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    As the thread title suggests, I need your opinion about Harry's squidgy poos!

    Earlier this year my old chap was diagnosed with chronic arthritis and went through a right old episode while we got that under control. He's currently on metacam, tramadol and gabapentin twice a day with laser therapy every couple of weeks. He's been bouncy and bright in himself, binkying around and having a lovely time of life.

    The last few days, his appetite has been down very slightly and he's produced some absolutely noxious smelling, squidgy poos. I suppose they look a bit like caecs. He is producing formed ones too, but the squidgy ones aren't great. He's also had *quite* the temper on him, but I've put that down to his moult which always puts him in a really foul mood. He's still active, but grumpy, which makes me worry in case there's something going on. There've been no dietry or lifestyle changes that I can put it down to and his meds have been established for probably 3 months now so nothing new there either. I'm awaiting a call back from my vet but wondered if anyone had any thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HannahB View Post
    As the thread title suggests, I need your opinion about Harry's squidgy poos!

    Earlier this year my old chap was diagnosed with chronic arthritis and went through a right old episode while we got that under control. He's currently on metacam, tramadol and gabapentin twice a day with laser therapy every couple of weeks. He's been bouncy and bright in himself, binkying around and having a lovely time of life.

    The last few days, his appetite has been down very slightly and he's produced some absolutely noxious smelling, squidgy poos. I suppose they look a bit like caecs. He is producing formed ones too, but the squidgy ones aren't great. He's also had *quite* the temper on him, but I've put that down to his moult which always puts him in a really foul mood. He's still active, but grumpy, which makes me worry in case there's something going on. There've been no dietry or lifestyle changes that I can put it down to and his meds have been established for probably 3 months now so nothing new there either. I'm awaiting a call back from my vet but wondered if anyone had any thoughts?
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    Has he had regular blood tests given the combination of analgesic medication he is on ?

    Have you noticed any reduction in his hay intake ?

    Has he ever had any Dental problems ?

    I see you are in Kent, if you use Trinity Vets I am sure that they will give you excellent expert advice

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    Quote Originally Posted by HannahB View Post
    As the thread title suggests, I need your opinion about Harry's squidgy poos!

    Earlier this year my old chap was diagnosed with chronic arthritis and went through a right old episode while we got that under control. He's currently on metacam, tramadol and gabapentin twice a day with laser therapy every couple of weeks. He's been bouncy and bright in himself, binkying around and having a lovely time of life.

    The last few days, his appetite has been down very slightly and he's produced some absolutely noxious smelling, squidgy poos. I suppose they look a bit like caecs. He is producing formed ones too, but the squidgy ones aren't great. He's also had *quite* the temper on him, but I've put that down to his moult which always puts him in a really foul mood. He's still active, but grumpy, which makes me worry in case there's something going on. There've been no dietry or lifestyle changes that I can put it down to and his meds have been established for probably 3 months now so nothing new there either. I'm awaiting a call back from my vet but wondered if anyone had any thoughts?

    Hi Hannah

    I know Harry has had a couple of blood tests already, and if the've checked that everything's working OK, I am wondering if it's to do with his food? I find that as rabbits get older they don't process it so easily, and quite a few soft poos can be found around the place.

    You could try adding a probiotic such as Avipro or Bio Lapis to his food? (I prefer not to add things to water, as they don't always get drunk!). There's no guarantee it will work, as some rabbit specialists suggest a rabbit's stomach acid is too high for it to be any good.

    However, I know Mark of Trinity vets would approve of Avipro so you'll be in good company

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    Hello! I'm a Trinity regular Currently waiting on a call from Richard.

    His hay consumption had been down a tad but he's doing really well on it again now. No history of dental issues so don't think it's that.

    He hasn't had a blood test in the last two months but had several while they were trying to diagnose and get his meds right (he also had a lung infection so bloods helped check that that was clear too), and all showed excellent organ function.

    I had made a bit of a pact with myself that I wasn't going to go looking for trouble all of the time that he seemed happy, but now I'm not sure. The grumpiness could be down to his advancing age and moult - he really really hates moulting - but the stinking poos is niggling me.

