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    This afternoon, I discovered Rubi was seriously ill and before I could call the emergency vet she died. I noticed she was very bloated and her nostrils were blocked. I was attempting to clean her nostrils when she died. She had not been unwell at all.

    Two or three weeks ago ( I can't remember exact date ) we visited the rabbit rescue on the island to donate some food. Some of you may remember that I have mentioned this rescue before _ although I haven't been on here for awhile - and what goes on there. During conversation she mentioned that a few months previously she lost a few buns to RVHD11. I did not see the buns whilst we were at the rescue or go into the out building where they are kept. Vaccinations at the rescue are hit and miss, mostly miss. I have paid for buns to be vaccinated in the past. I don't think her current buns have been vaccinated.

    As I stated Rubi has been fine, no obvious sign of anything wrong. I am so worried that we might have brought something back from this rescue and I could lose my remaining buns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hartleyhare View Post
    This afternoon, I discovered Rubi was seriously ill and before I could call the emergency vet she died. I noticed she was very bloated and her nostrils were blocked. I was attempting to clean her nostrils when she died. She had not been unwell at all.

    Two or three weeks ago ( I can't remember exact date ) we visited the rabbit rescue on the island to donate some food. Some of you may remember that I have mentioned this rescue before _ although I haven't been on here for awhile - and what goes on there. During conversation she mentioned that a few months previously she lost a few buns to RVHD11. I did not see the buns whilst we were at the rescue or go into the out building where they are kept. Vaccinations at the rescue are hit and miss, mostly miss. I have paid for buns to be vaccinated in the past. I don't think her current buns have been vaccinated.

    As I stated Rubi has been fine, no obvious sign of anything wrong. I am so worried that we might have brought something back from this rescue and I could lose my remaining buns.

    Hi there, it's lovely to see you again.

    But I am so very sorry to hear about Rubi. That's just terrible

    Yes, I remember our conversations about the work you did for the rescue, and all those details ....

    To be honest, no vaccine is 100% foolproof. There are always vaccine failures, usually associated with vaccinating a rabbit that isn't in tip top condition and so the vaccine doesn't 'take'. My instinct in your case would be to say that Rubi died of some other cause, than RHD2. But of course unless a post mortem is carried out, there's no way of knowing.


    You could perhaps take a look here, and see whether this is something you might want to participate in. I can understand if not:

    https://www.harcourt-brown.co.uk/vet...nvestigation-1

    Frances Harcourt Brown said on Facebook on 26th Sept 2017 regarding vaccine failure ...

    Yes, I have heard of some cases, either directly by e-mail or through the online survey about the origin of RHD outbreaks. It is a concern. Any vaccine is not 100% because it depends on the animal developing an immune response and some vaccines are better than others. However, I think the vaccine breakdowns are one of the reasons that Filavie wish to be involved. It means that if there are any vaccinated rabbits that die from RHDV2 in the investigation, they will have the virus that caused it and will be able to identify the strain. They will also have tissue from rabbits that didn't die from RHD so we may be able to find out if there are carriers. Filavie do want to know the vaccination details when the tissue is submitted but they won't have the histopathology results at that point. Histopathology have proved to be diagnostic so far.
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    Both her and Hartley had the RVHD11 vaccination on 31/1/17 and I actually have an appointment already booked for January 2018 for the booster. I did not know the rescue had a RVHD11 outbreak until I got there, I would not have gone there or just handed food over the gate. I think they have lost buns to Mxyi too. I wrote about my recent visit on another forum ( non rabbit ) and although I gave the watered down version I did mention the issues with bacterial and viral infections and general lack of good hygiene practises. I was ( politely ) advised to stay well away from this place.

