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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack's-Jane View Post
    I am sorry to read this Did the Vet suggest a Liver biopsy to differentiate between a tumour and an abscess. The latter could be treatable with aggressive abx therapy. Or maybe giving abx anyway in the hope that it could be an abscess ? Not sure if any of your Rabbits have had Snuffles/Pasteurella ? Pasteurellosis in a colony can give rise to Liver abscesses. Maybe I am clutching at straws though xx
    She's far too thin to survive surgery (has lost 400g since August, when she had her rhd2 vaccination) for a biopsy and seemed quite sure it's not abscessation. I have a new sneezy bun (another vet saw Iris and said she has an allergy to something), who is seeing the same vet, tomorrow, but Selene's issue predates her arrival. Before then, I've had no pasturella buns. Thank you for trying to think up solutions. Tomorrow, I'm going to ask about metacam/emeprid treatment to keep her comfortable for the time she has left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tlcwrites View Post
    She's far too thin to survive surgery (has lost 400g since August, when she had her rhd2 vaccination) for a biopsy and seemed quite sure it's not abscessation. I have a new sneezy bun (another vet saw Iris and said she has an allergy to something), who is seeing the same vet, tomorrow, but Selene's issue predates her arrival. Before then, I've had no pasturella buns. Thank you for trying to think up solutions. Tomorrow, I'm going to ask about metacam/emeprid treatment to keep her comfortable for the time she has left.
    If she is not actually in pain then Metacam may not be a great idea as it is metabolised by the Liver and it's use is contraindicated if there is a compromised Liver function.

    http://wildpro.twycrosszoo.org/S/00C.../Meloxicam.htm

    Milk Thistle may be somewhat supportive of Liver function

    https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/...lk-thistle-pdq

    Maybe you could ask your Vet about giving it to Selene ?

    I have used this one

    https://www.baldwins.co.uk/natures-a...d-extract-30ml

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack's-Jane View Post
    If she is not actually in pain then Metacam may not be a great idea as it is metabolised by the Liver and it's use is contraindicated if there is a compromised Liver function.

    http://wildpro.twycrosszoo.org/S/00C.../Meloxicam.htm

    Milk Thistle may be somewhat supportive of Liver function

    https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/...lk-thistle-pdq

    Maybe you could ask your Vet about giving it to Selene ?

    I have used this one

    https://www.baldwins.co.uk/natures-a...d-extract-30ml
    Ah, can't say I'm surprised about metacam. I'll ask about milk thistle tomorrow. Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tlcwrites View Post
    She's far too thin to survive surgery (has lost 400g since August, when she had her rhd2 vaccination) for a biopsy and seemed quite sure it's not abscessation. I have a new sneezy bun (another vet saw Iris and said she has an allergy to something), who is seeing the same vet, tomorrow, but Selene's issue predates her arrival. Before then, I've had no pasturella buns. Thank you for trying to think up solutions. Tomorrow, I'm going to ask about metacam/emeprid treatment to keep her comfortable for the time she has left.
    I think you're right to think about palliative options. Quality of life (in my view) far outweighs prolonging a sad existence and for that reason I believe having pain relief to be essential. I have had a rabbit with liver tumours, and I gave Metacam for pain and it certainly meant that he ate for England right up until the day he decided to leave!

    I also put him on Milk Thistle but sadly that didn't help him. Hopefully you can find some solution you feel happy with

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlcwrites View Post
    Ah, can't say I'm surprised about metacam. I'll ask about milk thistle tomorrow. Thanks!
    That's OK. I hope that she can remain as comfortable as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlcwrites View Post
    Ah, can't say I'm surprised about metacam. I'll ask about milk thistle tomorrow. Thanks!
    Good luck at the vets xx

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    Se's a little brighter this evening. I think having her and Elphie Flump inside for the winter is definitely the best idea for them, even though it has meant splitting up the quad. She and Elphie (my underweight nearly-7-year-old Lop) can now benefit from unlimited food and some alfalfa hay without the fear of overfeeding Morning and Helios. I hope those 2 won't miss the girls too much, but I can at least draw comfort from the fact they have each other.


    Hopefully Selene'll stay brighter for a good while, but I do know it is literally taking each day as it comes.
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    I saw Sacha (vet) today. 4 more of my girls (Iris/Arce/Athena/River) have now had their RVHD2 vaccine done. Feels good to have vaccinated them all now. Anyhow, I brought up Selene as intended. Sacha agrees that although metacam functionality is affected by the liver, as we're in palliative care stages for Se, it's more important to keep her pain free and use the metacam. I also queried about the milk thistle and she said that although the evidence is sketchy at best, it can't hurt to try at this stage.
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    Tortoise: Aurora
    Guinea Pigs: Delta & Epsilon (Epsie)
    Gone, but not forgotten: Nessarose, Archimedes, Lelantos, Galinda, Bee, Takumi, Apollo, Iris

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