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    I contacted the BRC about their code of conduct, here it is...

    1. I have been a Member of the BRC for more than 2 consecutive years.
    2. I am the breeder or owner of the rabbit(s)
    3. I breed for sale from no more than 4 breeds of rabbit
    4. I am satisfied that all rabbits for sale are in good health, showing no signs of infestation by fleas, lice or mites and have not been knowingly exposed to any contagious disease.
    5. All rabbits show no signs of contradiction to the accepted breed standard and any imperfections will be pointed out to the purchaser
    6. Should the rabbit have a ring, I will explain it's significance to the purchser and tell them how to check the ring.
    7. I will give the purchaser information on feeding their rabbit and explain that the rabbit should always have access to fresh water
    8. If I am unable to satisfy the requirements of a prospective buyer, I will always refer them back to The Breeders Directory and NOT pass them on to another breeder.
    9. I will only sell stock to children under 16 if accompanied by a written letter of authority from parents.

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    Hmmmmmmm........... could do with updating maybe........
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    That's only the requirements for someone who is advertising online, on their Breeders Directory. I haven't been a member of the BRC (this time round) for 2 years, so I wouldn't be permitted to advertise on there. Although, I was a member for about 8 consecutive years in the past.

    They have other codes of conduct relating to sales of rabbits, which apply to all members!

    I suggest you give them a call and ask them about other welfare issues - the phone number is on their website.... normal office hours. They are quite frendly and don't bite!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bunnyhuggger
    Hmmmmmmm........... could do with updating maybe........
    Hiya Lynda - what areas do you feel need updating, and how? I would be interested to hear your views. I read nothing wrong or outdated with that "charter" at all? Have I missed something?

    I also think that that is a requirement of being on the "Breeders Directory" only and is not a "breeders Charter". Happy to be corrected if I am wrong

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    Well............ number 9 concerns me a little, surely a letter from the parents isn't enough? If a 15 year old came to me with a letter from a parent, I certainly wouldn't accept it as proof of authority. Anyone could write a letter.

    But as I haven't seen the Breeders Directory, I'm not sure how this works. I'm presuming that these breeders only sell to other breeders? If not, then why, if the rabbit is wearing a ring, doesn't the breeder remove the ring as it serves no purpose on a pet.

    What system does the BRC have in place to ensure that a breeder does not pass the prospective buyer on to another breeder? And what happens if they do?

    Number 7 is a bit basic!

    Number 4 - I can assure you that not all rabbits coming from BRC members are healthy, but may be in THEIR opinion. A local member was recently investigated by the SPCA and closed down. Their rabbits were overweight and dirty, and kept in very unsatisfactory conditions.

    I also understand that the BRC cannot 'control' or 'monitor' all of the breeders, all of the time.

    Just my thoughts, of course.
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    You are quite right Bob - see my earlier post.

    At the moment with new animal welfare legislation being passed, most animal organisations which oversee breeding and showing are under scrutiny, or will be shortly, resulting in a general overhaul of welfare considerations.

    At present, the minimum age for rabbits to be shown is 8 weeks, but the BRC is currently debating whether to raise this to 12 weeks. There is no rule about supplying water to rabbits at shows - and very surprisingly, some exhibitors don't! The caring ones do, and here again, I'm certain this will be made a rule soon, to bring it into line with other fancies. In the meantime, those who cherish their rabbits (the majority) give them all due consideration.

    There are already BRC recommendations that rabbits are not to be sold under the age of two months... reputable breeders don't allow them to go to new homes under 10 weeks (8 weeks for Dutch who mature faster than other breeds).

    It is true that the rabbit world is a little behind some other animal organisations (water, litter trays and blankets must be given to cats at cat shows, for instance, and no sales are allowed directly from shows... these have been GCCF rules for a long time), but the BRC is reviewing its policies and there is every indication that it will be bringing in new rules shortly.

    As I said before, calling the BRC to discuss this cannot hurt... they are open to improvements and have a wish to be seen as pro-rabbit in general.

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    hi sue
    u cant show a rabbit under 12 weeks now well thats what iv been told and every one i talked to dont show them till 12 weeks which i think is right for most breeds but for dutch and tans that mature alot quicker could probs be show ealyer
    i dont sell my rabbits till about 10 weeks and rarely at 8 weeks
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    The 12 week rule isn't a rule yet, Bex, it is something that will be voted on shortly... BRC members with voting rights have already had ballot papers with the proposal on it for them to vote.

