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    It's not the destruction I'm bothered about. I've had Fiver 10 years and it's something I accept. However, SF has been the one suddenly taking an interest (after 4 years) in the carpet and my mattress. I was just pointing out that my bedroom is really not my bedroom and more the bun room and that I've sacrificed a lot for them and it kinda feels like a kick in the teeth when they do something for no apparent reason other than to just wreck something for the sake of wrecking it. They have everything they could ever want but it's never enough.
    Fiver can't go outside. He has spondylitis and is on meds for it. He's 10 and has always lived with me in the house. It is not fair to put him outside now. I'm just really stressed atm and what I say on here might sound harsh but I'm just venting my frustration.

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    VB, could you give something like pet remedy a try?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegan_Bunny View Post
    I was just pointing out that my bedroom is really not my bedroom and more the bun room and that I've sacrificed a lot for them and it kinda feels like a kick in the teeth when they do something for no apparent reason other than to just wreck something for the sake of wrecking it. They have everything they could ever want but it's never enough.
    The thing is that they aren't doing this just to wind you up or because they want to hurt you, they're just being bunnies. Destruction pretty much follows in their wake, whatever attempts are made to control it - the best you can do is damage limitation. And with something like the weeing on the bed, I'd be almost certain (based on the patterns we've observed of Monty doing just this) that there was something specific that set it off - possibly putting up the bars. Monty seems to do it whenever he feels like he's lost control in some way (eg when we've picked him up to groom him) or when he doesn't like a new development (eg after the first time we handled Ossie and so smelt of another bunny). It's his way of communicating with us.

    They're not aiming this at you personally, they're just using their space as they want to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monty's Human View Post
    The thing is that they aren't doing this just to wind you up or because they want to hurt you, they're just being bunnies. Destruction pretty much follows in their wake, whatever attempts are made to control it - the best you can do is damage limitation. And with something like the weeing on the bed, I'd be almost certain (based on the patterns we've observed of Monty doing just this) that there was something specific that set it off - possibly putting up the bars. Monty seems to do it whenever he feels like he's lost control in some way (eg when we've picked him up to groom him) or when he doesn't like a new development (eg after the first time we handled Ossie and so smelt of another bunny). It's his way of communicating with us.

    They're not aiming this at you personally, they're just using their space as they want to.
    The weeing has been going on for months and months, I put the pen up to STOP that. Nothing seems to set it off. It doesn't happen every night. Maybe once a week, but has been getting worse. He poos all over my bed every day and every time he jumps on my bed. I don't know why he does it. Nothing has changed. Moving Xena out of the room has made no difference to it at all...in fact it stopped briefly so I thought it was her weeing on my bed. Turns out it's Fiver or Shadowfax.

    This morning I let Fiver have cuddles. I'm worried that he's lost weight. He was really good but he did do one poo and as soon as he finished licking me and whatnot I gently pushed him down and then didn't let him up again. He got the message pretty quick. SF jumped up but I pushed her straight off..she doesn't like being touched lol.

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    I used to get so distressed by my rabbits not behaving as I wanted to, be it making noise and waking me up, weeing on my bed, weeing on my laptop, chewing holes in my clothers, tearing up my carpet, or anything else. It just used to drive me to distraction.

    The only way I was able to survive, and eventually come to love living in their room with them was to lose my expectations of them. My wants for their behaviour were based on me, not what was realistic for a rabbit. I'd humanised them so much that I thought they were deliberately doing things to wind me up, or to wake me up, or whatever, and, they kind of were, but with a totally different motive than what I felt it was. I had to really work to get that they don't have the cognitive ability and human manner that I was placing onto them, and actually, they were just being bunnies.

    Once I got that, I then had the power to adapt my room so that they couldn't do all the things that were driving me crazy (or that they could still do them, but it didn't matter anymore). Knowing that ultimately I was responsible for the space empowered me, and removed all frustration from them. If something happens now, then that's my error (like when they chewed my iphone charger, or my bra strap off, or pulled stuff off my bookcase), but it doesn't make me cross. Now, like you, my room is their space, but the bits I need to protect and I need out their way, are out their way. Over the years I've had all kinds of barriers, all kinds of heights of barriers and types of barriers to block off one thing or anything (one of which was a 5 ft tall barrier, part puppy pen panel, part material, to stop my pogoing lop from vaulting the 4.5ft barrier), I cover my carpet with carpet squares and they can do whatever they want, they are not allowed on my bed, or near it. That's my sanctuary.

    I think, for me, it was important to accept them for who they were, and work with that, rather than changing them into who I wanted them to be.

    I have six in my room now and wouldn't have it any other way (although probably will have to soon).

    You do have my empathy, and I hope you manage to sort something out that works for all of you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky-O View Post
    I used to get so distressed by my rabbits not behaving as I wanted to, be it making noise and waking me up, weeing on my bed, weeing on my laptop, chewing holes in my clothers, tearing up my carpet, or anything else. It just used to drive me to distraction.

