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    Default Hello - Week 2 of Stasis (Long read sorry)

    Good morning,

    I hope you're all well.

    My name is Rich and I have a 7 year old Netherland Dwarf called Siddi / Sid. He's @Sidditherabbit on twitter for updates on his recent progress & flickr for pictures of him that I don't want to ever lose.

    https://twitter.com/sidditherabbit / https://www.flickr.com/photos/150482612@N02/with/34630587986/

    On the 1st May at 6am, I got up to take him over to get his food, when I found him under my bed, he came charging out but basically as if he was on 3 wheels, and when he ran you could see he was in severe discomfort. We put him in his cage for 20 minutes, he ate a bit and pooped but we decided to take him to the vets for fear of a broken leg. He had Xray's on his spine and hindleg which showed no break, so we were naturally relieved! Unfortunately, Siddi was not eating / pooping and so stayed in the vets until the Wednesday night (3rd), where he had started to appear brighter and eating, BUT he had not pooped. The vets thought by bringing home he would calm down as it's a noisy 24 hour vets and that he would be more comfortable at home. Unfortnately, Siddi suffered a severe seizure at 5am on the 5th May. As I've been sleeping next to his cage I managed to secure him in a blanket to stop him injuring himself anyworse, he was bouncing all over the place and it was one of the most horrible things I've seen. When he started to slow down I thought I was going to lose him, but in auto pilot I threw his bed into the travel box and got him in there and to the 24 hour vets within 20 minutes.

    Since then, Sid has made a gradual recovery. You can barely notice he has a sore leg now. He left the vets having been CC fed with meds along with picking the odd veggy and hay while doing poops at about 1/3 his normal size. His personality really started to return and I was seeing him in the vets and got him back late night on the 10th. He has produced some good sized Cecotropes but not fecal pellets atm.

    Since he's been home, we have managed to get him eating hay, pellets and dandelion leaves 1/2 times a day along with Critical Care 3-4 times a day (4-5ML).

    It's the 15th today and while he's showed improvement in personality and wanting to explore a lot more at times of the day, he is still struggling in some elements.

    His poops have not got any bigger

    He has parts of the day where you can hear his tummy is quite loud with gas, I have a stethoscope to listen to his gut, it is going fine but some days it is loud enough to hear with out it. At this time, you can tell the poor guy is in pain and is grinding his teeth throughout the day and trying to lay down without putting weight on his belly or digging it into the floor. Eventually, he will get bored of it, yawn and start to roam, which I think means the heaviest of it is passing.

    We think he is starting to get too skinny, I don't know what to do here, his belly is ok but there's really not a lot of fat left on him elsewhere, one of the pics on flickr you can really see that. He is also wobbly at times, sometimes on his hind legs he will lose balance and wobble over and shake slightly. I think the seizure took a lot out of him, not sure about his eyes yet, they're pretty clear but monitoring to make sure they don't go cloudy.

    We have the vets house visiting in the week a few times to help with food & meds when there's only one at home, we are having to bunny burrito him as he's very very head strong and doesn't like it, once he gets going though hes fine.

    His meds are: Metacam (0.5l one per day), Metoclopramide (1.0ml per 8 hours) , Baytril (1ml per day), Panacur (pea sized drop one per day), Zantac (0.5ml twice a day). ---- The panacur is to make sure he hasn't contracted e cuniculi which was given as a differential diagnosis.

    Does anyone know how long it can take for his poops to pick up? He on Saturday, had a few that were of normalish size but not a consistent shape. I am really really worried about him, he has been my life for 7 years and because of his fit, I have slept only a few hours a day at the moment due worrying. I just want him to get better, I feel so guilty taking him to the vet in the first instance, because perhaps if we had waited and treated his leg from home, he may have continued to eat. He is a gorgeous little bun and I just want to know if theres anything else I can do to help him.

    His meds are due to run out on Thursday as we has a week course for most of them, what will happen then? I've gone to boots to get infacol today just in case his gas gets so bad, we might be able to assist him with that. The vet didn't recommend it though so I'm sat in limbo. Also, they felt it was stasis and not a blockage, I've given him so many tummy massages I'm inclined to agree but can blockage cause these symptoms as well? Would he be able to poop though??