    I wouldn't show a Dutch at 8 weeks anyway, but I have shown one at 10 weeks... they are very fast-growing and early maturing... and as you probably know, the classes for young Dutch at shows are under 4 months instead of under 5 for all the other breeds.... I can definitely say the girls are more than ready for their first litter at about 5 months!

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    I agree with what Bunnyhugger has said.

    [quote="bunnyhuggger"]Well............ number 9 concerns me a little, surely a letter from the parents isn't enough? If a 15 year old came to me with a letter from a parent, I certainly wouldn't accept it as proof of authority. Anyone could write a letter. quote)

    Very true!

    I wonder how many children go and buy a pet without the parent's knowledge. They arrive home and the parent says your not having it its got to go??

    (quote Number 7 is a bit basic! quote)

    Surley this should be more indepth! Neutering, bonding, vaccinations, bedding, hutch size, exercise...to name a few thing's any new Rabbit owner need's to know before taking on a Rabbit.

    (quote Number 4 - I can assure you that not all rabbits coming from BRC members are healthy, but may be in THEIR opinion. A local member was recently investigated by the SPCA and closed down. Their rabbits were overweight and dirty, and kept in very unsatisfactory conditions. quote]

    I've seen my fair share of bad breeder's who claim to be in the BRC. Small hutche's, dirty bedding etc etc

    The Charter defintley need's updating and bringing into the year 2000.


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    Hiya lynda, and thanks for the reply.

    Quote Originally Posted by bunnyhuggger
    Well............ number 9 concerns me a little, surely a letter from the parents isn't enough? If a 15 year old came to me with a letter from a parent, I certainly wouldn't accept it as proof of authority. Anyone could write a letter.
    Totally agree! It is such a shame that that guidence is not available to everyone that sells rabbits. In the real world it is, like so many other things, very hard to police. But it is a starting point!

    I don't see these "basic" standards applied to non BRC members, to "back street" members, to pet shop breeders, to "Accidental" breeders.. the list goes on... In fact it is easier to have no standards and do what the heck you like and breed whatever you like than to stand up and be counted and to attempt to impose standards and rules!!

    Quote Originally Posted by bunnyhuggger
    But as I haven't seen the Breeders Directory, I'm not sure how this works. I'm presuming that these breeders only sell to other breeders? If not, then why, if the rabbit is wearing a ring, doesn't the breeder remove the ring as it serves no purpose on a pet.

    What system does the BRC have in place to ensure that a breeder does not pass the prospective buyer on to another breeder? And what happens if they do?
    The Breeders Directory is not there to sell from breeder to breeder. It is intended to allow members of the public to contact breeders of a certain breed in a certain area. I am not now a member of the BRC so you would need to contact the BRC for further information. when I was a member I never felt the need to join this directory but I supported it's publication.


    Quote Originally Posted by bunnyhuggger
    Number 7 is a bit basic!
    You are so right that this is so basic (I will give the purchaser information on feeding their rabbit and explain that the rabbit should always have access to fresh water), but so vital as well!! Can you imagine the critical comments if that were ommited? Most breeders spend some considerable time with potential pet owners prior to the purchase of any rabbit and that is probably the most education that that prospective pet owner will get in the life time of the pet!!!

    Basic, YES but essential!

    Quote Originally Posted by bunnyhuggger
    Number 4 - I can assure you that not all rabbits coming from BRC members are healthy, but may be in THEIR opinion. A local member was recently investigated by the SPCA and closed down. Their rabbits were overweight and dirty, and kept in very unsatisfactory conditions.
    I also understand that the BRC cannot 'control' or 'monitor' all of the
    Again, very true. If there were a "pet" or "back street breeder" or "rescue" council I could apply the exact same comments, and I have personally experienced many of those.


    Sadly they do not have ANY guidelines to work from. The BRC does, and spends some considerable time and money in updating those guidelines. Sadly, it then lays itself open to such critisism by setting such "basic" standards.

    I have also seen bad "BRC" breeders as well. Paying your subs does not mean that you are a good breeder or that you treat your rabbits kindly. it simply means that you have paid your subs!

    As you, yourself said. they cannot control or monitor rabbit welfare on an individual basis but hats off to them (BRC) for at least setting a basic if rudimentry standard even if it means that it sets them up for everyone else to have a pop at them. Now, if that same basic standard were enforced across the board then that would be a small but positive step in rabbit welfare!!

    Bob

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