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    Quote Originally Posted by MightyMax View Post
    I hope he doesn't lose more weight and that you're able to keep it pretty much stable.

    I love that thumps has joined your thread She is a mine of info and so generous with it
    Yes same to both very concerned by the reaction to the prebiotic now though - don't want him to get gassy again

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    Hi, I'm sorry to hear you have a megacolon bunny. I have one too, she was very poorly and had lots of tests and vet visits before being diagnosed. She is on daily medication of cisapride, zantac, emperid and metacam and has been for over a year and a half. For the first year we kept her on a diet of only hay, a few select fresh herbs and critical care. She seemed quite lethargic and a lot of the time though, not to mention very under weight, and she eventually got bored of the food and refused the critical care. Out of desperation we fed her dual care pellets and gradually introduced a bigger selection of herbs, redigrass and forage. She managed to put weight on and get more energy as she was getting more variety, although she couldn't cope on this diet without the medication alongside it. It's such a nasty disease, it's horrible when i see her in discomfort, but the meds have definitely helped. Its a case of trial and error with finding what works for your bunny as everyone bun is different

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    Sending you and your bunny some positive vibes. You may need to experiment with different combinations of greens, types of hay, and pellets to find a combination that controls the condition as best you can. I would not add anything new too quickly; or add too more than one new item at a time. It may be a few days between changes before you know if it was a positive change or not.
    Even a fresh bag of hay/food can cause a disruption of their GI balance in some bunnies; so I now mix some of the old with the new so the change is not as abrupt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graciee View Post
    Yes same to both very concerned by the reaction to the prebiotic now though - don't want him to get gassy again
    I empathise with this problem. My experience of Avipro plus with Thumper was that it was ineffective, although he had a big dysbiosis problem. (Caecum packed up completely for 10 months)
    I've been reluctant to advise our mainstay, which was blackthorn leaves, because they HAVE to be gathered after the "berries" called sloes are completely ripe - about September. They are not safely available commercially, so you would have to ask the foragers on here for help.
    I don't know how blackthorn leaves actually work, but my impression is that they preferentially remove the micro organisms which make toxins which slow down the bowel. When the bowel is already slow from poor nerve supply ..... the aim is obvious.

    For gas, I used a very modified "tummy rub". Never massaging directly over the abdomen, but stroking gently but firmly down the sides & slightly curving my fingers under, as Thumper would permit, when given complete freedom to move away. 1st on one side then the other.
    Rather than putting direct pressure on gas filled bowel, this gently shifts the bowel from side to side in the abdomen & helps to get the gas pocket moving & disperse it. (latterly, when Thumper had exceeded the max dose of meds this was the only way I could start him up again when we had 5 mins without any bowel sounds situations)

    For us, it was very close team work with vet, rabbit, & myself. I think it's probably the same for all of us, but those of us who have followed this path before you, can at least cautiously "open a few doors" - "This or that might help".

    The other option for gas in this situation would be dill seed tea. 1 teaspoon of dill seeds in a mug, pour over boiling water & cool. Strain off the liquid & offer to bunny. TBH neither of mine would drink it! but I think that if we gave fresh dill leaves to Atticus it could worsen his dysbiosis considerably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graciee View Post
    Yes same to both very concerned by the reaction to the prebiotic now though - don't want him to get gassy again

    That's quite worrying ... Was it Avipro?

    I don't use it, as there's no evidence that it does any good. I'm sure you know this already, but Frances Harcourt Brown suggests there's no evidence to support it's usefulness:


    Pre-biotics and probiotics were mentioned. It has been shown that they may increase the rate at which commercial rabbits can be grown, there is no evidence to support any medical benefit to rabbits or if they can help rebalance gut flora in poorly rabbits.



    I'm sorry to hear that prebiotics may have been the cause of further gut disturbance. You really need some answers, Grace xx
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    Quote Originally Posted by MightyMax View Post
    That's quite worrying ... Was it Avipro?

