don't feel bad giving her muesli, I will personally move her onto pellets once the muesli has gone but am interested in the Nature one now! Might have to donate this big bag of excel I already have :)
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You must make the transition to pellets very gradually by mixing the 2 for a month or so. :thumb:
 
Thanks for the heads up tonibun. I actually meant by introducing the pellets towards the end of the bag but was only advised 5-7 days so I will start soon if it's a month long transition
 
loobers25 said:
I bought these pellets after problems with excel. They also feature high on Tamsins comparisons. I was recommended it for my stasis bun by a fellow RU member. Since giving these to maple I have no more excess cecos. I was coming home before to find she had done loads before.

Timothy Hay 65%, herbal hay 10%, chicory 5%, inulin 0.2%, yucca schidigera 0.05%, grape seed extract 0.01%, seeds, fruit (apple 5%), vegetable protein extracts, minerals, algae (spirulina powder 0.01%).*

Additives: oregano
Nutritional additives: Vit A, Vit D3, Vit E, Vit C, Vit K3, Vit B1, Vit B2, Vit B6, Vit B12, Niacin, Pantothenic acid, Biotin, Folic acid, cholin, Iodine, copper, manganese, zinc, selenium
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Yay. I'm glad these are helping your bun loobers. I particularly chose them, because they have less added ingredients. So many of the other pellets have lots of sugar or yeast in them. I thought wild bunnies don't eat sugar or yeast, so why should mine!

They smell so good I'm always tempted to try them myself.

Hahaha.
 
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