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    Sending lots more vibes for Gemini this morning. It must be distressing to watch.
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    Sending healing vibes for Gemini.x

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    Quote Originally Posted by bunny momma View Post
    Zoobec, Omi, Cuthbert, and Mighty Max,

    Thank you for your good thoughts.

    He is about the same as he was when he was at the vets yesterday afternoon. He has a lot of eye and head movement and hops in a circular pattern and wobbles. He is minimizing his movements; yet he did manage to wash his face after I fed him his critical care earlier today.

    Last night he fell over and, before my spouse could help Gemini to right himself, he ripped off one of his toenails-likely on one of the towels I gave Gemini as a cushion. By the time I saw the blood dots on his towel/newspapers they were dry. Gemini only let me look at his foot long enough to determine he lost a toenail and it was not bleeding anymore. His nails were trimmed recently so I did not expect this to happen when he already was so ill.



    Gemini got his third dose (every 12 hours) of the abx and I am hoping that something will improve, especially the eye and head movement, overnight.


    I am so sorry to hear this

    It's so difficult to know what to do for the best, as he can't tell you how he feels.

    Regarding the dizziness, it's not known whether rabbits feel nausea and sickness as they can't vomit, so there's hope that he's not feeling as bad as we would in those circumstances?

    I find this article really helpful:


    http://www.rabbit.org/health/tilt.html

    The use of anti-nausea drugs is controversial, as there is no clear evidence that rabbits experience feelings of nausea. They have a different physiology than humans in that they physically do not have the capacity to vomit, so we do not know if motion sickness plays a role in rabbits with vestibular disease, and there is no substantiated evidence that the use of anti-nausea drugs helps improve the condition of rabbits with head tilt. Although there is probably no harm (although this has not been examined, either), these drugs are probably not necessary and it might be best to avoid too many pharmaceuticals given to the rabbit at one time. Some veterinarians feel anti-nausea drugs, like diphenhydramine or meclizine, are useful in the rolling rabbit or one who is not eating.

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    Hi Jane and Mighty Max,

    Thank you for your posts.

    He is still getting medicam at a dosage that is above average. I asked about meclizine and vet did not want to give him an unproven med which may have an interaction. Several years ago we did use it for my late Black Velvet and my own observation was that is only seemed to help for a couple of hours, during which time I would give her feedings.
    This morning he had some reduced eye and head movements, even though his head is tipped a lot to one side. When I held him, he decided to groom my chin and face as I gave him pets. He never licked me that much so I think he was feeling a little better and more secure as I held him.
    I was so encouraged I left him for a few hours after I gave him his feedings, fluids, and meds. When I arrived home I saw he made some very soft poo and he had a messy bum too. Gemini was very good as I rinsed his butt. His abx must be working because his eye movements were even less than this morning.

    As I was writing this vet returned my call and he said this particular abx is unlikely the reason for his soft poos and it is more likely from the change in diet to critical care and stress. We will continue the abx with are working and monitor him closely.

    To get his diet closer to normal I will add some ground up pelleted bunny food to his critical care at his next syringe feeding.

    I did not think the soft poos were uneaten cecals. Of course it is always a possibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omi View Post
    Sending lots more vibes for Gemini this morning. It must be distressing to watch.
    I appreciate the good thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kattymieoww View Post
    Sending healing vibes for Gemini.x
    Gemini and I thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bunny momma View Post
    Hi Jane and Mighty Max,

    Thank you for your posts.

    He is still getting medicam at a dosage that is above average. I asked about meclizine and vet did not want to give him an unproven med which may have an interaction. Several years ago we did use it for my late Black Velvet and my own observation was that is only seemed to help for a couple of hours, during which time I would give her feedings.
    This morning he had some reduced eye and head movements, even though his head is tipped a lot to one side. When I held him, he decided to groom my chin and face as I gave him pets. He never licked me that much so I think he was feeling a little better and more secure as I held him.
    I was so encouraged I left him for a few hours after I gave him his feedings, fluids, and meds. When I arrived home I saw he made some very soft poo and he had a messy bum too. Gemini was very good as I rinsed his butt. His abx must be working because his eye movements were even less than this morning.

