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    Quote Originally Posted by HannahB View Post
    Nope, he's been on gabapentin since March and the poo thing only started over the weekend. That said, I've been hiding his gabapentin inside a blueberry and the last couple of days he's been resistant to eating it which did make me wonder if the gabapentin in particulat was bothering him...

    Do you have experience of gabapentin in your buns? Not many vets seem to prescribe it so it's hard to find information about owners' experiences.
    Not in a Rabbit of mine, but I know of someone who's Rabbit was prescribed it but could not tolerate it as it caused lots of gut problems. That said, I also know of far more people who's Rabbits have been fine on it. As with all drugs, what is fine for the majority of Rabbits may upset one or two.

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    Hi Hannah

    I am at Trinity and Doughnut is under Mark's care. She has slow gut mobility and acid reflux so we have gone through so many medicines to find out what was wrong with her and how different ones helped her. She had gabapentin at one point as we didn't know it was acid reflux but all her gullet was ulcerated. She still sometimes rubbed her throat so Mark thought it may be the scar tissue hurting her. He said gabapentin is prescribed for people without limbs as they can still feel them and get itches and it helps with the pain. I found Doughnut to be very nervous on this and jumpy, but she didn't stay on it long and I can't tell you about the soft stools as she gets them all the time!

    She also went on Avipro plus. Mark said not to put it in her water though as it gets too diluted so I used to make a syringe up so I knew she got all of it.

    I know what you means about tests, Doughnut had so many at one point but I'm sure any of the vets at Trinity wouldn't put your little one through them if it wasn't in your bunnies best interest, so I would be guided by what they say. It's so good to have a great vets to go to. I had seen about 4 and 1 specialist who all told me Doughnut was well when I knew something was wrong and was in pain. I went to Mark as a last resort and he told me you have a very sick little bunny. I just cried, not because she was sick, I knew that but because he actually recognised it when no one else did!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HannahB View Post
    Nope, he's been on gabapentin since March and the poo thing only started over the weekend. That said, I've been hiding his gabapentin inside a blueberry and the last couple of days he's been resistant to eating it which did make me wonder if the gabapentin in particulat was bothering him...

    Do you have experience of gabapentin in your buns? Not many vets seem to prescribe it so it's hard to find information about owners' experiences.

    Re Gabapentin, Maria Kubiak exotics vet said this on the Forum:


    I use tramadol quite frequently in rabbits, guinea pigs and chinchillas with pain that is not controlled by non-steroidals like metacam, or where NSAIDs can't be used due to other health issues. It works well to control soft tissue pain, less well for bony pain and rarely causes sedation and I've had no adverse reactions. Doses required for pain relief in bunnies are much higher than in cats and dogs.
    Gabapentin I use only for nerve-damage related pain so far less frequently but has seemed to give some relief in a number of these cases.


    http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/sh...ght=gabapentin

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    Quote Originally Posted by MightyMax View Post


    My vet has consulted with Mark on a number of occasions, and I am in no doubt of the expertise of the Trinity Vet Practice

    Does Harry give up his blood easily? Sometimes it's very stressful for a rabbit to have a blood test, and it occasionally requires sedation. Perhaps Harry is OK with them? If that's the case, and they've been recommended, then I would go for it. Barring the stress factor for Harry, which you have to watch for.

    For my elderlies I add in a pinch of oats a couple of times a day. I've been told by someone that I shouldn't do this, as it's carbs and they are bad for bunnies, etc etc ... But several specialist vets have recommended what I do, and also Tamsin, our esteemed Forum creator And anyway, I have a great deal of experience so I don't worry about the odd deviant element

    You could also try a few sunflower seeds .. They are rich in vitamin E, which I find helpful as rabbits age. Just the kernels. His diet sounds pretty good to me.

    How is his weight? Is he keeping up?

