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    Hi all. I've not posted for a few months as all has been well. Sort of.
    Some of you may remember I had a problem early last year with my young mini lops breeding. We rehomed 1 of the 3 and kept a male and female which were divid up and paired with mum and dad in separate hutches. All are neutered and have been for 4 months now. We noticed mum had nipped young male at the end of last year and he had a patch on his behind that has now grown back. I was worried at the time but they happily snuggle together and groom each other and both are eating and lay happily in the garden and front lounge together when out so I just thought it was mum putting him in his place. Since early autumn dad and young female have also had their little fights. I've seen them chase in the hutch twice but found fur a couple of times over night. This morning there was quite some fur and dad had had his ear bitten. It's not torn but punctured. However they are now both huddled up together and eating together. How concerned should u be and what should my next steps be? Or is this just a case of females making sure the men know who's boss? I cannot have a 3rd hutch as 2 doubles is enough for any garden so now I'm worried if I have to rehome anyone? Can anyone advise or reasure please? Many Thanks in Advance.
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    So Dad is with his Daughter and Mum with her Son? Or did you put Mum and Dad back together, which is what I would have done. In the case of Mum and Son it is possible that the boy wants to be dominant now he is older and doesn't want to remain as a baby. Dad and Daughter should get along though so have no idea why they might fall out. Do you get cats etc coming in to the garden which might come up close to the hutch and set off Referred Aggression?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonibun View Post
    So Dad is with his Daughter and Mum with her Son? Or did you put Mum and Dad back together, which is what I would have done. In the case of Mum and Son it is possible that the boy wants to be dominant now he is older and doesn't want to remain as a baby. Dad and Daughter should get along though so have no idea why they might fall out. Do you get cats etc coming in to the garden which might come up close to the hutch and set off Referred Aggression?
    Mum and dad lived apart from 15 wks but played out together, hence the kits! Dad was neutered while mum and the litter were together and all would be in the garden but dad was kept apart from the family as was advised in case aggression with the youngsters. Dad is so affectionate but mum is a bit nippy when she wants to be. We eventually ley dad out with the young abd he was really good. The occasional leaning over them to let yhem know who was incharge but nothing else. We tried mum and dad back together once mum had been spayed and initially play dates went fine for 3 days. Then a scrap broke out after 20 mins, which we managed to seperate with no damage done. The same happened again the next play date too. It quickly went from eating grass together to trying to mount and then tail chasing. And then a bunny ball fight! I was worried and didn't know if this was normal or too much so again I separated them. It was then I thought maybe it was easier to split the youngsters so parents each had a partner. While they were young it was no problem. I always thought dad and daughter got on best but I would now say it's the other way around! Mum and soon are seen grooming A LOT more then the other 2. Yet dad and daughter are both more approachable and accepting of us fussing them. Mum and son seem more shy.
    We used to see cats around here a bit but I've not seen any for some time. They get most excited when its feed time and last yr when dad and daughter had scraps it was when they heard/saw the food coming, one would mount the other and a chase would ensue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louise H View Post
    Mum and dad lived apart from 15 wks but played out together, hence the kits! Dad was neutered while mum and the litter were together and all would be in the garden but dad was kept apart from the family as was advised in case aggression with the youngsters. Dad is so affectionate but mum is a bit nippy when she wants to be. We eventually ley dad out with the young abd he was really good. The occasional leaning over them to let yhem know who was incharge but nothing else. We tried mum and dad back together once mum had been spayed and initially play dates went fine for 3 days. Then a scrap broke out after 20 mins, which we managed to seperate with no damage done. The same happened again the next play date too. It quickly went from eating grass together to trying to mount and then tail chasing. And then a bunny ball fight! I was worried and didn't know if this was normal or too much so again I separated them. It was then I thought maybe it was easier to split the youngsters so parents each had a partner. While they were young it was no problem. I always thought dad and daughter got on best but I would now say it's the other way around! Mum and soon are seen grooming A LOT more then the other 2. Yet dad and daughter are both more approachable and accepting of us fussing them. Mum and son seem more shy.
    We used to see cats around here a bit but I've not seen any for some time. They get most excited when its feed time and last yr when dad and daughter had scraps it was when they heard/saw the food coming, one would mount the other and a chase would ensue.

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    Can anyone further advise. Should I be concerned or are they just ranking it out? My Darling Bun Boy is so sweet, I don't want to be putting him in danger with his stroppy daughter!

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    I've just brought them both in the house (dad is 13 months now and daughter is 8 months old. Both are neutered and lived together for 5 months.). Luna (Daughter) keeps running away from Onyx (dad) and hiding from her. We've noticed he has another bite on his other ear now. I'm not sure if this has just happened since we've brought them in or while they've been in the hutch this afternoon. It looks like it's wet so it's fairly fresh. He seems very scared. I don't know what to do. I do t want to interfere if this is part of establishing their bond but I want to keep him safe. Should we bring him inside and keep them parted of should we be keeping them together? Ideally I want them to be paired so they have a companion but if he's in danger I'm going to have to rehome Luna. As we had Onyx first and he's such a softie.

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    Personally I would separate them if dad appears scared and has an injury - it's difficult to tell when you're not there in person but that seems like the best choice.

    How long has daughter been neutered for now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by daphnephoebe View Post
    Personally I would separate them if dad appears scared and has an injury - it's difficult to tell when you're not there in person but that seems like the best choice.

    How long has daughter been neutered for now?

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    4 months. They always seemed the strongest pair. We've put dad in the hutch and we're bringing the indoor cage in to keep Luna in for the night so he's safe. Then what? If they are apart too long we'll ruin whatever bond they have. Although it seems at present there isn't much of a BOND at all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louise H View Post
    4 months. They always seemed the strongest pair. We've put dad in the hutch and we're bringing the indoor cage in to keep Luna in for the night so he's safe. Then what? If they are apart too long we'll ruin whatever bond they have. Although it seems at present there isn't much of a BOND at all!

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    Personally I'd keep them separate for a week or two without any sight or smell of each other then restart the bonding process from scratch. This will give time for your male to heal and if one happens to be slightly under the weather which may be causing the issues they'll hopefully be feeling better come rebonding time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daphnephoebe View Post
    Personally I'd keep them separate for a week or two without any sight or smell of each other then restart the bonding process from scratch. This will give time for your male to heal and if one happens to be slightly under the weather which may be causing the issues they'll hopefully be feeling better come rebonding time.

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    Ok. How would you go about rebounding after a week? Short supervised play dates? They would eventually have to go back to the same hutch of paired and it's going to be scented to Onyx, and the internal cage to Luna. As Luna was young when introduced it didn't take much bonding. They just happily went together until recently. So I've never had to bond any before so I don't know what I'm doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louise H View Post
    Ok. How would you go about rebounding after a week? Short supervised play dates? They would eventually have to go back to the same hutch of paired and it's going to be scented to Onyx, and the internal cage to Luna. As Luna was young when introduced it didn't take much bonding. They just happily went together until recently. So I've never had to bond any before so I don't know what I'm doing.

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    It may be that they never bonded before in that case.
    Just because buns are related it doesn't mean they will automatically bond.

    The most important thing all borders can agree on is the need for neuteral space for bonding.

    While they are separated it'd be worth having a read through the different threads on bonding.

    If I get time tomorrow I'll send you a PM with some basic bonding info but as of right now I'm heading off to bed x

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