    As I was writing this vet returned my call and he said this particular abx is unlikely the reason for his soft poos and it is more likely from the change in diet to critical care and stress. We will continue the abx with are working and monitor him closely.

    To get his diet closer to normal I will add some ground up pelleted bunny food to his critical care at his next syringe feeding.

    I did not think the soft poos were uneaten cecals. Of course it is always a possibility.


    I must say when my rabbit was very poorly for several weeks recently he began to do the soft poo you mention. I believe it was also the syringe feeding and stress of the situation.

    I am glad the abx seem to be working. I really hope he gets better, as you've been through the mill one way and another and deserve to catch a break.

    Topping up the vibes for Gemini x

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    Quote Originally Posted by bunny momma View Post
    Hi Jane and Mighty Max,

    Thank you for your posts.

    He is still getting medicam at a dosage that is above average. I asked about meclizine and vet did not want to give him an unproven med which may have an interaction. Several years ago we did use it for my late Black Velvet and my own observation was that is only seemed to help for a couple of hours, during which time I would give her feedings.
    This morning he had some reduced eye and head movements, even though his head is tipped a lot to one side. When I held him, he decided to groom my chin and face as I gave him pets. He never licked me that much so I think he was feeling a little better and more secure as I held him.
    I was so encouraged I left him for a few hours after I gave him his feedings, fluids, and meds. When I arrived home I saw he made some very soft poo and he had a messy bum too. Gemini was very good as I rinsed his butt. His abx must be working because his eye movements were even less than this morning.

    As I was writing this vet returned my call and he said this particular abx is unlikely the reason for his soft poos and it is more likely from the change in diet to critical care and stress. We will continue the abx with are working and monitor him closely.

    To get his diet closer to normal I will add some ground up pelleted bunny food to his critical care at his next syringe feeding.

    I did not think the soft poos were uneaten cecals. Of course it is always a possibility.
    I would not worry too much about the soft poo at this stage. Given that Gemini has significant vestibular disturbance at the moment, he is no doubt stressed and he is also not eating his usual amount of fibre (hay) then soft poo is not really that surprising. He may need ongoing help to keep himself clean as getting to his bum to eat his cecals may make him feel very dizzy and possibly roll. This could put him off bothering to try again.

    I hope the small improvements in his symptoms continue, it's a positive that the nystagmus has lessened. Still sending lots of vibes for him xx


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    Jane and MM,

    Thank you for your reassurance in regards to his soft poo. He had less of the soft poo today, but what he had smelled very stinky. I cleaned his rear as much as he would allow. He also had some smaller/hard poos so I suspect that is also because he is not getting enough fiber. Gemini still has the eye movements in both eyes to about the same extent as yesterday at this time and his head has approximately the same amount of tilt. However, he is falling less often as he moves around. Today he also ate a small amount of greens from carrot tops and dandelion greens; plus he even managed to drink a little from his water bottle without falling over. He still needs the critical care/ground pellet mash and sub Q fluids along with his meds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bunny momma View Post
    Jane and MM,

    Thank you for your reassurance in regards to his soft poo. He had less of the soft poo today, but what he had smelled very stinky. I cleaned his rear as much as he would allow. He also had some smaller/hard poos so I suspect that is also because he is not getting enough fiber. Gemini still has the eye movements in both eyes to about the same extent as yesterday at this time and his head has approximately the same amount of tilt. However, he is falling less often as he moves around. Today he also ate a small amount of greens from carrot tops and dandelion greens; plus he even managed to drink a little from his water bottle without falling over. He still needs the critical care/ground pellet mash and sub Q fluids along with his meds.
    Poor little man I really hope that his vestibular symptoms lessen soon. It's encouraging that he is at least trying to eat a little for himself xx


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    Rabbit Health and Diseases, a list of useful online information

    http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/sh...ealth-Problems

    Myxomatosis, RHD1 and RHD2- VACCINATION IS ESSENTIAL

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