    I began a thread recently about weight loss in rabbits (may not apply to Harry) and what the possible causes might be:

    http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/sh...it-weight-loss

    And yes, regarding probiotics - I certainly think it's worth giving it a go. As I say, options are divided amongst the rabbit vet world, just as they are over Iinfacol, but it can do no harm and therefore worth trying
    I always think opinions are divided as what works for one rabbit doesn't necessarily work for another. I think infracol is great. I've seen Doughnut with tummy ache, stomach pressing and in pain and given her infracol and 30 minutes later she's fine. Like you say a probiotic or infracol won't hurt at all so always worth trying

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    Quote Originally Posted by MightyMax View Post


    My vet has consulted with Mark on a number of occasions, and I am in no doubt of the expertise of the Trinity Vet Practice

    Does Harry give up his blood easily? Sometimes it's very stressful for a rabbit to have a blood test, and it occasionally requires sedation. Perhaps Harry is OK with them? If that's the case, and they've been recommended, then I would go for it. Barring the stress factor for Harry, which you have to watch for.

    For my elderlies I add in a pinch of oats a couple of times a day. I've been told by someone that I shouldn't do this, as it's carbs and they are bad for bunnies, etc etc ... But several specialist vets have recommended what I do, and also Tamsin, our esteemed Forum creator And anyway, I have a great deal of experience so I don't worry about the odd deviant element

    You could also try a few sunflower seeds .. They are rich in vitamin E, which I find helpful as rabbits age. Just the kernels. His diet sounds pretty good to me.

    How is his weight? Is he keeping up?

    I began a thread recently about weight loss in rabbits (may not apply to Harry) and what the possible causes might be:

    http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/sh...it-weight-loss

    And yes, regarding probiotics - I certainly think it's worth giving it a go. As I say, options are divided amongst the rabbit vet world, just as they are over Iinfacol, but it can do no harm and therefore worth trying
    Trinity are AMAZING. They seem to lead the field and be a bit more maverick than others with using certain drugs, which I like. I've spoken to them previously about the supplementary medicines such as oxbow and they definitely encourage it - I think the challenge is that there's little solid evidence to completely prove that they're helpful. But as you say, if it's not harming them then you may as well give it a go.

    I'd not heard about sunflower seeds before, I'll give that a go! We check his weight every couple of weeks when he has a laser therapy appointment and his weight is holding really well. He lost a load of weight when he was very poorly in March but it's all back on now and he's holding steady which is fab.

    I've had an older bun once before who reached 10, but he was much smaller and didn't really have any problems in his declining years. We lost Harry's partner last year, also aged around 8, and she was really slowing down, poor girl. But sadly I don't have *enough* experience in older buns to know what to put down to an old age slow-down, and what is something else entirely. Hopefully Trinity can shed some more light on it - or better still, Harry can just get back to normal!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpayne View Post
    I always think opinions are divided as what works for one rabbit doesn't necessarily work for another. I think infracol is great. I've seen Doughnut with tummy ache, stomach pressing and in pain and given her infracol and 30 minutes later she's fine. Like you say a probiotic or infracol won't hurt at all so always worth trying

    Exactly so Infacol works in 30 mins for my rabbits too.

    Be nice to have an armistice over Probiotics and Infacol and just accept that if they work, then why the hell not??

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    Quote Originally Posted by MightyMax View Post
    I found this particular article last night, which I was initially worried by but Harry doesn't seem to be showing any of the side effects that they mention. The first link was really interesting, especially as it was another arthritic bun, so thank you v v much for posting it. Interestingly, Harry really turned a corner once Gabapentin was thrown into the mix (after they got the dose right - he spent the first two days completely spaced out and dribbling everywhere!), so I'm loathe to give it up. I tried cosequin on my old girl who was also arthritic but could not for love nor money get it into her. Bunnies! Who'd have 'em?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HannahB View Post
    I found this particular article last night, which I was initially worried by but Harry doesn't seem to be showing any of the side effects that they mention. The first link was really interesting, especially as it was another arthritic bun, so thank you v v much for posting it. Interestingly, Harry really turned a corner once Gabapentin was thrown into the mix (after they got the dose right - he spent the first two days completely spaced out and dribbling everywhere!), so I'm loathe to give it up. I tried cosequin on my old girl who was also arthritic but could not for love nor money get it into her. Bunnies! Who'd have 'em?!

    You're welcome

    I didn't know whether to post that article on the side effects, so I'm glad you've already seen it

    It's certainly a lifetime's learning keeping bunnies, isn't it?

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    Especially when you have an ill bunny, you have to learn lots very quickly!

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