    I will have a read of the link tomorrow, not in right frame of mind at present. Thank you for the reply MightyMax

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    Quote Originally Posted by hartleyhare View Post
    Both her and Hartley had the RVHD11 vaccination on 31/1/17 and I actually have an appointment already booked for January 2018 for the booster. I did not know the rescue had a RVHD11 outbreak until I got there, I would not have gone there or just handed food over the gate. I think they have lost buns to Mxyi too. I wrote about my recent visit on another forum ( non rabbit ) and although I gave the watered down version I did mention the issues with bacterial and viral infections and general lack of good hygiene practises. I was ( politely ) advised to stay well away from this place.

    I will have a read of the link tomorrow, not in right frame of mind at present. Thank you for the reply MightyMax

    You are welcome

    The vaccine is tested for 13 months duration of immunity.

    I hope you're OK x
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    So very sorry to hear about Rudi

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    I am very sorry I hope your other rabbits remain well.

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    Oh I'm so very sorry to hear this While no vaccine is ever 100%, the entire reason for giving it is so that it protects your rabbits if they come into contact with the virus, so while it's not impossible, it's less likely to be RHD and more likely to be another reason. The incubation period is up to 9 days so if you went 2-3 weeks ago, that's too long ago for you to have brought it home to your rabbits. It's slightly possible that you brought it home and then it took a week or so longer to get around your house to the rabbit, but again, especially given their vaccination status, it's unlikely.

    Frances Harcourt-Brown talks about sudden and unexplained death on this page here and gives a list of some of the main possible causes of such a death:https://www.harcourt-brown.co.uk/art...expected-death

    Ultimately, without a post mortem it's impossible to say for certain, but it doesn't sound the most likely possibility by a long way. I hope all your other bunnies remain well xxx
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    The other buns seem ok - at the moment. I had a read of the links.
    I have put the single mattress on floor next to H's crate. I don't want him to sleep alone. He has that angry, hurt, confused look in his eyes ( I'm sure many of you will know that look ) and he is very quiet. At least he is eating.

    I have given some thought to the future. The only other rabbit rescues around here are in Conwy and Flintshire. Conwy is the RSPCA. They are too far away for H to make the car journey to meet prospective wifeybuns. I could go and choose someone, but he may not like her and a home check might be an issue as we are not local. I'm guessing the rescues would take the bun back if need be. Pets at Home often have female buns, but they will not allow H to meet anyone first and they won't take the bun back ( I asked about another of my buns when she was looking ).

    I could take H to the rescue here, but there is a risk to him by doing so and potentially to my other two buns. The advantage is he can choose who he wants to be with. The buns at the rescue are the most deserving of a nice home given the conditions. Not sure I want to take the risk though.

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    I'm so sorry for your loss
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    Quote Originally Posted by hartleyhare View Post
    The other buns seem ok - at the moment. I had a read of the links.
    I have put the single mattress on floor next to H's crate. I don't want him to sleep alone. He has that angry, hurt, confused look in his eyes ( I'm sure many of you will know that look ) and he is very quiet. At least he is eating.

    I have given some thought to the future. The only other rabbit rescues around here are in Conwy and Flintshire. Conwy is the RSPCA. They are too far away for H to make the car journey to meet prospective wifeybuns. I could go and choose someone, but he may not like her and a home check might be an issue as we are not local. I'm guessing the rescues would take the bun back if need be. Pets at Home often have female buns, but they will not allow H to meet anyone first and they won't take the bun back ( I asked about another of my buns when she was looking ).

    I could take H to the rescue here, but there is a risk to him by doing so and potentially to my other two buns. The advantage is he can choose who he wants to be with. The buns at the rescue are the most deserving of a nice home given the conditions. Not sure I want to take the risk though.

    I'm so sorry, it sounds heartbreaking

    I do understand your reservations about the buns at the near rescue, and as you say, they are most deserving. Didn't one of yours come from there?

    If you have somewhere to quarantine, you could pick a bun from there and keep them separate until vaccinated etc. As yours are vaccinated the risk is very small. I have done this before. Of course, there's no way you would take her back, but I have never had a male/female bond to fail, if that's any encouragement! Just make sure they are pretty similar in size.

    Do email privately if I can help at all
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    An extensive guide to all things RHD2 - Please Vaccinate!

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