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Yes he drinks loads out of a ceramic bowl. They wouldn't use the bottles. I know I keep asking questions but are rabbits meant to poop alot. The piles of poop are not that big in there litter tray. I have seen pictures of other people's litter trays piled with hundreds of poops Nd I always wonder if mine poop enough. I clean the litter tray once per day.Sometimes there is is a big pile and other times not so much .

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Rabbis can poop hundreds in a day :) It also depends on whether they are eating lots of fibre. Good hay eaters will produce big golden poops even if they are small rabbits. But you can't make a rabbit eat hay if they are physically unable to.

So long as there is input and output, and they are eating enough to maintain their weight, then that should be OK. You could take some poop samples along to the vet and ask opinions?(Yes, seriously!)

https://www.saveafluff.co.uk/rabbit-info/rabbit-poo

http://www.therabbithouse.com/diet/rabbit-droppings.asp
 
Strangely my jimmy is back to normal again.he is eating like a horse without any discomfort. Isn't this a strange situation. The next time this happens for no reason I will defo get his dental done.i know he is a sensitive boy and gets stressed through anything, i just find it strange that if it was his teeth it wouldn't just last 2 days then go back to normal. Unless he keeps biting his cheek now and again, but the vet said there was no ulcers or cuts, if it wasn't his teeth the only thing I can think of is my mother usually comes and opens the bottom shed door for me in the morning because I start work at 6 and I dont like them being exposed that early in the morning. Yesterday she forgot to do it (not her fault she has mild dementia) so I was thinking maybe it upset Jimmy being locked in the shed all morning, It won't happen again as I will ring her every morning to make sure she has done it.

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Strangely my jimmy is back to normal again.he is eating like a horse without any discomfort. Isn't this a strange situation. The next time this happens for no reason I will defo get his dental done.i know he is a sensitive boy and gets stressed through anything, i just find it strange that if it was his teeth it wouldn't just last 2 days then go back to normal. Unless he keeps biting his cheek now and again, but the vet said there was no ulcers or cuts, if it wasn't his teeth the only thing I can think of is my mother usually comes and opens the bottom shed door for me in the morning because I start work at 6 and I dont like them being exposed that early in the morning. Yesterday she forgot to do it (not her fault she has mild dementia) so I was thinking maybe it upset Jimmy being locked in the shed all morning, It won't happen again as I will ring her every morning to make sure she has done it.

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Yes it is strange, and doesn't sound like a typical dental pattern at all.

You could get the vet to think about digestive issues. There's a lovely member on here, cpayne, who has an adorable rabbit called Doughnut who has digestive issues. I believe it took the vet a long time to get to the root of it, but now she has it under control.

I am sure she wouldn't mind you dropping her a line to ask her what she thinks abut Jimmy's situation?
 
Yes it is strange, and doesn't sound like a typical dental pattern at all.

You could get the vet to think about digestive issues. There's a lovely member on here, cpayne, who has an adorable rabbit called Doughnut who has digestive issues. I believe it took the vet a long time to get to the root of it, but now she has it under control.

I am sure she wouldn't mind you dropping her a line to ask her what she thinks abut Jimmy's situation?
That sounds like a good idea. The vet did check his tummy and said it all felt good. Every so often he has a day where he struggles to eat and I have to constantly coax him to get him to eat something, then after 2 days he's back to normal with no issue whatsoever. As you know This has Been happening since I adopted him with every minor change in his life he has an episode. It is worrying for me though.

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That sounds like a good idea. The vet did check his tummy and said it all felt good. Every so often he has a day where he struggles to eat and I have to constantly coax him to get him to eat something, then after 2 days he's back to normal with no issue whatsoever. As you know This has Been happening since I adopted him with every minor change in his life he has an episode. It is worrying for me though.

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Yes it would worry me too. Most unusual.

Dental might still be worth a consideration, and then prime suspect a digestive issue. I hope he stays well for the foreseeable.
Lovely little lad x
 
Thank you I will pm cpayne. Last night when I was sitting in the shed he jumped up next to Me and snuggled in. Moments like That just made me realise that I will do whatever it takes for this boy. Thank you x

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Thank you I will pm cpayne. Last night when I was sitting in the shed he jumped up next to Me and snuggled in. Moments like That just made me realise that I will do whatever it takes for this boy. Thank you x

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You're welcome :)

They are are vulnerable innocents and jumping up and snuggling is a beautiful sign that he wants your care and attention x
 
Yes he drinks loads out of a ceramic bowl. They wouldn't use the bottles. I know I keep asking questions but are rabbits meant to poop alot. The piles of poop are not that big in there litter tray. I have seen pictures of other people's litter trays piled with hundreds of poops Nd I always wonder if mine poop enough. I clean the litter tray once per day.Sometimes there is is a big pile and other times not so much .

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Perhaps it may be a good idea to review his diet. What do you feed him each day ?