    I don't use it, as there's no evidence that it does any good. I'm sure you know this already, but Frances Harcourt Brown suggests there's no evidence to support it's usefulness:


    Pre-biotics and probiotics were mentioned. It has been shown that they may increase the rate at which commercial rabbits can be grown, there is no evidence to support any medical benefit to rabbits or if they can help rebalance gut flora in poorly rabbits.



    I'm sorry to hear that prebiotics may have been the cause of further gut disturbance. You really need some answers, Grace xx
    Yea it was the Avipro, stopped giving it to him but he just seems so much worse again I don't really know what to do anymore, I mean I feel like William has said all there is to say about it, and now its just up to me to try and manage it. He seems to have lost being litter trained... which isn't ideal considering the consistency of his output :/

    I know you aren't meant to bath bunnies - but what can I bath his bum in? Like is there anything I can use that wont irritate the area... it's bad down there and he's not cleaning himself xx

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    Quote Originally Posted by bunny momma View Post
    Sending you and your bunny some positive vibes. You may need to experiment with different combinations of greens, types of hay, and pellets to find a combination that controls the condition as best you can. I would not add anything new too quickly; or add too more than one new item at a time. It may be a few days between changes before you know if it was a positive change or not.
    Even a fresh bag of hay/food can cause a disruption of their GI balance in some bunnies; so I now mix some of the old with the new so the change is not as abrupt.
    Thank you Thanks what I've been doing so far, but it takes him so long to recover after he eats something "bad"

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebbieC View Post
    Hi, I'm sorry to hear you have a megacolon bunny. I have one too, she was very poorly and had lots of tests and vet visits before being diagnosed. She is on daily medication of cisapride, zantac, emperid and metacam and has been for over a year and a half. For the first year we kept her on a diet of only hay, a few select fresh herbs and critical care. She seemed quite lethargic and a lot of the time though, not to mention very under weight, and she eventually got bored of the food and refused the critical care. Out of desperation we fed her dual care pellets and gradually introduced a bigger selection of herbs, redigrass and forage. She managed to put weight on and get more energy as she was getting more variety, although she couldn't cope on this diet without the medication alongside it. It's such a nasty disease, it's horrible when i see her in discomfort, but the meds have definitely helped. Its a case of trial and error with finding what works for your bunny as everyone bun is different
    What tests exactly did you have done for your bunny? (hope you don't me asking) x

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    Quote Originally Posted by thumps_ View Post
    I empathise with this problem. My experience of Avipro plus with Thumper was that it was ineffective, although he had a big dysbiosis problem. (Caecum packed up completely for 10 months)
    I've been reluctant to advise our mainstay, which was blackthorn leaves, because they HAVE to be gathered after the "berries" called sloes are completely ripe - about September. They are not safely available commercially, so you would have to ask the foragers on here for help.
    I don't know how blackthorn leaves actually work, but my impression is that they preferentially remove the micro organisms which make toxins which slow down the bowel. When the bowel is already slow from poor nerve supply ..... the aim is obvious.

    For gas, I used a very modified "tummy rub". Never massaging directly over the abdomen, but stroking gently but firmly down the sides & slightly curving my fingers under, as Thumper would permit, when given complete freedom to move away. 1st on one side then the other.
    Rather than putting direct pressure on gas filled bowel, this gently shifts the bowel from side to side in the abdomen & helps to get the gas pocket moving & disperse it. (latterly, when Thumper had exceeded the max dose of meds this was the only way I could start him up again when we had 5 mins without any bowel sounds situations)

    For us, it was very close team work with vet, rabbit, & myself. I think it's probably the same for all of us, but those of us who have followed this path before you, can at least cautiously "open a few doors" - "This or that might help".

    The other option for gas in this situation would be dill seed tea. 1 teaspoon of dill seeds in a mug, pour over boiling water & cool. Strain off the liquid & offer to bunny. TBH neither of mine would drink it! but I think that if we gave fresh dill leaves to Atticus it could worsen his dysbiosis considerably.
    Ah my dad used to pick sloes to make sloe gin - but i'd be a bit scared i'd get it wrong... plus its not September yet haha regarding belly rub... that wont work as Atticus can be so sweet and then so vicious

    I'll give the tea a go next time his stomach settles down thank you xx

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