    Sadly I think the reality is that Harry won't make terribly old bones. He's nearly 8 now but is a giant breed so obviously that's getting on a bit for a big boy. I can't tell you how much we've been through this year. He pretty much lived at Hotel Trinity throughout March - I think he only spend about 3 days of the whole month at home - and I'm worried about putting him through more bloods etc etc and the stress that that''ll cause him. I hope you know what I mean when I say that I'm worried of looking for problems. Harry has been given so much this year to keep him happy and healthy so it's not that I'm unwilling to pay for care but more that I worry about the ethics of putting him through diagnosis and then goodness knows what else given his advanced years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MightyMax View Post
    Hi Hannah

    I know Harry has had a couple of blood tests already, and if the've checked that everything's working OK, I am wondering if it's to do with his food? I find that as rabbits get older they don't process it so easily, and quite a few soft poos can be found around the place.

    You could try adding a probiotic such as Avipro or Bio Lapis to his food? (I prefer not to add things to water, as they don't always get drunk!). There's no guarantee it will work, as some rabbit specialists suggest a rabbit's stomach acid is too high for it to be any good.

    However, I know Mark of Trinity vets would approve of Avipro so you'll be in good company
    Hello lovely

    Your reply came in while I was typing the one above. Are you a Trinity go-er too? All the best people are! I had wondered about probiotics. Julian at Trinity mentioned a couple of months back that periodic blood tests might be a good idea to check for organ function. I don't know - I don't want to be jumping to all sorts of conclusions when it could just be age/ a bit of crunkiness due to his arthritis.

    Since his long stay at Trinity in the Spring, his eating habits have been really quite different and he tends to graze now rather than clear all of his veggies within 30 seconds of being given them.

    Do you have any thoughts on diet for ageing buns? I've been feeding him the same as always (except for substituting pellets for cereal!); loads of hay, herbs, kale, spinach, broccoli, cabbage, sprouts - he normally has a combination of 4 or 5 different veggies with every meal plus extra herbs as a treat in the evenings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HannahB View Post
    Hello! I'm a Trinity regular Currently waiting on a call from Richard.

    His hay consumption had been down a tad but he's doing really well on it again now. No history of dental issues so don't think it's that.

    He hasn't had a blood test in the last two months but had several while they were trying to diagnose and get his meds right (he also had a lung infection so bloods helped check that that was clear too), and all showed excellent organ function.

    I had made a bit of a pact with myself that I wasn't going to go looking for trouble all of the time that he seemed happy, but now I'm not sure. The grumpiness could be down to his advancing age and moult - he really really hates moulting - but the stinking poos is niggling me.

    Sadly I think the reality is that Harry won't make terribly old bones. He's nearly 8 now but is a giant breed so obviously that's getting on a bit for a big boy. I can't tell you how much we've been through this year. He pretty much lived at Hotel Trinity throughout March - I think he only spend about 3 days of the whole month at home - and I'm worried about putting him through more bloods etc etc and the stress that that''ll cause him. I hope you know what I mean when I say that I'm worried of looking for problems. Harry has been given so much this year to keep him happy and healthy so it's not that I'm unwilling to pay for care but more that I worry about the ethics of putting him through diagnosis and then goodness knows what else given his advanced years.
    I 100% understand. I am a great believer in doing what is right for the individual Rabbit even if that means not doing certain diagnostics. Dont let anyone make you feel bad about your choices. Harry is your Rabbit and you know him better than anyone. You are also in the care of some superb Vets, Harry could not be in better hands.

    How long has he been on the muesli mix and which one are you feeding him ? I ask as soft poo can be an issue for some Rabbits fed muesli, but I know that you are feeding it as opposed to pellets for a very good reason. Dont worry, I have had to do the same for a few of my Rabbits, despite encountering the wrath of some

    I have also had a lot of success using Avipro Plus for one of my Rabbits who has a chronic gut problem. Again I was criticised for that by a few rather verbose people But as it was Mark (Rowland) at Trinity who advised me to use it I prefered to take his qualified advice over that of anyone else.

    http://www.vetuk.co.uk/dog-supplemen...ro-plus-p-1225

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack's-Jane View Post
    I 100% understand. I am a great believer in doing what is right for the individual Rabbit even if that means not doing certain diagnostics. Dont let anyone make you feel bad about your choices. Harry is your Rabbit and you know him better than anyone. You are also in the care of some superb Vets, Harry could not be in better hands.