From what you have described about his symptoms it sounds as though there might be some reduction in the motility of his cecum as well as the sharp tooth issue. Rather than me type various suggestions I'll just post a few links which you may feel you want to take a look at. Hope you dont regard it all as 'information overload' , just trying to be helpful :)

http://rabbitwelfare.co.uk/pdfs/ROWinter10p7.pdf

http://www.medirabbit.com/EN/GI_diseases/drop/Drp_en.htm

http://rabbit.org/disorders-of-the-cecum/

http://www.veterinaryirelandjournal.com/images/sa_mar_2015.pdf

http://wildpro.twycrosszoo.org/S/00dis/Miscellaneous/Caecal_Impaction.htm

http://www.ivis.org/proceedings/wsava/2008/lecture10/70.pdf?LA=1

Hopefully Jimmy is still doing well this morning. Could the improvement be because the Metacam is addressing pain/discomfort from the sharp tooth I wonder .................??
 
Perhaps it may be a good idea to review his diet. What do you feed him each day ?

From what you have described about his symptoms it sounds as though there might be some reduction in the motility of his cecum. Rather than me type various suggestions I'll just post a few links which you may feel you want to take a look at. Hope you dont regard it all as 'information overload' , just trying to be helpful :)

http://rabbitwelfare.co.uk/pdfs/ROWinter10p7.pdf

http://www.medirabbit.com/EN/GI_diseases/drop/Drp_en.htm

http://rabbit.org/disorders-of-the-cecum/

http://www.veterinaryirelandjournal.com/images/sa_mar_2015.pdf

http://wildpro.twycrosszoo.org/S/00dis/Miscellaneous/Caecal_Impaction.htm

http://www.ivis.org/proceedings/wsava/2008/lecture10/70.pdf?LA=1

Hopefully Jimmy is still doing well this morning :D
Honestly any information is good for me, there is quite a few of the uneaten poops when we have one of these episodes could that cause him to not eat his poops or make him have more than he should. I thought it was Norah that wasn't eaten hers but now you mention it I Think it is Jimmy, because it does tally In with his episodes. I will read all the info later. He has a cup full of pellets in the morning, hay available all day, herbs (dill, coriander , basil, parsley) a little curly kale and broccoli dinner time, A quarter of an oaticake which some nice lady makes on facebook made with pellets and forage , about 4 of the Burgess apple peices. I do worry I overfeed him herbs though. That is basically his diet. Thank you

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Honestly any information is good for me, there is quite a few of the uneaten poops when we have one of these episodes could that cause him to not eat his poops or make him have more than he should. I thought it was Norah that wasn't eaten hers but now you mention it I Think it is Jimmy, because it does tally In with his episodes. I will read all the info later. He has a cup full of pellets in the morning, hay available all day, herbs (dill, coriander , basil, parsley) a little curly kale and broccoli dinner time, A quarter of an oaticake which some nice lady makes on facebook made with pellets and forage , about 4 of the Burgess apple peices. I do worry I overfeed him herbs though. That is basically his diet. Thank you

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Oh and he chews alot of them tubes made out of willow I have to buy one a week which I am going to stop doing as it costs a fortune. Anything you can recommend for him chewing

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Oh and he chews alot of them tubes made out of willow I have to buy one a week which I am going to stop doing as it costs a fortune. Anything you can recommend for him chewing

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Apple tree twigs if you know of anyone who has an apple tree in their garden.

Re his diet, the herbs are the least likely things to cause problems. Personally I'd cut back/cut out all the 'treat' type foods and go back to basics. Hay, hay and more hay ( a variety of types)

https://www.thehayexperts.co.uk/edibles/hay-grasses.html

a minimal amount of pellets, no more than an eggcupful a day and maybe cut out the brassica type veg for now as that can cause some Rabbits to have a gassy tummy.

For future reference about diet :

http://www.therabbithouse.com/diet/

https://www.harcourt-brown.co.uk/ar...heets/recommended-diet-for-adult-rabbits/view

I'd better go and have my bath now, not that you need to know that ! :lol: Try to banish any mental image the thought has evoked, you dont want to be traumatised for the day !
 
Apple tree twigs if you know of anyone who has an apple tree in their garden.

Re his diet, the herbs are the least likely things to cause problems. Personally I'd cut back/cut out all the 'treat' type foods and go back to basics. Hay, hay and more hay ( a variety of types)

https://www.thehayexperts.co.uk/edibles/hay-grasses.html

a minimal amount of pellets, no more than an eggcupful a day and maybe cut out the brassica type veg for now as that can cause some Rabbits to have a gassy tummy.

For future reference about diet :

http://www.therabbithouse.com/diet/

https://www.harcourt-brown.co.uk/ar...heets/recommended-diet-for-adult-rabbits/view

I'd better go and have my bath now, not that you need to know that ! [emoji38] Try to banish any mental image the thought has evoked, you dont want to be traumatised for the day !
You made my day. Im laughing lol x

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I agree about apple twigs and leaves. There are lots of deciduous trees that are suitable for rabbits. They are free, good for rabbits tummies, provide enrichment and the rabbits find them delicious. Have a look at this website and get to know which trees are suitable http://kanin.org/node/190

I feed herbs in quite large quantities, but I grow my own. Bramble leaves are also a very good free food for rabbits' digestion.