    The only way I was able to survive, and eventually come to love living in their room with them was to lose my expectations of them. My wants for their behaviour were based on me, not what was realistic for a rabbit. I'd humanised them so much that I thought they were deliberately doing things to wind me up, or to wake me up, or whatever, and, they kind of were, but with a totally different motive than what I felt it was. I had to really work to get that they don't have the cognitive ability and human manner that I was placing onto them, and actually, they were just being bunnies.

    Once I got that, I then had the power to adapt my room so that they couldn't do all the things that were driving me crazy (or that they could still do them, but it didn't matter anymore). Knowing that ultimately I was responsible for the space empowered me, and removed all frustration from them. If something happens now, then that's my error (like when they chewed my iphone charger, or my bra strap off, or pulled stuff off my bookcase), but it doesn't make me cross. Now, like you, my room is their space, but the bits I need to protect and I need out their way, are out their way. Over the years I've had all kinds of barriers, all kinds of heights of barriers and types of barriers to block off one thing or anything (one of which was a 5 ft tall barrier, part puppy pen panel, part material, to stop my pogoing lop from vaulting the 4.5ft barrier), I cover my carpet with carpet squares and they can do whatever they want, they are not allowed on my bed, or near it. That's my sanctuary.

    I think, for me, it was important to accept them for who they were, and work with that, rather than changing them into who I wanted them to be.

    I have six in my room now and wouldn't have it any other way (although probably will have to soon).

    You do have my empathy, and I hope you manage to sort something out that works for all of you.

    Wow, a great post

    Losing expectations is a great rule for life and human beings too.
    Makes for a much smoother passage all round

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    Quote Originally Posted by MightyMax View Post
    Wow, a great post

    Losing expectations is a great rule for life and human beings too.
    Makes for a much smoother passage all round
    To be fair, I still have expectations of them, but it's inline with who they are. So I expect them to chew things, wee places, and generally trash my room, but at least we're all on the same page now
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    Sky-O. Your post is right. Tbh I have lost my expectations of them. I used to get so infuriated with Fiver's behaviour and I do sometimes get totally ****** off with him but now it's more just a feeling of defeat.
    Fiver started out in a cage and run, fitted down the side of my bed. This was temporary and he hated it and bar bit constantly. So I then built him a cage into my room...which was not big enough as it was 6ft tall with 3 levels being just 3x3ft. He had access to the whole thing but I had not realised floor space was more important. He bar bit and ate my walls..rightly so imo. So I used to let him freerange during the day but blocked off under my bed with various storage boxes. He decided under the bed was the best place and completely wrecked the storage boxes and everything in them. So I let him have under the bed and had him freerange 24/7. He used to sit at the cage and bar bite for hours. So I ripped out the cage. He then decided to squeeze under my drawers and bedside table to rip up the carpet. So I ripped out the carpet and blocked off the gaps. I'm just saying this because I'm not being annoyed for him being a rabbit. Everyone I have spoken to have never encountered such a destructive rabbit as him. He's chewed my door, the mats I put down to protect his feet, my bed, my furniture, my walls (which I have now stuck laminate flooring to) my curtains (so I bought roller blinds) my bedding (which all have holes in and I don't care). Well, you get the point. He can do what he wants and has been absolutely fine, just the odd hiccup, which has usually been a mistake of mine. The only bits I want them to leave alone is my bed and my bedside table and the reason I'm so upset is because now he has everything...he's made it his life goal to get on my bedside table and my bed. As I'm sure you're all aware..if a rabbit wants to do something, they'll do it. So I've had to pen my bed off completely during the day.
    The bar biting seems to have finally stopped. I've had no poos in my bed from overnight for the past couple of days so I'm hoping that if I continue, eventually they'll break the habit of messing on my bed and jumping onto my bedside table.
    I know it sometimes sounds like I'm anthropimorphising them but Fiver is not like any rabbit I've ever met or ever will meet again. He's stupidly intelligent and as much as I might rant and rave about him, he's my soul bun and I've had him for 10 years this Sept. We have a very close bond and it really is upsetting me to have to block my bed off because he loves to jump onto my bed and then onto the windowsill and look out the window. I feel like I'm taking away a huge chunk of space and also enrichment from them both but I really can't allow them to ruin my mattress. I have no money and need to find over 300 for their vet bills and the last thing I need is to have to buy a new mattress.
    I was hoping to have them outside for most of the Summer because I was thinking Fiver was bored of my room but the weather has just been awful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky-O View Post
    To be fair, I still have expectations of them, but it's inline with who they are. So I expect them to chew things, wee places, and generally trash my room, but at least we're all on the same page now


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    That level of destruction does sound so hard to live with. Whilst I agree that rabbits will be rabbits, some seem intent on causing carnage, no matter what you do!

    We have 9 buns and only 1 is like this. She lived inside initially and no matter what we did she was intent on destroying things, including the carpet. We've since bonded her and moved them both outside. She's still feisty and destructive, but she can now do it do her hearts content, lol. We now have one of our boys, Spud, living in the room, and he couldn't be more different. He doesn't chew anything and the only mess is a bit of hay.

    Have they always been inside (it sounds like they might have)? I think some buns are more suited to outdoor living, but I get that it's not always practical or possible.

    I think it's fair enough to feel frustrated by the situation, anyone would. I hope some solutions can be found and that the situation settles for you x

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