    How long has he been on the muesli mix and which one are you feeding him ? I ask as soft poo can be an issue for some Rabbits fed muesli, but I know that you are feeding it as opposed to pellets for a very good reason. Dont worry, I have had to do the same for a few of my Rabbits, despite encountering the wrath of some

    I have also had a lot of success using Avipro Plus for one of my Rabbits who has a chronic gut problem. Again I was criticised for that by a few rather verbose people But as it was Mark (Rowland) at Trinity who advised me to use it I prefered to take his qualified advice over that of anyone else.

    http://www.vetuk.co.uk/dog-supplemen...ro-plus-p-1225
    That's really interesting as Julian at Trinity had recommended that supplement for my other bun, Molly, who has all sorts of chronic problems linked to pasteurella. I'll definitely give it a go if it'll help both of them.

    Harry's been on the mix probably since late March/ April. It's really not ideal but he still completely refuses pellets! But he'll take his oxbow joint supplement and fenugreek treats which are harder and crunchier than pellets which makes no flippin' sense.

    I guess I'm most worried that the combination of meds might be causing trouble, but we're a bit stuck there. We'd been trying to wean him off of the tramadol but found he was struggling without it. And I'd rather have him here for a shorter time if he's feeling realy well, than string things out with him sailing at half mast and feeling poorly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HannahB View Post
    That's really interesting as Julian at Trinity had recommended that supplement for my other bun, Molly, who has all sorts of chronic problems linked to pasteurella. I'll definitely give it a go if it'll help both of them.

    Harry's been on the mix probably since late March/ April. It's really not ideal but he still completely refuses pellets! But he'll take his oxbow joint supplement and fenugreek treats which are harder and crunchier than pellets which makes no flippin' sense.

    I guess I'm most worried that the combination of meds might be causing trouble, but we're a bit stuck there. We'd been trying to wean him off of the tramadol but found he was struggling without it. And I'd rather have him here for a shorter time if he's feeling realy well, than string things out with him sailing at half mast and feeling poorly.
    The soft poo didn't coincide with starting Gabapentin did it ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack's-Jane View Post
    The soft poo didn't coincide with starting Gabapentin did it ?
    Nope, he's been on gabapentin since March and the poo thing only started over the weekend. That said, I've been hiding his gabapentin inside a blueberry and the last couple of days he's been resistant to eating it which did make me wonder if the gabapentin in particulat was bothering him...

    Do you have experience of gabapentin in your buns? Not many vets seem to prescribe it so it's hard to find information about owners' experiences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HannahB View Post
    Hello lovely

    Your reply came in while I was typing the one above. Are you a Trinity go-er too? All the best people are! I had wondered about probiotics. Julian at Trinity mentioned a couple of months back that periodic blood tests might be a good idea to check for organ function. I don't know - I don't want to be jumping to all sorts of conclusions when it could just be age/ a bit of crunkiness due to his arthritis.

    Since his long stay at Trinity in the Spring, his eating habits have been really quite different and he tends to graze now rather than clear all of his veggies within 30 seconds of being given them.

    Do you have any thoughts on diet for ageing buns? I've been feeding him the same as always (except for substituting pellets for cereal!); loads of hay, herbs, kale, spinach, broccoli, cabbage, sprouts - he normally has a combination of 4 or 5 different veggies with every meal plus extra herbs as a treat in the evenings.


    My vet has consulted with Mark on a number of occasions, and I am in no doubt of the expertise of the Trinity Vet Practice

    Does Harry give up his blood easily? Sometimes it's very stressful for a rabbit to have a blood test, and it occasionally requires sedation. Perhaps Harry is OK with them? If that's the case, and they've been recommended, then I would go for it. Barring the stress factor for Harry, which you have to watch for.

    For my elderlies I add in a pinch of oats a couple of times a day. I've been told by someone that I shouldn't do this, as it's carbs and they are bad for bunnies, etc etc ... But several specialist vets have recommended what I do, and also Tamsin, our esteemed Forum creator And anyway, I have a great deal of experience so I don't worry about the odd deviant element

    You could also try a few sunflower seeds .. They are rich in vitamin E, which I find helpful as rabbits age. Just the kernels. His diet sounds pretty good to me.

    How is his weight? Is he keeping up?

    I began a thread recently about weight loss in rabbits (may not apply to Harry) and what the possible causes might be:

    http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/sh...it-weight-loss

    And yes, regarding probiotics - I certainly think it's worth giving it a go. As I say, options are divided amongst the rabbit vet world, just as they are over Iinfacol, but it can do no harm and therefore worth trying
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