In my opinion the closer you can get to a natural diet for rabbits means that their digestion benefits. My rabbits have no processed treats at all, apart from a few pellets and Fibafirst sticks.
 
I agree about apple twigs and leaves. There are lots of deciduous trees that are suitable for rabbits. They are free, good for rabbits tummies, provide enrichment and the rabbits find them delicious. Have a look at this website and get to know which trees are suitable http://kanin.org/node/190

I feed herbs in quite large quantities, but I grow my own. Bramble leaves are also a very good free food for rabbits' digestion.

In my opinion the closer you can get to a natural diet for rabbits means that their digestion benefits. My rabbits have no processed treats at all, apart from a few pellets and Fibafirst sticks.
I still have so much learn.i can get access to unlimited bramble leaves but I worry about the thorns, it did cross my mind at one point that he had actually hurt his mouth on them. I am surrounded by trees, not sure what they are though but at the minute there is fallen branches everywhere so it would be interesting to learn if they can have them.thank you everyone is always so helpful and nice on this forum..

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I still have so much learn.i can get access to unlimited bramble leaves but I worry about the thorns, it did cross my mind at one point that he had actually hurt his mouth on them. I am surrounded by trees, not sure what they are though but at the minute there is fallen branches everywhere so it would be interesting to learn if they can have them.thank you everyone is always so helpful and nice on this forum..

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A bit of retail therapy for you :D

https://shop.rabbitwelfare.co.uk/product/foraging-for-rabbits-by-twigs-way/
 
I still have so much learn.i can get access to unlimited bramble leaves but I worry about the thorns, it did cross my mind at one point that he had actually hurt his mouth on them. I am surrounded by trees, not sure what they are though but at the minute there is fallen branches everywhere so it would be interesting to learn if they can have them.thank you everyone is always so helpful and nice on this forum..

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As Omi has said, brambles are excellent feed :)

And as for hurting their mouths - it's weird thing but rabbits don't seem to have that problem. They seem to be terribly sensitive to a tooth spur, but thorns (rose thorns, brambles, even hawthorn!) they can manage without damaging their little mouths :)
 
Oh and he chews alot of them tubes made out of willow I have to buy one a week which I am going to stop doing as it costs a fortune. Anything you can recommend for him chewing

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As Omi mentioned - tree branches - apple, pear, hazel, willow ...

They can even eat tree leaves, once you've identified the right ones for them!

http://www.kanin.org/node/190

http://www.medirabbit.com/EN/GI_diseases/Food/Branch/Branch_en.htm


Here are a few of my favourite foraging links :wave:

https://www.harcourt-brown.co.uk/articles/free-food-for-rabbits

https://www.harcourt-brown.co.uk/articles/free-food-for-rabbits/foraging

http://www.therabbithouse.com/blog/2014/06/04/rabbit-safe-weeds/

http://www.therabbithouse.com/blog/2017/06/06/foraging-for-rabbits-5-more-weeds/

http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/showthread.php?303114-Plant-Images

http://www.actionforrabbits.co.uk/Plants toxic to rabbits.pdf

http://www.actionforrabbits.co.uk/Toxic & Safe Plants v2.pdf


And there's a very good book written by Twigs Way called 'Foraging for Rabbits' which can be purchased from the RWAF bookshop. I have met Twigs and been on a workshop with her - a wonderful inspirational woman!
 
I'm going to have a lovely afternoon with so much to read and learn. I would of been lost without this group I have learnt more from this group these last few months than I have from the internet, facebook and even the vets. Thsnks so much

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I'm going to have a lovely afternoon with so much to read and learn. I would of been lost without this group I have learnt more from this group these last few months than I have from the internet, facebook and even the vets. Thsnks so much

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You're welcome :) Have fun! :wave:
 
Perhaps it may be a good idea to review his diet. What do you feed him each day ?

From what you have described about his symptoms it sounds as though there might be some reduction in the motility of his cecum as well as the sharp tooth issue. Rather than me type various suggestions I'll just post a few links which you may feel you want to take a look at. Hope you dont regard it all as 'information overload' , just trying to be helpful :)

http://rabbitwelfare.co.uk/pdfs/ROWinter10p7.pdf

http://www.medirabbit.com/EN/GI_diseases/drop/Drp_en.htm

http://rabbit.org/disorders-of-the-cecum/

http://www.veterinaryirelandjournal.com/images/sa_mar_2015.pdf

http://wildpro.twycrosszoo.org/S/00dis/Miscellaneous/Caecal_Impaction.htm

http://www.ivis.org/proceedings/wsava/2008/lecture10/70.pdf?LA=1

Hopefully Jimmy is still doing well this morning. Could the improvement be because the Metacam is addressing pain/discomfort from the sharp tooth I wonder .................??
He is back to normal again so I have stopped the Metacam. I have a perfectly normal rabbit today. pooping loads, eating hay. Being naughty. I am not convinced it is the tooth problem, I do think something starts it off. I was convinced it was stress related but now I think a diet change could help. I am just giving him small pellets, hay and herbs that is all no treats at all. I am giving them both a papaya tablet a day is that OK or shall stop that too. It was originally to help there molt.

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