    Thank you so much for sticking with the post, I wish you all the best.

    Rich
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    I am sorry that Siddi is unwell.

    If I have understood the situation correctly, your vet is considering a diagnosis of EC and is treating that possibility with the Panacur and Metacam. Panacur should be given for 28 days btw for EC. The Baytril has been presumably prescribed in case the problem is one caused by infection (e.g. of the ear). Either EC or an ear infection could account for the unsteadiness. The other problem at the moment is Stasis with reduced eating by himself and smaller poo. I presume Siddi is a single rabbit?

    As far as the unwillingness to eat is concerned, I would persist with lots of different options of food to try and tempt him. Rabbits in this situation normally prefer fresh foods instead of things like hay and pellets. I would gather lots of forage, including the Dandelions that he has been having and would include things like Bramble leaves, Plantain, fresh hand-cut grass. He might also be tempted by Hawthorn, Hazel, Apple and/or Willow leaves/twigs. Strongly-flavoured herbs are also sometimes successful such as Coriander and Parsley. It does take quite a while sometimes for the poo to return to normal and the more bulk you can get him to eat will help this and the increased fibre will get his digestive system back to normal.

    Hopefully by the time you return to the vets on Thursday his eating and poos will have improved and you can discuss with the vet what the next steps should be. Getting his gut working properly would seem to be the important thing at the moment.

    Sending vibes for Siddi.

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    Hi Omi,

    Nice to meet you!

    That's correct. I think with the stress of the vets given he was a full ft away from dogs and cats has done him no good either, whenever I got to see him at the vets, we would go to a private consultation room and it would take him 30 minutes to relax. He is far calmer at home now.

    He was not presenting unsteadiness before his seizure, I've only ever noticed it post seizure. Its' not horrible, he can balance himself the majority of the time, but sometimes in certain postures he doesn't seem entirely stable/still, just.. slightly wobbly.

    Ok, Dandelions we can do - it's spring here and that sounds a good idea. Is there anything in that list we should avoid as to not give him gas? I can get hold of Coriander and Parsley too. We managed to get him some willow twigs yesterday but he hasn't really had a go at them, I will see what I can get from the pet store on the way home tonight. Thankfully, as I'm trying to get a mortgage at the moment, I'm back with my parents, so he at least has constant monitoring.

    I think there is a blackberry bramble tree nearby, are the leaves from there ok?

    The visit from the vet on Thursday will be a house visit, to try to reduce the stress on him, agreed about his gut. Thank you for the post.

    All the best.

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    I don't think any of the fresh foods suggested would cause problem with gas. They are usually very well tolerated. The fresh Bramble leaves would be excellent. They are extremely good for a rabbit's digestion. Regarding the Willow and any of the other twigs, I would try, if you can, to find some with fresh leaves. Perhaps your parents have something you could have in their garden?

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    Excellent, we will give it a go. Thank you.

    Siddi is a single rabbit, we have tried to bond him with two buns and both time even in neutral terrority he's been too aggressive over a sustained period of time while trying to get them to bond. I would love for him to have a companion and certainly when we finally get a house and he's ok, we can explore it.

    All the best

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    hi!

    sorry to hear your little one is unwell

    small poops is always concerning as you know. ever since Snoopy went downhill, for a good two months he was having tiny pea sized poops. however I have noticed, when buns are stressed they seem to have smaller poops too (anybody - feel free to correct me if im wrong!). since Luna lost her friend, she has been quite sad and stressed resulting in smaller darker poops. i'm hoping with time they go back to normal as I had just managed to get good golden ones!

    I am wondering, what is he given for feed? possibly some rabbits have something that upsets their tummy. whether its the pellet or veggies/treats they are given. Snoopy seemed to have that if he had dandelions or too much pellet. so of course we changed his diet around.
    also, did he have his teeth checked? possibly wondering if he has pain in his mouth resulting in a slowdown of eating possibly causing gas? I would want to have those looked at anyhow if he isn't eating as normal as spurs can cause many many issues.

    as for the infacol, i would be inclined to give him a drop every day. maybe 1ml every day? that should keep gas at bay hopefully and then not cause any pain. prevention is better than curing. and as for the vet not recommending it, don't worry. its safe for buns. my vet said to me she used it for her buns and will sometimes tell others to use it. Snoopy had plenty of gripe water and would bounce back. I ended up giving him it every day to try and stop stasis from happening (I needed sleep!)

    i hope you can solve your little ones issues. its always such a worry *hugs*

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    Hi, Nice to meet you!

    I think poor Siddi was extremely stressed at the vets and by the car journeys to and from (20 minutes on Motorway) the 24 hour vet.

    He has calmed down but he is often grinding his teeth in pain at the moment. His teeth were examined the day before he came out the vets and all was fine. I have got them to check again today on the home visit, so far the fronts are fine, they're going to come back later today to check the back.

    His feed is normally 2 spoons of Pellets in the morning (7am) and then 2 spoons at 11pm. He has free roam of veggies (Carrot tops which he loves, Broccoli, Cali-flower leaves, sometimes the odd carrot slice, watercress, some others. NEVER lettuce. from 6pm left in his bowl when I'm back from work and his cage is replaced daily with fresh hay.

    I've been giving him belly rubs constantly since he's been back, he really grinds his teeth in a purring way when I do this as if it's helping him.

    I got some infacol from boots earlier today but I'm still not sure about it, if I see him really struggling to put his belly down or I can hear really loud gas coming from his belly, I guess that is as good as time to give him them as ever?

    I read somewhere that while obviously they can't be sick, they can't burp either so it might not help him??

    His poops day by day have made a little bit of progress but they look rather dry, he had a few on Saturday night that were larger, albeit not consistent. Like you said, it can really take time. It's just the worry and stress knowing how quickly they can tell.

    Thank you for the hug, all the best

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidditherabbit View Post
    Hi, Nice to meet you!

    I think poor Siddi was extremely stressed at the vets and by the car journeys to and from (20 minutes on Motorway) the 24 hour vet.

    He has calmed down but he is often grinding his teeth in pain at the moment. His teeth were examined the day before he came out the vets and all was fine. I have got them to check again today on the home visit, so far the fronts are fine, they're going to come back later today to check the back.

    His feed is normally 2 spoons of Pellets in the morning (7am) and then 2 spoons at 11pm. He has free roam of veggies (Carrot tops which he loves, Broccoli, Cali-flower leaves, sometimes the odd carrot slice, watercress, some others. NEVER lettuce. from 6pm left in his bowl when I'm back from work and his cage is replaced daily with fresh hay.

    I've been giving him belly rubs constantly since he's been back, he really grinds his teeth in a purring way when I do this as if it's helping him.

    I got some infacol from boots earlier today but I'm still not sure about it, if I see him really struggling to put his belly down or I can hear really loud gas coming from his belly, I guess that is as good as time to give him them as ever?

    I read somewhere that while obviously they can't be sick, they can't burp either so it might not help him??

    His poops day by day have made a little bit of progress but they look rather dry, he had a few on Saturday night that were larger, albeit not consistent. Like you said, it can really take time. It's just the worry and stress knowing how quickly they can tell.

    Thank you for the hug, all the best
    Infacol may not actually do any good, but some Vets still recommend it's use. Even if it does not help it wont do any harm.

    Some of the Veg you are feeding can cause gas problems- all Veg from the brassica family in particular. Fresh herbs tend to be more gentle on the digestion, so perhaps you could try offering Siddi some of those instead of the Veg. Coriander is usually very popular. Fresh mint too.

    This link may be useful to take a look at :

    http://anyflip.com/dvpt/hzvv

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidditherabbit View Post

    I got some infacol from boots earlier today but I'm still not sure about it, if I see him really struggling to put his belly down or I can hear really loud gas coming from his belly, I guess that is as good as time to give him them as ever?

    Infacol is used by several forum members to help with gas issues. It will not interfere with any other medicine you are giving to Siddi. The dosage is 1ml per hour for three doses, and then three times daily.

    Another suggestion for you would be to rinse any fresh food in water and serve it wet. That way you will be getting some extra fluid into him, which is always beneficial with Stasis issues.

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    Noted. Thank you both!

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